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Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Dan - Nov. 05, 2024
WBO x CHALLONGE
BEYBLADE X "SEASON 0"
As many of you have noticed over the last year and a half, the World Beyblade Organization has lacked any form of Ranked Play support for the latest Beyblade series, Beyblade X. A lot of time has gone by with little hints here or there, but nothing concrete or official.
For much of the last year we have been considering the best course of action when it comes to the implementation of a new ranked system. We knew we wanted something convenient, easy, and familiar, but with some internal losses in the main contributor(s) of our own site-specific Ranking System it became clear that in-house Ranking for Beyblade X was something we could not deliver on properly in the way we feel it deserves.
Instead of doubling down on going in-house, and all the headaches and questions that come along with that, we chose to collaborate with Challonge to provide a comprehensive and trustworthy platform for Beyblade X.
This is a platform that all of our Organizers and Users are accustomed to using or hearing about for years by now, so we thought it made the most sense to integrate more closely with a platform that wouldn't alienate our community.
WBO Organized Play's home for Beyblade X Rankings, Ratings, and all-in-one Tournament creation/organizing platform is officially Challonge.
Challonge has been a delight to work with, discuss concepts, ideas, and has proven to be very helpful in shaping the way we see Organized Play on the WBO moving forward.
Our collaboration with Challonge this year has afforded the World Beyblade Organization Community, and all of you Organizers and Bladers the following:
- WBO sanctioned world-wide Beyblade X Rankings in the form of the WBO Challonge PRO Community's "Ratings" Leaderboard.
- Re-usable Tournament "Templates" that make tournament creation simple and efficient.
- Seamless Automated Ranked Seeding cutting down on prep time and minor seeding errors as a result of manual input.
- Multiple leaderboards. Ranking "sensitivity" can increase beyond anything we have ever offered before (ex. Seasons, niche Formats/Rulesets/Regional sub-ratings).
- The potential for continued growth, features, and capabilities on the Challonge platform that the WBO would otherwise not take on itself.
WHAT IS SEASON 0?
What we are calling Season 0 on the WBO is really limit testing many of the above features and seeing how robust the new expanded WBO Community Platform on Challonge is, as well as how positively this change is received by Organizers and Bladers alike.
Season 0 will also be everyone's first shot at serious Beyblade X Ranked Play in the WBO Organized Play environment. For those that like to see data, review performance, or get a sense of how much improvement they have shown over time, this is your first step back into that world.
Organizers can start queuing up Events within our new Challonge framework immediately.
Naturally, since we are using the Challonge Platform to facilitate a more dynamic Ranked Play environment, we mandate the use of Challonge to record match results for your tournaments. These results will have a direct impact on the evolving Season 0 ratings, and your feedback on the features we have so far will have a direct impact on what we focus on and prioritize going forward.
It should also be noted that Organizers are encouraged to have their Participants make a Challonge account themselves if they do not already have one. The reason for this is because many of the features we employ, like tracking ranked stats, or wish to employ in the future, work best when users are actually on Challonge with their own unique account.
HOW DO I JOIN IN ON SEASON 0?
We've made a small update to the Organizer's Guide that now leads to an addendum for organizing Beyblade X under Season 0. You can also click here to learn the basics to make your Ranked Event on Challonge as simple as possible to set up:
Please review these directions carefully when first setting up your Events on Challonge to ensure there are zero hiccups and our transition to Ranked Beyblade X is a smooth one.
WHAT HAPPENS TO EVENTS HELD BEFORE SEASON 0?
Season 0 is absolutely our main priority at this point because it allows us to gauge the capabilities afforded to us by this completely new platform, but we haven't forgotten about the many Events held by our passionate Organizers before "Ranked BBX" meant anything solid.
For those that are concerned about their earlier achievements, we will be doing the following over time (doing this takes a lot of manual inputting) while still prioritizing troubleshooting Season 0:
- Retroactively adding older "Ranked" Beyblade X Events from launch until Season 0 to its own independent "legacy" leaderboard, where matches will stay recorded but not impact Season 0 onwards.
- Provide all participants of these legacy Events with an exclusive new Bit signifying their passion and drive to play X ASAP when the processing for every single legacy Event is finally completed.
- Provide the Top 5 ranked Bladers in this legacy leaderboard with their own commemorative Bit for their exceptional performance when the processing for every single legacy Event is finally completed.
FEEDBACK?
User and Organizer feedback in the coming weeks and months is critical. What we learn and hear from you will better equip us for the future of WBO Organized Play, and help us continue to develop a system that meets our community's competitive Beyblade needs.
Please post your thoughts below or in the WBO Organized Play Season 0 Feedback thread.
Thank you to everyone for their patience, passion, and open-mindedness when it comes to WBO's Organized Play.
Lets Play Beyblade, Together!
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - SILVA⁰ - Nov. 05, 2024
Excited to see how this works out
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - BeybladerNick - Nov. 05, 2024
For the new ranking system how is it weighted? Is the winner of an 8 person tournament going to receive the same points as someone from a 48 person tournament?
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - originalzankye - Nov. 05, 2024
A lot of care and thought was put into this huge respect to everyone involved WBO is something I only want to do well and adapt and I have seen great initiative and movement to ensure that I don't need to worry!
I am excited for our future!
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Zenos - Nov. 05, 2024
Let’s goooooo
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Dan - Nov. 05, 2024
(Nov. 05, 2024 1:08 AM)BeybladerNick Wrote: For the new ranking system how is it weighted? Is the winner of an 8 person tournament going to receive the same points as someone from a 48 person tournament?
I don't know if K-Factor can be modified on the setup page in response to tournament size, which is basically what you're asking here. Right now I think we can only modify K-Factor for a specific Rating ladder and not by Event.
I think that should be something to be looked into.
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - LegendV3 - Nov. 05, 2024
so, what about all of the "ranked" X tournaments that have already taken place? will those stats be uploaded soon? are spreadsheets no longer necessary for any format now that the ranking system of the WBO is no longer in use?
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Laban Vanot - Nov. 05, 2024
(Nov. 05, 2024 2:33 AM)LegendV3 Wrote: so, what about all of the "ranked" X tournaments that have already taken place? will those stats be uploaded soon? are spreadsheets no longer necessary for any format now that the ranking system of the WBO is no longer in use?#1 of the original post should be able to answer your first question.
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Frisk291 - Nov. 05, 2024
This is different but I'm excited to see this moving forward!
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - RAW - Nov. 05, 2024
I've looked into the Challonge rating system in the past and enjoy how it works so I'm excited to get on board with the new ranked system!
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - bladekid - Nov. 05, 2024
Honestly, as a pretty longstanding member of the community, it's really awesome to see something like this to make the ranking part of tourname organization much easier.
I'm hoping this system is going to be better than the previous one we've had, it had a lot of issues imo (no blame to the people doing it, it's understandable with the work load and such) and this may be what we've been looking for!
I'm not sure how the system works, but there was one big kink that needed to be worked on an individual tournament level, and thats 4th place.
Since the points are solely based on the matches you win/lose, you end up having 4th place be in a worse spot than almost anyone else who did well in the event. Think of it this way:
If it's top 8, 1st place won 3 matches, 2nd place won 2 and lost 1, 3rd place won 1 and lost 1, 4th place won 1 match, but then lost semis and the 3rd place match for 1 win 2 loses.
Even top 8 has 1 loss and no wins, that's arguably better than losing twice even with that extra win, it would lead to 4th place doing worse than everyone else despite getting pretty far. You can't just say "well it's thier fault, they lost so they should lose points" but this is a situation where someone has to be 4th, it's just a system that will unfairly screw someone over no matter what. Even if they still come out positive, they shouldn't have to deal with a net loss out the getgo like that.
There was also the issue of a good player losing one match to someone low ranked or new and then tanking super hard because of that one loss despite doing well. Like almost everyone I know has had an event where they did really well (top 3 even) and still didn't make any progress or lost progress due to the one match.
X is a game where sometimes a new player is good and not high ranked, or even just a bad player getting lucky in a match and taking it. These things happen, and the points a good player could lose just didn't account for the fact that games of beyblade are very close, and winning matches isn't that hard. It's that the best players have gotten good at adapting to that and win by setting up good situations and capitalizing on very small weaknesses.
Granted, a new player with far less experience could show up with the same/better combos and similar launching skill, but a good player wins by using that slight skill gap to rise above or thier matchup experience to find an achillies heal. But we aren't perfect, and we lose sometimes.
Like what seems more likely, a new player beating the best beyblader in the world, or beating the best Smash Bros player in the world? I hope that made sense, but Ig what I'm saying is skill is less shown by steamrolling and more by catching the minor slip-ups and capitalizing on them to gain a point advantage that can't be undone easily.
My suggestion back in the day (honestly, now it would probably be to just make the 3rd place match unranked like tiebreakers, as its just a placement match technically) was to just grant extra points to top 8, top 1 gets most points, and 2nd gets 2nd most, with 3rd and 4th place getting the same bonus. I think they should both get the same bonus to compensate for the fact that 4th place has an extra loss of points, so factoring everything, 3rd is still more rewarded than 4th, but it may just be worth it to make them different and adjust the balance of it that way.
That is a suggestion, but i think it's not super feasable and maybe not even necessary to do that rn, we'll have to see tho, 4th place may be in a rough spot regardless, but if everything else is good, that's just something that's gonna be a thing ig.
Overall tho, I kinda can't overstate enough how happy this makes me!!! Easy ranked is gonna make hosting so much more accessible and cause less hiccups both on the hosting and ranking side!! Good stuff yall!
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - LegendV3 - Nov. 05, 2024
(Nov. 05, 2024 2:39 AM)Laban Vanot Wrote:(Nov. 05, 2024 2:33 AM)LegendV3 Wrote: so, what about all of the "ranked" X tournaments that have already taken place? will those stats be uploaded soon? are spreadsheets no longer necessary for any format now that the ranking system of the WBO is no longer in use?#1 of the original post should be able to answer your first question.
Thanks. I hope some people don’t take the rankings too seriously. I know that sone people can derive self-worth from high numbers like placing on a leaderboard, or social media likes( I may, or may not be guilty of this myself), so I just hope that people remember that you don’t have to be the best on paper to be conditioned good at the game, or to be respected by your community.
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Garishi - Nov. 05, 2024
The low key best part about the new challonge stuff is the templates. LOVE them! Should have much fewer accidents and hiccups
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Hector619 - Nov. 06, 2024
ok my long a waited question has been answered but i have another question will you include previous data at the start of x when it came out by that i mean the first x tourments ? and will you sitll give bits for it
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Frisk291 - Nov. 06, 2024
(Nov. 06, 2024 3:55 PM)Hector619 Wrote: ok my long a waited question has been answered but i have another question will you include previous data at the start of x when it came out by that i mean the first x tourments ? and will you sitll give bits for itThis should answer your question
"For those that are concerned about their earlier achievements, we will be doing the following over time (doing this takes a lot of manual inputting) while still prioritizing troubleshooting Season 0:
Retroactively adding older "Ranked" Beyblade X Events from launch until Season 0 to its own independent "legacy" leaderboard, where matches will stay recorded but not impact Season 0 onwards.
Provide all participants of these legacy Events with an exclusive new Bit signifying their passion and drive to play X ASAP when the processing for every single legacy Event is finally completed.
Provide the Top 5 ranked Bladers in this legacy leaderboard with their own commemorative Bit for their exceptional performance when the processing for every single legacy Event is finally completed."
RE: Announcing WBO x Challonge: Beyblade X Season 0 - Hector619 - Nov. 06, 2024
(Nov. 06, 2024 4:29 PM)Frisk291 Wrote:thx i had speed reading though it too fast in school studying(Nov. 06, 2024 3:55 PM)Hector619 Wrote: ok my long a waited question has been answered but i have another question will you include previous data at the start of x when it came out by that i mean the first x tourments ? and will you sitll give bits for itThis should answer your question
"For those that are concerned about their earlier achievements, we will be doing the following over time (doing this takes a lot of manual inputting) while still prioritizing troubleshooting Season 0:
Retroactively adding older "Ranked" Beyblade X Events from launch until Season 0 to its own independent "legacy" leaderboard, where matches will stay recorded but not impact Season 0 onwards.
Provide all participants of these legacy Events with an exclusive new Bit signifying their passion and drive to play X ASAP when the processing for every single legacy Event is finally completed.
Provide the Top 5 ranked Bladers in this legacy leaderboard with their own commemorative Bit for their exceptional performance when the processing for every single legacy Event is finally completed."