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RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Apr. 11, 2014
(Apr. 11, 2014 8:25 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote:(Apr. 11, 2014 8:22 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: Their used for different things, but B : D will have better stamina then F230GCF (if the person uses it with a sway launch right) in solo launches.Okay. Than i might be much closer to a solution then i thought (I might even get a solution that isn't sychrome). Thanks.
You should be testing with a TT Orange F230, though.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Boredomface - Apr. 11, 2014
(Apr. 11, 2014 9:11 PM)Leone19 Wrote:I only have the hasbro version. It should be an acurate representation of the tt version. And considering the left rotation, the version may not matter. (As of 4-12-14, i only had B : D)(Apr. 11, 2014 8:25 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote:(Apr. 11, 2014 8:22 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: Their used for different things, but B : D will have better stamina then F230GCF (if the person uses it with a sway launch right) in solo launches.Okay. Than i might be much closer to a solution then i thought (I might even get a solution that isn't sychrome). Thanks.
You should be testing with a TT Orange F230, though.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 11, 2014 9:23 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote:(Apr. 11, 2014 9:11 PM)Leone19 Wrote:I dont have that, so bearing drive will have to do.(Apr. 11, 2014 8:25 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote: Okay. Than i might be much closer to a solution then i thought (I might even get a solution that isn't sychrome). Thanks.
You should be testing with a TT Orange F230, though.
Testing counters for Dragoon B
would be irrelevant, the problem is Dragoon F230, not B.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - [)ragon - Apr. 12, 2014
Hey guys - looks like you haven't gotten too far into discussing this in the last week or so, but I just wanna kinda give you a heads up that I'm not gonna be around to test/answer/talk about any of this stuff for a long while.
I kind of wanted this taken care of before Beydays (like a lot of other people I know), but yah, I can't really do anything about it now.
If you guys actually end up having a vote while I'm gone, make sure to include my vote (I think you all know what it is already - if you don't, well... just read).
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Boredomface - Apr. 12, 2014
TheBlackDragon, thanks for letting us know.
For the moment, i may have figured out a way to beat it. I used diablo nemesis gb145 TB in the attack type zero g stadium. The reason i am still working on it is because it has a lot of risks attached.
1: it will scrape against the stadium
2: it will not always work and
3: when it does win, i does so by a very, very slim margin.
For obvious reasons, i am still working. I'll give an update if i find out anything else.
Thanks for your time.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:11 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote: For the moment, i may have figured out a way to beat it. I used diablo nemesis gb145 TB in the attack type zero g stadium. The reason i am still working on it is because it has a lot of risks attached.
1: it will scrape against the stadium
2: it will not always work and
3: when it does win, i does so by a very slim margin.
For obvious reasons, i am still working. I'll give an update if i find out anything else.
Thanks for your time.
You'd need to post tests out of 20 rounds, to show if it is, indeed, an efficient counter.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Boredomface - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:12 PM)Leone19 Wrote:I have done 20 tests (heck, i have been testing for like the last 5 hours). I will be doing more though. I just thought i would give an update.(Apr. 12, 2014 11:11 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote: For the moment, i may have figured out a way to beat it. I used diablo nemesis gb145 TB in the attack type zero g stadium. The reason i am still working on it is because it has a lot of risks attached.
1: it will scrape against the stadium
2: it will not always work and
3: when it does win, i does so by a very slim margin.
For obvious reasons, i am still working. I'll give an update if i find out anything else.
Thanks for your time.
You'd need to post tests out of 20 rounds, to show if it is, indeed, an efficient counter.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - DRAGON KING - Apr. 12, 2014
What color F230 are you using? This discussion is for banning the TT Orange F230.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:17 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote:You'd need to say how many times Diablo won and how it won (KO, OS, etc.)(Apr. 12, 2014 11:12 PM)Leone19 Wrote:I have done 20 tests (heck, i have been testing for like the last 5 hours). I will be doing more though. I just thought i would give an update.(Apr. 12, 2014 11:11 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote: For the moment, i may have figured out a way to beat it. I used diablo nemesis gb145 TB in the attack type zero g stadium. The reason i am still working on it is because it has a lot of risks attached.
1: it will scrape against the stadium
2: it will not always work and
3: when it does win, i does so by a very slim margin.
For obvious reasons, i am still working. I'll give an update if i find out anything else.
Thanks for your time.
You'd need to post tests out of 20 rounds, to show if it is, indeed, an efficient counter.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - deathpegusas - Apr. 12, 2014
F230 it not perfect for stamina defence and balance type cause libra
are too focus for F230 PEFORMANCE TIP :WARNING F230 ARE LEGIT TO STAMINA AND ATTACK TYPE
even it is not good the rubber perfomance tip like RF IS EASY FOR ATTACK TYPE
SO NOBODY USE F230 IN THE TOURNAMENT COS IT AN PENELTY PERFORMANCE TIP AND IT BANNED
IN EVERYOTHER COUNTRY INCLUEDING IN SHANGHAI,TOKYO AND NEW DEHLI,INDIA
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Boredomface - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:23 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: What color F230 are you using? This discussion is for banning the TT Orange F230.
The hasbro version and the orange tt (somehow it worked out that i got both around the same time. I dont know how). However, i must say that i am not seeing much of a difference between the two (assuming there is a difference).
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:34 PM)deathpegusas Wrote: F230 it not perfect for stamina defence and balance type cause libra
are too focus for F230 PEFORMANCE TIP :WARNING F230 ARE LEGIT TO STAMINA AND ATTACK TYPE
even it is not good the rubber perfomance tip like RF IS EASY FOR ATTACK TYPE
SO NOBODY USE F230 IN THE TOURNAMENT COS IT AN PENELTY PERFORMANCE TIP AND IT BANNED
IN EVERYOTHER COUNTRY INCLUEDING IN SHANGHAI,TOKYO AND NEW DEHLI,INDIA
What? This did not make sense, at all.
As far as the WBO knows, F230 is not banned in WBBA events, but even then, WBBA events are not held in India, Shanghai, or Tokyo...
Not to mention, Tokyo is a city, not a country.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - 6 God - Apr. 12, 2014
I can't really understand what exactly your trying to get across from that post. But I'd suggest reading over why F230 is good and why it's dominant in competitive situations.
And maybe edit your post with something that makes sense.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:35 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote:(Apr. 12, 2014 11:23 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: What color F230 are you using? This discussion is for banning the TT Orange F230.
The hasbro version and the orange tt (somehow it worked out that i got both around the same time. I dont know how). However, i must say that i am not seeing much of a difference between the two (assuming there is a difference).
The Hasbro is generally known to do worse than the TT, I can confirm my (2) do.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Boredomface - Apr. 12, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:34 PM)deathpegusas Wrote: F230 it not perfect for stamina defence and balance type cause libraFour things.
are too focus for F230 PEFORMANCE TIP :WARNING F230 ARE LEGIT TO STAMINA AND ATTACK TYPE
even it is not good the rubber perfomance tip like RF IS EASY FOR ATTACK TYPE
SO NOBODY USE F230 IN THE TOURNAMENT COS IT AN PENELTY PERFORMANCE TIP AND IT BANNED
IN EVERYOTHER COUNTRY INCLUEDING IN SHANGHAI,TOKYO AND NEW DEHLI,INDIA
1: how do you know that f230 is banned everywhere other than the US
2: tokyo, shanghai and new dehli are all cities (you dont need to be so specific)
3: f230 is a SPIN TRACK, not a performance tip
4: your post is as clear as mud (it helps to use proper grammer and spelling. Please.)
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:25 PM)Leone19 Wrote:are you serious?(Apr. 12, 2014 11:17 PM)Alpha-Hydranoid Wrote:You'd need to say how many times Diablo won and how it won (KO, OS, etc.)(Apr. 12, 2014 11:12 PM)Leone19 Wrote: You'd need to post tests out of 20 rounds, to show if it is, indeed, an efficient counter.I have done 20 tests (heck, i have been testing for like the last 5 hours). I will be doing more though. I just thought i would give an update.
Sorry for double post
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - 6 God - Apr. 12, 2014
Obviously.
A video really helps too to make sure your launch is good, and to see proof of it actually winning.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Boredomface - Apr. 13, 2014
(Apr. 12, 2014 11:58 PM)TheWhiteTiger Wrote: Obviously.
A video really helps too to make sure your launch is good, and to see proof of it actually winning.
I have nothing to record a video with, otherwise i would.
Wait. I have my iPad. Duh. *facepalm*
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - SupremeDragon - Apr. 25, 2014
(Apr. 25, 2014 3:53 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: Don't quote huge posts.
We're not discussing banning F230GF. We're discussing banning F230CF/GCF mainly because of its power on Genbull Dragooon (TT ORANGE)F230GCF/CF. If a stock ronin dragoon is beating that your doing something wrong or your F230 is fudged.
I'm telling you I've been beating it!!! Probably because I've been battling in the hasbro cyclone stadium.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - DRAGON KING - Apr. 25, 2014
What mold of F230 do you have and what combo are you using with it?
The Cyclone stadiums isn't as good as the zero g attack stadium.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - SupremeDragon - Apr. 25, 2014
Bezerker Behemoth F230 WD. My dragoon really dominates that bey
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - DRAGON KING - Apr. 25, 2014
That why it's winning. That combo is pretty horrible. Use the combo that I told you and you'll get much worse results with your ronin dragooon.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - [)ragon - Jul. 10, 2014
So, does anyone have any more thoughts on this?
I do believe F230's performance in Toronto back in May is decent confirmation of my prediction. I'd especially like to hear from Kei, after having witnessed Dragooon F230 used by MD players.
As far as I heard, it only lost twice out of the dozen or so times it was used, once to a Duo SA165 custom (which was Dark_Mousy's F230, which has shown some function issues recently; anyway, I think we can all agree that such an outcome is abnormal and likely due to a malfunction in one of the combinations), and the second loss was to another F230 combination. Obviously, it took first place.
So, Dragooon F230 lands in Toronto, and cleans house. I'd say that's pretty much the last straw, don't you guys think?
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Leone19 - Jul. 10, 2014
In a sense, a fair reason it was used so heavily and won, was it was used by certain players, with a certain launch, etc. It has never been an issue in that region and only seems to be one in that situation, where other players from different areas (MD, NC, etc.) seemed to be the main people winning with it- considering Sniper and Geetster used Dragoon F230, both from the same region (MD). Those (NC, MD, etc.) are the regions with the biggest issue with it, too.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - Dark_Mousy - Jul. 10, 2014
My f230nwas dorty. I couldn't clean them before Toronto. But F230 was widely used that weekend.
RE: The Case For Banning F230 From Zero-G Tournament Play - RagerBlade - Jul. 10, 2014
Sniper won apparently because he spammed F230 or that's what it said on the thread.