(Jan. 15, 2021  3:01 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  2:57 AM)Admiral W Wrote: It's a common conceit that everything has been as far as writing is concerned. What sets one piece apart from another it's how the writers makes their mark on it. So to say there's no way to make it different isn't actually true. There are multiple directions that could be taken in. So I don't subscribe to that idea.

Describe a compelling  story that could include Arthur.

(Jan. 15, 2021  3:30 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Arthur defently coud've been interesting i see some say he wouldn't you don't that cause the give gwyn all the attention so of course Arthur look lame . yes world domination is something We've seen alot and guess what it still works you know why cause of the way it's written alot of people are like certain anime which has been seen over and over again but you still watch cause of the way it's written which keeps you interested and invest.  give a top tier writers like kubo or oda a character like Arthur and they'll make the most basic am common motive become interesting

(Jan. 15, 2021  3:23 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  3:01 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Describe a compelling  story that could include Arthur.

It would be impossible to go through the entire breath of the story in this one reply, but one of the cornerstones of such a story would deal with why Arthur is so obsessed with strength. He's so adamant about replacing the current system with one focused on strength. Why? The blading world has been terrorized in very recent memory by Phi, I'd have it be from Arthur's point of view the fact that such a threat was allowed to wreak such havoc is because the current system of blading doesn't foster strength. If it had, so many would not have fallen before it was taken care of and by the skin of there teeth at that. Part of reason why he feels so strongly about this, is the fact that someone close to him was a victim of Phi's rampage. This very close person is still struggling with the trauma of what Phi did to them. In fact Arthur is still helping in their recovery. Arthur is operating from a place of fear. He's allowing it to dominate his actions and move him to extremes. He utterly embarrasses Aiger in order to make the point that the blading league is too weak and needs to change to prevent any future threats from arising. The blading world itself would begin to question wether things should stay as they are. I'd add more layers to this and I'd start some of the foundational work from the beginning of the season. This is all preliminary. The main theme of this final arc would be fear and what it drives us to do and what's needed to overcome it.

This is one avenue among many that could be taken.

(Jan. 15, 2021  3:57 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  3:23 AM)Admiral W Wrote: It would be impossible to go through the entire breath of the story in this one reply, but one of the cornerstones of such a story would deal with why Arthur is so obsessed with strength. He's so adamant about replacing the current system with one focused on strength. Why? The blading world has been terrorized in very recent memory by Phi, I'd have it be from Arthur's point of view the fact that such a threat was allowed to wreak such havoc is because the current system of blading doesn't foster strength. If it had, so many would not have fallen before it was taken care of and by the skin of there teeth at that. Part of reason why he feels so strongly about this, is the fact that someone close to him was a victim of Phi's rampage. This very close person is still struggling with the trauma of what Phi did to them. In fact Arthur is still helping in their recovery. Arthur is operating from a place of fear. He's allowing it to dominate his actions and move him to extremes. He utterly embarrasses Aiger in order to make the point that the blading league is too weak and needs to change to prevent any future threats from arising. The blading world itself would begin to question wether things should stay as they are. I'd add more layers to this and I'd start some of the foundational work from the beginning of the season. This is all preliminary. The main theme of this final arc would be fear and what it drives us to do and what's needed to overcome it.

This is one avenue among many that could be taken.

Impossible to do over 20ish episodes 8-7 minutes each. Besides that it’s too focused on Arthur for 7-8 minute episodes. Even if it were to have it’s own rewrite it’s too less time for it to succeed.

(Jan. 15, 2021  4:02 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  3:57 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Impossible to do over 20ish episodes 8-7 minutes each. Besides that it’s too focused on Arthur for 7-8 minute episodes. Even if it were to have it’s own rewrite it’s too less time for it to succeed.

You'd be surprised what you can do with 20 episodes. Shows with far less have told stories with this scope and larger. Just finished watching such a show acutally. So this could certainly succeed and the episodes are 10 minutes.

(Jan. 15, 2021  4:59 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  4:02 AM)Admiral W Wrote: You'd be surprised what you can do with 20 episodes. Shows with far less have told stories with this scope and larger. Just finished watching such a show acutally. So this could certainly succeed and the episodes are 10 minutes.

There’s a reason why Arthur was abandoned and that’s because Gwyn is just far more interesting. Would you rather have the generic villain or this mysterious prodigy who has his world shattered and just doesn’t know what to do anymore. The very obvious option is the second one. Gwyn was simply far more interesting than Arthur and would make a much better villain end of discussion.

(Jan. 15, 2021  5:11 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  4:59 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: There’s a reason why Arthur was abandoned and that’s because Gwyn is just far more interesting. Would you rather have the generic villain or this mysterious prodigy who has his world shattered and just doesn’t know what to do anymore. The very obvious option is the second one. Gwyn was simply far more interesting than Arthur and would make a much better villain end of discussion.

If you prefer Gwyn, that's fine, I'm talking about the potential that could have been mined out of Arthur. He and this final arc could have been taken in interesting directions and that's the whole point I'm making.

(Jan. 15, 2021  6:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  5:11 AM)Admiral W Wrote: If you prefer Gwyn, that's fine, I'm talking about the potential that could have been mined out of Arthur. He and this final arc could have been taken in interesting directions and that's the whole point I'm making.

Without massive character change it’s just not possible. He was just built to 1-d and ridged in character.

(Jan. 15, 2021  7:10 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Who was the better antagonist Arthur or Gwynn

(Jan. 15, 2021  12:29 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  7:10 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Who was the better antagonist Arthur or Gwynn

Gwyn obviously. Arthur didn’t even get a backstory lmao. He was just the shallow “I want to take over the world” guy.

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Arthur could’ve been used more, but it’s very limited since he’s a take over the world character. Not only that but too argue Gwyn’s story is subpar at best is just wrong tbh.

(Jan. 15, 2021  7:10 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Who was the better antagonist Arthur or Gwynn

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:11 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  12:29 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Gwyn obviously. Arthur didn’t even get a backstory lmao. He was just the shallow “I want to take over the world” guy.

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Arthur could’ve been used more, but it’s very limited since he’s a take over the world character. Not only that but too argue Gwyn’s story is subpar at best is just wrong tbh.

Arthur had his problems but if we’re being honest, a lot of backstories ruin villains. They gave Phi a backstory and he was a complete joke after that. They gave one to Gwynn to make him a sympathetic character but that just brought him down IMO. They didn’t need to emphasize sympathy for him because that just makes him less imposing. The concept of being completely devoid of emotion simply because he just is really enforces the factor that makes us go “wow just what is this guy.” Factually the most positively received antagonists in burst are the ones who don’t receive all these super thorough backstories, Lui was just a guy who grew up roughy but ultimately turned out to just be like everyone else, Shu was dissatisfied with his power so he chose a different path to become stronger. Even Lane hasn’t had much criticism to his charatcer, people just don’t like the fact that he beats legends so easily which is an entirely separate problem.

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(Jan. 15, 2021  7:10 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Who was the better antagonist Arthur or Gwynn

Definitely Gwynn, but that’s kind of inevitable seeing as Arthur got sidecasted and was left as a one dimensional charatcer.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:15 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:11 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Arthur had his problems but if we’re being honest, a lot of backstories ruin villains. They gave Phi a backstory and he was a complete joke after that. They gave one to Gwynn to make him a sympathetic character but that just brought him down IMO. They didn’t need to emphasize sympathy for him because that just makes him less imposing. The concept of being completely devoid of emotion simply because he just is really enforces the factor that makes us go “wow just what is this guy.” Factually the most positively received antagonists in burst are the ones who don’t receive all these super thorough backstories, Lui was just a guy who grew up roughy but ultimately turned out to just be like everyone else, Shu was dissatisfied with his power so he chose a different path to become stronger. Even Lane hasn’t had much criticism to his charatcer, people just don’t like the fact that he beats legends so easily which is an entirely separate problem.

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Definitely Gwynn, but that’s kind of inevitable seeing as Arthur got sidecasted and was left as a one dimensional charatcer.

Gwyn was never meant to be a super menacing guy tho so how does it make him less menacing?

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:21 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:15 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Gwyn was never meant to be a super menacing guy tho so how does it make him less menacing?

Not necessarily less menacing just less imposing in general because why should we feel sympathy for a character devoid of emotion? It’s an ironic downplay. He was so much cooler when we didn’t know why he was the way he was because at that point all that stands his is point. He wanted to prove that math and calculations were superior to emotions but loses and is redeemed.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:22 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:21 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Not necessarily less menacing just less imposing in general because why should we feel sympathy for a character devoid of emotion? It’s an ironic downplay. He was so much cooler when we didn’t know why he was the way he was because at that point all that stands his is point. He wanted to prove that math and calculations were superior to emotions but loses and is redeemed.

Gwyn was never devoid of emotion lol. He just didn’t care for friends.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:26 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:22 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Gwyn was never devoid of emotion lol. He just didn’t care for friends.

It’s a metaphorical concept, of course he’s not literally devoid of emotion, that’s not physically possible but he generally wasn’t very emotionally involved and was more concerned with math and logic. It’s pretty clear that friends aren’t the only thing Gwynn seems to ignore, he didn’t like playing video games or resorting to other recreational activities either and he preferred to be alone. The reason he beyblades itself seems to implicitly be because it’s a way to showcase his logical and mathematical skills in a physical way. It’s his way of expressing himself. It’s also the reason as to why he hates Dante, Dante stands for everything Gwynn despises (initially) so it’s natural that he tries to assert his dominance over Dante.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:34 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:26 PM)Zeutron Wrote: It’s a metaphorical concept, of course he’s not literally devoid of emotion, that’s not physically possible but he generally wasn’t very emotionally involved and was more concerned with math and logic. It’s pretty clear that friends aren’t the only thing Gwynn seems to ignore, he didn’t like playing video games or resorting to other recreational activities either and he preferred to be alone. The reason he beyblades itself seems to implicitly be because it’s a way to showcase his logical and mathematical skills in a physical way. It’s his way of expressing himself. It’s also the reason as to why he hates Dante, Dante stands for everything Gwynn despises (initially) so it’s natural that he tries to assert his dominance over Dante.

Gwyn doesn’t hate Dante cause he stands for fun. Gwyn didn’t hate Dante at all, it was a thing he said in the moment. Gwyn was just getting super confused since Dante’s teamwork was getting past his equations. He didn’t want to be confused anymore so he tried to stop him in his tracks by breaking Dragon, but failed.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:39 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:34 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Gwyn doesn’t hate Dante cause he stands for fun. Gwyn didn’t hate Dante at all, it was a thing he said in the moment. Gwyn was just getting super confused since Dante’s teamwork was getting past his equations. He didn’t want to be confused anymore so he tried to stop him in his tracks by breaking Dragon, but failed.

Gwyn definitely hated Dante in a way, not as a person but because Dante believed in friendships and bonding which are definitely products of emotion, as suppose you could say he hated what Dante preached. Dante’s teamwork/friendship are effectively the poetic justice of emotions and relationships defeating math, logic and superiority. He’s confused because he can’t comprehend why his math and logic (what he believed could surpass all else) are failing, he indirectly hates it. No offense but I think you have a very narrow view of this.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:39 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Gwyn definitely hated Dante in a way, not as a person but because Dante believed in friendships and bonding which are definitely products of emotion, as suppose you could say he hated what Dante preached. Dante’s teamwork/friendship are effectively the poetic justice of emotions and relationships defeating math, logic and superiority. He’s confused because he can’t comprehend why his math and logic (what he believed could surpass all else) are failing, he indirectly hates it. No offense but I think you have a very narrow view of this.

Guess I’m not qualified to b in this debate then huh.

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:55 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  1:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Guess I’m not qualified to b in this debate then huh.

Oh cmon man seriously, I didn’t say that of course you are. I just think that you aren’t embracing the bigger picture of this particular topic.

(Jan. 15, 2021  6:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  6:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Without massive character change it’s just not possible. He was just built to 1-d and ridged in character.

The whole point is that it could have been more if not for how they handled the final arc. That's the whole point I'm making.

(Jan. 15, 2021  2:45 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: Honestly there was no need for Gwyn to evolve his bey.

(Jan. 15, 2021  2:47 PM)Pixi Wrote:

(Jan. 15, 2021  2:45 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: Honestly there was no need for Gwyn to evolve his bey.

didnt he want genesis to be the perfect bey or something like that