• N.B. These rules do not override the Stadium Rulings section of the Zero-G Format Rulebook.
  

• The Play Area is considered to be the entire Stadium.
  

• Beyblades must be launched inside the Launch Area
  
• The Launch Area is the area of stadium floor bounded by the stadium walls, or in the case of stadiums with shroud components the stadium floor directly below and bounded by the shroud’s top opening.
  
• In stadiums with entry ramp structures which slope towards the central Play Area (such as the Beystadium Triple Battle Type), these are also considered Launch Areas.
  

• A Beyblade is knocked-out when it touches a surface outside of the Stadium (e.g. ground, cardboard box wall).
  

• A maximum of one dual-spin Layer configuration may be used per Deck (or set of presented Beyblades in P3C1 Match Type).
  
• After a combination has been submitted for inspection, the mode of a dual-spin part may be changed in line with the rulings for Parts with Multiple Modes.
  

• All Attachments to be used for the Match must be attached when submitted to the judge for inspection.
  
• +X, +Z, Disc Frames, Armor Tips and Level Chips, Union Swords, Infinite Sword, Infinite Shield, and Zest Armor may be removed or re-added before or between Battles, and doing so is treated as a Mode Change in line with the rulings for Parts with Multiple Modes.
  
• Other Attachments (e.g. Xtend+ Chip, DB/BU Gears) cannot be removed from a Beyblade for the duration of a match once it has been submitted to the judge for inspection.
  
• If an Attachment comes off during battle, the opponent is awarded 1 point.
  

• The spin direction of the Gravity Metal Wheel may be changed at any point before a match begins, or between rounds within a match.
  
• If two players wish to change spin directions at the same time, they must turn around and do so in secret before continuing the match.
  

(Mar. 27, 2023  12:21 AM)The Supreme One Wrote: Appreciate your taking the time to write these proposals out! When it comes to blanket adopting WBBA rules, however, I respectfully have to disagree. Unfortunately, Takara Tomy has shown us time and time again that they don't have the time nor the financial incentive to make decisions that are consistently positive for the competitive community. As a fan-run organization, we have the unique opportunity to take what we like and leave what we don't when it comes to the WBBA's ruleset in order to improve the tournament experience from both a competitive and enjoyability standpoint.  Rule addendums like the wall bounce rule have generally received positive feedback from the WBO community because they address WBBA oversights and better reflect the play style that our community enjoys.

While I'm sure we all wish we had our own version of the WBBA in the West, I'm grateful for the autonomy that being a grassroots organization affords. Can't speak for anyone else, but I look forward to seeing how we can come together and learn from our experiences with Burst to unlock Gen X's true potential when the time comes :)

(Apr. 01, 2023  9:24 PM)lil-iz Wrote: Just making sure this is ranked right? If so then it’s a W, cause I think that’s all people really wanted was to get another format that gave us points and not involve BDR!

(Apr. 01, 2023  9:26 PM)ICrazyEater Wrote:

(Apr. 01, 2023  9:24 PM)lil-iz Wrote: Just making sure this is ranked right? If so then it’s a W, cause I think that’s all people really wanted was to get another format that gave us points and not involve BDR!

If the proposal is accepted it would be ranked, however as of now all it is a is a proposal.

(Apr. 02, 2023  2:35 AM)StayCool Wrote: Agreed 😎 100%

(Apr. 02, 2023  3:03 AM)Guelerme Wrote: I like Burst GT for a number of reasons (easier to get a decent collection for cheap, nice layers), how does it fit in with this proposal?

(Apr. 02, 2023  2:50 AM)th!nk Wrote:

(Apr. 02, 2023  2:35 AM)StayCool Wrote: Agreed 😎 100%

Really relieved to hear this, was actually really unsure how you'd feel about it - I very much considered your thread while working on it :)

(Apr. 02, 2023  3:51 AM)StayCool Wrote:

(Apr. 02, 2023  2:50 AM)th!nk Wrote: Really relieved to hear this, was actually really unsure how you'd feel about it - I very much considered your thread while working on it

If you addressed this and I overlooked it then I apologize beforehand.

My only question is formats. In regards to using the unlimited rule set and having rotational changes I really only see that being fair in 3v3/3G or 5G. Using any WBO format, single Bey, P3C1 and even deck it can become too OP. In all 3 of those formats you can use world, over, drift and that’s all you’ll need. In 3G/5G it’s more balanced because you have to switch and can only rotationally change once per shuffle.

We discussed a lot of this in the show tonight and Crisis told me about this proposal. I do agree that the WBO should cater to the community overall. I think with our growth we should have the standard side for the community and use it to benefit the overall community and unlimited to kind of cater to the high competitors or at least get in line with WBBA in the organizational standpoint. The WBO has the beauty to do both and I love that

(Apr. 02, 2023  4:02 AM)th!nk Wrote:

(Apr. 02, 2023  3:51 AM)StayCool Wrote: If you addressed this and I overlooked it then I apologize beforehand.

My only question is formats. In regards to using the unlimited rule set and having rotational changes I really only see that being fair in 3v3/3G or 5G. Using any WBO format, single Bey, P3C1 and even deck it can become too OP. In all 3 of those formats you can use world, over, drift and that’s all you’ll need. In 3G/5G it’s more balanced because you have to switch and can only rotationally change once per shuffle.

We discussed a lot of this in the show tonight and Crisis told me about this proposal. I do agree that the WBO should cater to the community overall. I think with our growth we should have the standard side for the community and use it to benefit the overall community and unlimited to kind of cater to the high competitors or at least get in line with WBBA in the organizational standpoint. The WBO has the beauty to do both and I love that

In the end for that one it comes down to Organizer choice. I agree dual spin can be a bit scarier in 1v1, and to some degree p3c1  - formats the wbba doesn't really run for the most part. I think it's okay to have options that are not always going to be perfect rather than cutting them off entirely, as to provide that freedom. I don't think they are obscenely broken, especially as using any of the dual spin chips with World makes the match up with dynaf bdr a lot dicier, and dynaf bdr is already kind of going to win in either direction anyway in p3c1 or 1v1... I don't think it's actually any worse. World drift also cannot take a hit, which doesn't help it.

In the end though it is Organizer choice and I think we can trust them to make the appropriate choice for their area - if they don't, people will likely not attend as much until it changes. Such is the cost of freedom, as Shin has said to me.

(Apr. 01, 2023  4:29 PM)mrphuffles Wrote: I see this as an absolute win, espesially bdr ban. It's acctually very close to what smogon does with pokemon being a fan run organization and having whats basically our standard format, which they call ubers, but they have banned things from it and made anything goes (only a few things and banned but hurt meta greatly)

(Apr. 03, 2023  3:18 PM)CrisisCrusher07 Wrote: Howdy everyone, so I wanted to give my response to this proposal that was sparked from an idea I had and had stated on the WBO discord while a heated debate about banning BDr was going on. I meant to do it over the weekend but between family and a Standard tournament we had I just wasn’t able to find the time to sit down and type out a response. I will say though I did do a Podcast for the Four Gaming YouTube channel on Friday where I touch on this proposal and if you don’t really want to read my response you can get a gist of it by clicking this link https://youtu.be/MfvcRQasfS8 and going to the 32:50 time frame of the video.

One thing I would like to get out of the way is that for the most part I think this proposal is a good idea that need to be thought about more so as a way to try and keep the upcoming Beyblade X from having so many issues like Beyblade Burst has had within the WBO, rather than a way to “Fix” Burst’s current meta.

Anyway! Now that’s out of the way and I can give you my input on the proposal. So to start things off I want to elaborate that this idea comes from playing competitive Yu-Gi-Oh!, a very popular and successful card game that is played all over the world and handled by the Konami Entertainment Corporation. So within the Yu-Gi-Oh! “Standard” game they allow every card to be used except for selected ones that are either Semi-Limited, Limited, or Forbidden. Cards will end up on one of these sections of the list in order to “Balance” out the game as best as they possibly can. Now there are human beings behind the decision as to what cards to limit or forbid, so sometimes they might miss something and an over powered cad/deck can run the format for the next 3 months until the next update to the list. However, when you are given a set time as to when a list is going to come out, it’s not that bad playing in a format with an over powered card/deck because you know it is only for a certain period of time until Konami handles the situation.

Now you might be asking yourself what does all of this have to do with Beyblade? Well what I’m saying is that we should have 1 format that allows the Staff/Organize Play Team of the WBO to freely ban/unban Beyblade parts (and by extension modify some rules) for that generations “Standard” meta game, every X amount of months to try and balance out the game. However, since there will be people that would rather not play with the parts that the WBO thinks should be banned, but they still would want to play in a ranked tournament, I’m suggesting we also have a 2nd format a more “Unlimited” format that allows the players to play everything within that generation. (with a few exceptions, like MS being banned to keep stadiums from being destroyed.) We also have a lot of players wanting to experience the game the way the Manufacturer Takara Tomy intended for it to be played. So I’m also suggesting that the “Unlimited” formats rule set should probably stay closer to that of Takara Tomy’s given rule set.

Now what exactly is the benefit of having the “Unlimited” format and the “Limited” formats? Well when both the “Unlimited and Limited” Formats start to see issues with a part being a little too dominating we are able to adjust the “Limited” format to keep the balance. We also get to get 2 different sets of ranked data to tell us if after the X amount of months time the part has been a dominating issue with no counters really being released. So then we can ban it in the “Limited” format while letting ti dominate the “Unlimited” format until Takara Tomy releases something that counters is or just outclasses it entirely. This will allow the WBO to keep the list small and keep the format current rather than it being a format that is deadlocked into using older parts that become more expensive and harder to get. Now sure there are some sites you can get the parts from at a cheaper cost. But how many people really know to go to those sites? Especially new players! So that is how most of our MFL and Classic formats get such low turn outs, and it’s a real shame because they are good, balanced formats that are worth playing! We also have to look into the reality that the majority of players on the WBO are kids/teenagers that probably do not have incomes of their own and can’t really afford those older parts because of the price gap between them and the new release.

I want to give everyone an example as to where I think having these 2 formats would have been vary beneficial. I wanna take you all back to the very beginning of the Super King/Sparking era of Beyblade burst. One of the first releases was the B-161 Glide Ragnarok. This beyblade introduced the “Wheel” disk. A very heavy and well rounded disk. Now it did not take long for players to learn that combining the Wheel disk with the Xtend+ driver was very powerful for both same and opposite spin stamina. Is only real competitor came with the release of B-168 Rage Longinus, and even then it didn’t dominate over it within the meta. In fact for the longest time almost every winning combos list had the combo Master Diabolos Wheel Xtend+ in their list. Then with the release of B-171 Tempest Dragon (Triple Booster Set) we got the Tempest Ring that quickly replaced Master. So now every list just about had the combo Tempest Lucifer 1 Wheel Xtend+ 1S in their winning combos list, and that combo ran the format until the end of the Super King/ Sparking Generation. The only thing to come out that even tried to balance that combo out in the format was the Drift driver from the B-175 Lucifer The End. When combined with World 2B the drift driver gave a very good opposite spin match up against the Tempest on Wheel Xtend+ combo. But it being on drift made it very risky to use in the first stage formats. Now imagine if we had a list where all of this played out as it did, as well as another format where once the WBO saw how over powered Wheel with Xtend+ was, they decided to ban Xtend+. (which a lot of people actually did call for at the time.) we could have seen a whole new meta game with other drivers such as Universe, Atomic, and Bearing seeing a lot more play than they got to see in that era.

This is the idea this proposal is bringing to the table. And it is my hope that we can get something like this in place so that way by the time Beyblade X is released we will be ready to play the game in a more healthy way, with more passion and excitement than ever before! I encourage you all to really take the time to think about the many implications this proposal has to offer. If you have any feedback please feel free to tell me. I would love to know what everyone things.

(Apr. 03, 2023  11:08 PM)BladerGem Wrote: Very well-detailed explanation! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing this get refined and reach the point of experimental tournaments. Just to confirm; the "Unlimited" format is the one that will be moving more towards the WBBA's rulesets, and the "Limited" one (with BDr and MBd banned) will be traditional WBO?

(Apr. 03, 2023  11:08 PM)BladerGem Wrote:

(Apr. 03, 2023  3:18 PM)CrisisCrusher07 Wrote: Howdy everyone, so I wanted to give my response to this proposal that was sparked from an idea I had and had stated on the WBO discord while a heated debate about banning BDr was going on. I meant to do it over the weekend but between family and a Standard tournament we had I just wasn’t able to find the time to sit down and type out a response. I will say though I did do a Podcast for the Four Gaming YouTube channel on Friday where I touch on this proposal and if you don’t really want to read my response you can get a gist of it by clicking this link https://youtu.be/MfvcRQasfS8 and going to the 32:50 time frame of the video.

One thing I would like to get out of the way is that for the most part I think this proposal is a good idea that need to be thought about more so as a way to try and keep the upcoming Beyblade X from having so many issues like Beyblade Burst has had within the WBO, rather than a way to “Fix” Burst’s current meta.

Anyway! Now that’s out of the way and I can give you my input on the proposal. So to start things off I want to elaborate that this idea comes from playing competitive Yu-Gi-Oh!, a very popular and successful card game that is played all over the world and handled by the Konami Entertainment Corporation. So within the Yu-Gi-Oh! “Standard” game they allow every card to be used except for selected ones that are either Semi-Limited, Limited, or Forbidden. Cards will end up on one of these sections of the list in order to “Balance” out the game as best as they possibly can. Now there are human beings behind the decision as to what cards to limit or forbid, so sometimes they might miss something and an over powered cad/deck can run the format for the next 3 months until the next update to the list. However, when you are given a set time as to when a list is going to come out, it’s not that bad playing in a format with an over powered card/deck because you know it is only for a certain period of time until Konami handles the situation.

Now you might be asking yourself what does all of this have to do with Beyblade? Well what I’m saying is that we should have 1 format that allows the Staff/Organize Play Team of the WBO to freely ban/unban Beyblade parts (and by extension modify some rules) for that generations “Standard” meta game, every X amount of months to try and balance out the game. However, since there will be people that would rather not play with the parts that the WBO thinks should be banned, but they still would want to play in a ranked tournament, I’m suggesting we also have a 2nd format a more “Unlimited” format that allows the players to play everything within that generation. (with a few exceptions, like MS being banned to keep stadiums from being destroyed.) We also have a lot of players wanting to experience the game the way the Manufacturer Takara Tomy intended for it to be played. So I’m also suggesting that the “Unlimited” formats rule set should probably stay closer to that of Takara Tomy’s given rule set.

Now what exactly is the benefit of having the “Unlimited” format and the “Limited” formats? Well when both the “Unlimited and Limited” Formats start to see issues with a part being a little too dominating we are able to adjust the “Limited” format to keep the balance. We also get to get 2 different sets of ranked data to tell us if after the X amount of months time the part has been a dominating issue with no counters really being released. So then we can ban it in the “Limited” format while letting ti dominate the “Unlimited” format until Takara Tomy releases something that counters is or just outclasses it entirely. This will allow the WBO to keep the list small and keep the format current rather than it being a format that is deadlocked into using older parts that become more expensive and harder to get. Now sure there are some sites you can get the parts from at a cheaper cost. But how many people really know to go to those sites? Especially new players! So that is how most of our MFL and Classic formats get such low turn outs, and it’s a real shame because they are good, balanced formats that are worth playing! We also have to look into the reality that the majority of players on the WBO are kids/teenagers that probably do not have incomes of their own and can’t really afford those older parts because of the price gap between them and the new release.

I want to give everyone an example as to where I think having these 2 formats would have been vary beneficial. I wanna take you all back to the very beginning of the Super King/Sparking era of Beyblade burst. One of the first releases was the B-161 Glide Ragnarok. This beyblade introduced the “Wheel” disk. A very heavy and well rounded disk. Now it did not take long for players to learn that combining the Wheel disk with the Xtend+ driver was very powerful for both same and opposite spin stamina. Is only real competitor came with the release of B-168 Rage Longinus, and even then it didn’t dominate over it within the meta. In fact for the longest time almost every winning combos list had the combo Master Diabolos Wheel Xtend+ in their list. Then with the release of B-171 Tempest Dragon (Triple Booster Set) we got the Tempest Ring that quickly replaced Master. So now every list just about had the combo Tempest Lucifer 1 Wheel Xtend+ 1S in their winning combos list, and that combo ran the format until the end of the Super King/ Sparking Generation. The only thing to come out that even tried to balance that combo out in the format was the Drift driver from the B-175 Lucifer The End. When combined with World 2B the drift driver gave a very good opposite spin match up against the Tempest on Wheel Xtend+ combo. But it being on drift made it very risky to use in the first stage formats. Now imagine if we had a list where all of this played out as it did, as well as another format where once the WBO saw how over powered Wheel with Xtend+ was, they decided to ban Xtend+. (which a lot of people actually did call for at the time.) we could have seen a whole new meta game with other drivers such as Universe, Atomic, and Bearing seeing a lot more play than they got to see in that era.

This is the idea this proposal is bringing to the table. And it is my hope that we can get something like this in place so that way by the time Beyblade X is released we will be ready to play the game in a more healthy way, with more passion and excitement than ever before! I encourage you all to really take the time to think about the many implications this proposal has to offer. If you have any feedback please feel free to tell me. I would love to know what everyone things.

Very well-detailed explanation! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing this get refined and reach the point of experimental tournaments. Just to confirm; the "Unlimited" format is the one that will be moving more towards the WBBA's rulesets, and the "Limited" one (with BDr and MBd banned) will be traditional WBO?