(Jun. 24, 2021  6:32 PM)i\m batman Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:16 PM)Dark red Wrote: Hot take: Gwyn and Phi would've whooped Lean in Sparking, hands down.

Depends on multiple things:
Does Lean get plot armor?
Do the other two get it (because let's be honest, they had some too)?
Are Gwyn and Phi using Sparking evolutions of their beys?

Also, while on the subject of Lean, I don't understand why he's even supposed to be a bad guy. He's pretty similar to Dark Resonance Aiga, the resonance/flare has corrupted him, so he seeks to be the strongest. I don't even think he had planned on destroying Ragnaruk or the sun beys, but did so in the heat of the moment. Meanwhile, all of Phi's breaks (except Z Achilles) were very much deliberate. So, at worst, he's a massive jerk.

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:43 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: Who would win:
Brave Valkyrie vs. World Spriggan
Vanish Fafnir vs. Savior Valkyrie
LTE (Lucifer The End) vs. Dynamite Belial/w F-Gear
Big Bang Genesis vs. Union Achilles and Slash Valkyrie
Variant Lucifer vs. Mirage Fafnir
Rage Longinus vs. Tempest Dragon

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:16 PM)Dark red Wrote: Hot take: Gwyn and Phi would've whooped Lean in Sparking, hands down.

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:32 PM)i'm batman Wrote: Also, while on the subject of Lean, I don't understand why he's even supposed to be a bad guy. He's pretty similar to Dark Resonance Aiga, the resonance/flare has corrupted him, so he seeks to be the strongest. I don't even think he had planned on destroying Ragnaruk or the sun beys, but did so in the heat of the moment. Meanwhile, all of Phi's breaks (except Z Achilles) were very much deliberate. So, at worst, he's a massive jerk.
EDIT: Red Eye broke beys deliberately too, imo.

(Jun. 23, 2021  3:41 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Jun. 23, 2021  3:27 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Fair point, but the story could move forward without slapping the number 1 role back down to Valt. Don't get me wrong, not saying I don't like or that he doesn't deserve it. Him being number 1 wasn't exactly needed for the story since he's already an influential blader around the world. They could have just dropped the whole ranking thing if it's barely mentioned enough to matter.

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Valt holding back is not a part of his personality, so I heavily doubt that was true. That's more of a Free/Lui type style. I ain't denying that Aiga had plot armor within Cho-Z, but it got better towards the end of the season. Not like other main characters didn't have plot armor either, including Valt, so I don't see how he gets completely exempt from that. And yeah, he lost to show that beyblade isn't all about winning from his perspective. Just like he lost to Aiga at the end of Cho-Z.

Say if Valt went full power on Hyuga in his first battle he would've broken Hyperion so that's why most if the time he holds back

(Jun. 23, 2021  4:00 PM)Dark red Wrote:

(Jun. 23, 2021  9:57 AM)Beyblade8986 Wrote: Guys Hyuga in the end of Sparking is #17. Hikaru isn't legend but he is #1A

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I guess he between Sparking and DB return it

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Hyuga can't be so high. I'm going to fix your rank a little bit.
1 Bell
2 Rashad
3 Valt
4 Shu 
5 Lean
6 Aiga
7 Free
8 Lui
9 Drum
10 Phi
11 Gwyn
12 Delta
13 Xhaka
14 Sisco
15 Zac
16 Wakiya
17 Daina
18 Rantaro
19 Hyuga ( if he won't appear in DB)

A 1 Basara
2 Hikaru
3 Ranzo

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Must Rashad suprass Valt

I don't mean to be rude but stop the CAP lol. Manga Hyuga surpassed Rantaro, Daina, Wakiya, Zac, Sisco, and Lean so him being under those guys is blasphemy. And Hyuga beat Lean with 4 points to 2 points, bursting him TWO times. So, Hyuga should at least be in the Top 10. Also, Basara above Hikaru, BOI STOP THE CAP XD!!!! Sure, we didn't see Basara in action yet but I highly doubt he would be stronger than Hikaru. On another note, you're right to question if Rashad would surpass Valt since we didn't see him in action but I have a feeling he will be a beast.

(Jun. 23, 2021  4:07 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I will post the official rankings later

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Beyblade Burst Official Rankings (Note: This is after sparking)

S 1. Valt Aoi

S 2. Lane Valhalla

S 3. Shu Kurenai

S 4. Aiger Akabane

S 5. Free De La Hoya

S 6. Lui Shirosagi

S 7. Dante Koryu

S 8. Phi Kuromi

S 9. Gwyn Renolds

S 10. Delta Zakuro (No not the DeltaZakuro on WBO)

S 11. Xander Shakadera

S 12. Silas Karsile

S 13. Zac Kaneguro

S 14. Wakiya Murasaki

S 15. Daigo Kurogami

16. Unkown

A 1. Hikaru Hizashi

A 2. Hyuga Hizashi (S stands for S tier and A stands for A tier)

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:11 PM)Beyblade8986 Wrote:

(Jun. 23, 2021  4:00 PM)Dark red Wrote: I don't mean to be rude but stop the CAP lol. Manga Hyuga surpassed Rantaro, Daina, Wakiya, Zac, Sisco, and Lean so him being under those guys is blasphemy. And Hyuga beat Lean with 4 points to 2 points, bursting him TWO times. So, Hyuga should at least be in the Top 10. Also, Basara above Hikaru, BOI STOP THE CAP XD!!!! Sure, we didn't see Basara in action yet but I highly doubt he would be stronger than Hikaru. On another note, you're right to question if Rashad would surpass Valt since we didn't see him in action but I have a feeling he will be a beast.

Rank doesn't work like this. The more beys you defeat the stronger rank you get. Of course Manga Hyuga is better than Anime, but to get higher rank he need to work harder. And he suprass only Lean, Drum and Kiyama brothers. Others he didn't beat. 
2 What. I don't understand what are you talking about

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(Jun. 23, 2021  4:07 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I will post the official rankings later

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Beyblade Burst Official Rankings (Note: This is after sparking)

S 1. Valt Aoi

S 2. Lane Valhalla

S 3. Shu Kurenai

S 4. Aiger Akabane

S 5. Free De La Hoya

S 6. Lui Shirosagi

S 7. Dante Koryu

S 8. Phi Kuromi

S 9. Gwyn Renolds

S 10. Delta Zakuro (No not the DeltaZakuro on WBO)

S 11. Xander Shakadera

S 12. Silas Karsile

S 13. Zac Kaneguro

S 14. Wakiya Murasaki

S 15. Daigo Kurogami

16. Unkown

A 1. Hikaru Hizashi

A 2. Hyuga Hizashi (S stands for S tier and A stands for A tier)

From Vtryuga it's said that Shu return his rank

(Jun. 23, 2021  4:07 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I will post the official rankings later

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Beyblade Burst Official Rankings (Note: This is after sparking)

S 1. Valt Aoi

S 2. Lane Valhalla

S 3. Shu Kurenai

S 4. Aiger Akabane

S 5. Free De La Hoya

S 6. Lui Shirosagi

S 7. Dante Koryu

S 8. Phi Kuromi

S 9. Gwyn Renolds

S 10. Delta Zakuro (No not the DeltaZakuro on WBO)

S 11. Xander Shakadera

S 12. Silas Karsile

S 13. Zac Kaneguro

S 14. Wakiya Murasaki

S 15. Daigo Kurogami

16. Unkown

A 1. Hikaru Hizashi

A 2. Hyuga Hizashi (S stands for S tier and A stands for A tier)

(Jun. 24, 2021  3:49 AM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: The only way Bell would win is with the V Gear and Plot Armor

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:31 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: Protagonists Ranking
Valt > Gingka > Tyson > Drum > Aiga > Bell > Hikaru > Hyuga

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:43 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: Who would win:
Brave Valkyrie vs. World Spriggan
Vanish Fafnir vs. Savior Valkyrie
LTE (Lucifer The End) vs. Dynamite Belial/w F-Gear
Big Bang Genesis vs. Union Achilles and Slash Valkyrie
Variant Lucifer vs. Mirage Fafnir
Rage Longinus vs. Tempest Dragon

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:18 PM)Beyblade8986 Wrote:

(Jun. 23, 2021  4:07 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I will post the official rankings later

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Beyblade Burst Official Rankings (Note: This is after sparking)

S 1. Valt Aoi

S 2. Lane Valhalla

S 3. Shu Kurenai

S 4. Aiger Akabane

S 5. Free De La Hoya

S 6. Lui Shirosagi

S 7. Dante Koryu

S 8. Phi Kuromi

S 9. Gwyn Renolds

S 10. Delta Zakuro (No not the DeltaZakuro on WBO)

S 11. Xander Shakadera

S 12. Silas Karsile

S 13. Zac Kaneguro

S 14. Wakiya Murasaki

S 15. Daigo Kurogami

16. Unkown

A 1. Hikaru Hizashi

A 2. Hyuga Hizashi (S stands for S tier and A stands for A tier)

16 is Rantaro. What about Phi. He don't have surname, Kuromi is fake

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(Jun. 24, 2021  3:49 AM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: The only way Bell would win is with the V Gear and Plot Armor

It's called strategy bro. We already know that with F gear he could beat Free, and Free got dumb from him

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Let's be honest. Bell don't use plot Armour

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:53 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:16 PM)Dark red Wrote: Hot take: Gwyn and Phi would've whooped Lean in Sparking, hands down.

As much as I don't like lean There's just no way phi is gonna win power wise. even if lean is weaker he'll  just grows each time he battle just like broly from dbs. He basically like a super prodigy which almost impossible to beat in a 1v1 match unless the opponent is as the level of strategic as bell which arguably Gwyn might be able to beat him considering his power grow is nutz but not as nutz as lean so it's up in the air but imo lean would take the w

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:32 PM)i\m batman Wrote: Also, while on the subject of Lean, I don't understand why he's even supposed to be a bad guy. He's pretty similar to Dark Resonance Aiga, the resonance/flare has corrupted him, so he seeks to be the strongest. I don't even think he had planned on destroying Ragnaruk or the sun beys, but did so in the heat of the moment. Meanwhile, all of Phi's breaks (except Z Achilles) were very much deliberate. So, at worst, he's a massive jerk.
EDIT: Red Eye broke beys deliberately too, imo.

The author aka hiro morita has actually confirmed that lean was supposed to be a shadow protagonist which is quite fitting considering his development is all about "after you become the strongest then what?" Which got a really poor execution imo

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:32 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:18 PM)Beyblade8986 Wrote: 16 is Rantaro. What about Phi. He don't have surname, Kuromi is fake

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It's called strategy bro. We already know that with F gear he could beat Free, and Free got dumb from him

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Let's be honest. Bell don't use plot Armour

On the Beyblade wiki after sparking it said Rantaro's ranking was unkown

(Jun. 24, 2021  8:11 PM)Admiral W Wrote: It was confirmed that Rantaro is still a legend in Ranzo's bio. It said he's a relative of Legendary Blader Rantaro Kiyama.

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:31 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: Protagonists Ranking
Valt > Gingka > Tyson > Drum > Aiga > Bell > Hikaru > Hyuga

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:48 PM)Dark red Wrote: Hot take: Rantaro shouldn't be part of the Legend Bladers since there are other bladers that are more qualified to be the group: Fubuki, Kensuke, Hearts, Boa, and Kurtz.

(Jun. 25, 2021  1:31 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2021  6:48 PM)Dark red Wrote: Hot take: Rantaro shouldn't be part of the Legend Bladers since there are other bladers that are more qualified to be the group: Fubuki, Kensuke, Hearts, Boa, and Kurtz.

Not just Rantaro, Daigo, Wakiya, Zac and Gwyn don't deserve to be in the S-Tier.

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:40 PM)BurningSands Wrote: I dont want to be the “The wiki is inaccurate”-type of person, but here I go:

Id advise not to heavily rely on the Beyblade wiki for animanga information, regardless of whether or not the info is actually correct or wrong. Plenty of WBO users know that the wiki’s animanga content is messy at the moment (At some point, the wiki told me Ryuto was Ryuga’s brother, for example). Though, kudos for the content moderators currently cleaning it up at the moment and making the information more accurate and readable. In the meantime, theres a lot of misinfo and speculation swept under the radar

(Jun. 25, 2021  1:48 AM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Jun. 25, 2021  1:31 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: Not just Rantaro, Daigo, Wakiya, Zac and Gwyn don't deserve to be in the S-Tier.

I get you saying Rantaro Daigo Wakiya and Zac not deserving to be S tier but Gwyn totally deserves it he demolished the competition when he just started blading she beat Arthur in this third battle he beat Dante on his second battle him being there is much deserved

(Jun. 25, 2021  1:57 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:40 PM)BurningSands Wrote: I dont want to be the “The wiki is inaccurate”-type of person, but here I go:

Id advise not to heavily rely on the Beyblade wiki for animanga information, regardless of whether or not the info is actually correct or wrong. Plenty of WBO users know that the wiki’s animanga content is messy at the moment (At some point, the wiki told me Ryuto was Ryuga’s brother, for example). Though, kudos for the content moderators currently cleaning it up at the moment and making the information more accurate and readable. In the meantime, theres a lot of misinfo and speculation swept under the radar

The wiki also associates mixes and matches various elements from both the manga and anime as if they were a single continuity such as rankings, characteristics etc. A lot of the people editing the beywiki really have no clue what they are doing.

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(Jun. 25, 2021  1:48 AM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I get you saying Rantaro Daigo Wakiya and Zac not deserving to be S tier but Gwyn totally deserves it he demolished the competition when he just started blading she beat Arthur in this third battle he beat Dante on his second battle him being there is much deserved

I mean, Daigo, Wakiya, Zac and Rantaro may not have the necessary feats to be considered legends but the fact that they are iconic fan favourites is more than enough. IMO, iconic, well written characters are just as deserving as standing among legends as the overpowered edgelords (Shu, Lui Free, Aiga).

(Jun. 24, 2021  7:07 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: I figure that the strongest bladers or at least top 3 is the protagonist, antagonist, rival to the protagonist.
Also I keep seeing people say Lane is the strongest antagonist in Burst is that backgammon or truth? Cause I don't remember anything that was stated or implied about that.