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RE: MFB Tiers list - lord Wolfblade - Mar. 07, 2011
here http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Stamina-Track-Tesing-145-vs-DF145-vs-AD145-vs-85?highlight=DF145
RE: MFB Tiers list - Ultra - Mar. 07, 2011
Generally AD145 is better than both and 145 is pretty much equal or only slightly better than DF145 so I think it should be moved down. I know those tests don't show that they're equal but even so both are outclassed by the other tracks in tier 1.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Dan - Mar. 07, 2011
I can assure you right now that LRF should be at the number 1 spot, along side R2F. For left-spinners that is. (Which apparently is 75% of our attack beys now.)
RE: MFB Tiers list - Hov - Mar. 07, 2011
-Cough- I think its time you put Basalt into the stamina and defense tier. Actually make it both tier 1. I am, trying to look for the Basalt testing thread to show you proof, seems like I can't fine it >=T
RE: MFB Tiers list - lord Wolfblade - Mar. 07, 2011
(Mar. 07, 2011 4:03 AM)®otation Wrote: -Cough- I think its time you put Basalt into the stamina and defense tier. Actually make it both tier 1. I am, trying to look for the Basalt testing thread to show you proof, seems like I can't fine it >=T
i dont think there has been enough testing on it yet
RE: MFB Tiers list - Evan - Mar. 07, 2011
I'm sorry if I worded that strangely. RS/CS/RSF are great defense bottoms, but only against same spin direction attack types.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Dan - Mar. 07, 2011
I can tell you that CS does great against Left-spins when in proper condition, but yes, it does do better against right-spinning beys.
RE: MFB Tiers list - BladeStorm - Mar. 07, 2011
I wouldn't classify Hell BD145[Boost]WD variants as stamina, it has a harder match against Heavy Earth Combos like MF-H Earth Bull R145WD than the conventional EarthWD variants.
As much as I dislike the accuracy solo testing, I guess it's default evidence here:
Standard procedures:
MF-F Hell Bull BD145[Boost]EWD versus Earth Aquario 145WD
8-2 victory for MF-F Hell Bull BD145[Boost]EWD
4x Hell wins via KO
4x Hell wins via OS
2x Earth wins via KO
MF-F Hell Bull BD145[Boost]EWD MF-H Earth Aquario R145WD
6x Hell wins via KO
4x MF-H Earth wins via KO
1x MF-H Earth wins via OS
Do we call a beyblade stamina if it KO's beyblades frequently? I thought stamina was about Outspinning. Anyway my point is that some combos have too many facets to brand as one type.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Ga' - Mar. 08, 2011
Errr, why is ES even mentioned in defense? Haven't we determined that it absolutely sucks? If anything, D has better defense.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Dan - Mar. 08, 2011
I suppose there is a logical reason for it but the list needs to be edited, that is for sure.
RE: MFB Tiers list - ArmorD00taku - Mar. 08, 2011
Well, I was told MF Pegasis does wonders when it's paired with a 145 track and a RF or R2F with a Metal Face. I tested it, and I think the Pegasus (Pegasis to prevent fanboy rage) deserves to be in the 1st tier past Grav wheel. It is an amazing attack wheel and shouldn't be underestimated.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Hero - Mar. 08, 2011
(Mar. 08, 2011 6:38 AM)NeoN!nJa Wrote: Well, I was told MF Pegasis does wonders when it's paired with a 145 track and a RF or R2F with a Metal Face. I tested it, and I think the Pegasus (Pegasis to prevent fanboy rage) deserves to be in the 1st tier past Grav wheel. It is an amazing attack wheel and shouldn't be underestimated.
Which combos did you test it against? Gravity is up there because it has great smash attack and destroys RS combos.
RE: MFB Tiers list - H8R - Mar. 08, 2011
well yes pegasis should be below Vulcan and above meteo after all it is top tier.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Ultra - Mar. 08, 2011
(Mar. 08, 2011 3:00 AM)GaHooleone Wrote: Errr, why is ES even mentioned in defense? Haven't we determined that it absolutely sucks? If anything, D has better defense.
Because it has some use in defence which is the whole point in this thread.
(Mar. 08, 2011 6:38 AM)NeoN!nJa Wrote: Well, I was told MF Pegasis does wonders when it's paired with a 145 track and a RF or R2F with a Metal Face. I tested it, and I think the Pegasus (Pegasis to prevent fanboy rage) deserves to be in the 1st tier past Grav wheel. It is an amazing attack wheel and shouldn't be underestimated.
I know this. Pegasis does very well against WB defence but doesn't do well at all against rubber defence combos which is what we use for defence now so it has lost it's uses.
(Mar. 08, 2011 6:49 AM)bigbangblaze Wrote: after all it is top tier.
On a list that needs to be badly updated...
RE: MFB Tiers list - abhicherath - Mar. 08, 2011
well its OK against CS but it completely and totally sucks against RS and RSF but as mcfrown said RS and RSF usage will drop due to MF, so i think it needs some more validating testing against CS( IM TALKING ABOUT PEGAsis)
RE: MFB Tiers list - Ultra - Mar. 08, 2011
There's quite a bit of testing on it in the sticky grip thread. Seems to do better on lower heights vs rubber defence bottoms than on 145 like it was traditionally.
RE: MFB Tiers list - BladeStorm - Mar. 08, 2011
Any chance of RF for Defence?
RE: MFB Tiers list - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 08, 2011
Ya,
RF has better defense than WD and WB for sure
RE: MFB Tiers list - Ultra - Mar. 08, 2011
(Mar. 08, 2011 2:42 PM)BladeStorm Wrote: Any chance of RF for Defence?
As I already said it's illegal so don't get your hopes up unless it becomes legal.
RE: MFB Tiers list - BladeStorm - Mar. 08, 2011
(Mar. 08, 2011 3:02 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:(Mar. 08, 2011 2:42 PM)BladeStorm Wrote: Any chance of RF for Defence?
As I already said it's illegal so don't get your hopes up unless it becomes legal.
I'm not disputing it's legality. Prime RF, as many others have said, provides enough friction and movement to absorb collisions effectively.
RE: MFB Tiers list - lord Wolfblade - Mar. 08, 2011
(Mar. 08, 2011 6:49 AM)bigbangblaze Wrote: well yes pegasis should be below Vulcan and above meteo after all it is top tier.
1. that tier list is in need of updating
2. pegasis can only get 0-10% win vs RS
3. meteo can get 70% win vs RS
yep, pegasis should not go over meteo.
pegasis is outdated and only deserves tier 2 at most
UltraBlader: how is a new or prime condition RF in any way illegal for defence? if it is new/prime condition it shouldn't be illegal at all
RE: MFB Tiers list - Ultra - Mar. 08, 2011
I was talking about worn down ones. Which would obviously perform better than new ones.
RE: MFB Tiers list - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 08, 2011
Pegasis gets one of the best results against Basalt and Meteo almost never Knocks out an RS but only outspins it.
And we are talking about pure smash,Equalizing doesn't come under it.Then Meteo would be the best wheel as it knocks out WB and Outspind RS/RSF/CS
RE: MFB Tiers list - lord Wolfblade - Mar. 08, 2011
(Mar. 08, 2011 6:08 PM)Aquilaz112 Wrote: Pegasis gets one of the best results against Basalt and Meteo almost never Knocks out an RS but only outspins it.
And we are talking about pure smash,Equalizing doesn't come under it.Then Meteo would be the best wheel as it knocks out WB and Outspind RS/RSF/CS
a combo could have amazing smash (pegasis) but its smash gets nullified by RS making it bad for attack, meteo can still beat RS making it the better choice for attack then pegasis
RE: MFB Tiers list - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 08, 2011
But this is smash and Meteo wins by outspin and has almost 0% smash unless it's battling against an another left spin making Pegasis better.