(Aug. 26, 2017  11:24 PM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2017  7:42 PM)MystMotone101 Wrote: I should be able to start testing Hasbro products by next week, so if anyone has any ideas for combos they want experimented on (based on what has been released and what I have access to), I should be able to do those tests.

Please test hasbro r2 for attack and stalling and z2 for mixed attack and ko attack.also please test hasbro press driver

(Aug. 26, 2017  7:42 PM)MystMotone101 Wrote: I should be able to start testing Hasbro products by next week, so if anyone has any ideas for combos they want experimented on (based on what has been released and what I have access to), I should be able to do those tests.

(Aug. 28, 2017  11:55 PM)AndyHG Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2017  7:42 PM)MystMotone101 Wrote: I should be able to start testing Hasbro products by next week, so if anyone has any ideas for combos they want experimented on (based on what has been released and what I have access to), I should be able to do those tests.

Is Evipero accessible?

(Sep. 01, 2017  2:23 PM)Blader ZK7 Wrote: My Spryzen S2 does reasonably well in Attack...

(Sep. 03, 2017  12:11 AM)MystMotone101 Wrote: Okay, here's the list of parts that I have planned for testing this week.

Roktavor R2- Tornado Stalling and Mixed Attack

Sprizen S2- All forms of Attack

Horusood H2- Stamina and Tornado Stalling

Betromoth B2 (if I get it)- Attack and Defense

Evipero (if I get it)- Defense and Stamina

Doomscizor- Mixed Attack, Stamina, and Tornado Stalling

Odax O2- Attack and Defense

Nepstrius N2- Defense and Stamina

Unicrest U2- Defense

Triple (Forge Disk)- Attack on Valtryek combos

Press- Defense

Claw- Defense

Needle- Defense

Hold- Tornado Stalling



Anything else that needs testing?

(Sep. 04, 2017  11:58 PM)MystMotone101 Wrote: Roktavor R2 Testing

Equipment Used

Launcher: Master Kit String Launcher

Stadium: Standard Type Beystadium Black

R2 always launched last. (No banks or sliding shoot used.)

Tornado Stalling

Roktavor R2 Spread Zephyr

Vs Unicrest Gravity Revolve

R1: U1: Survivor
R2: U1: Survivor
R3: U1: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: U1: Survivor
R6: R2: Over Finish
R7: R2: Survivor
R8: U1: Survivor
R9: U1: Survivor
R10: R2: Over Finish
R11: U1: Survivor
R12: R2: Over Finish
R13: U1: Survivor
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: R2: Over Finish
R16: U1: Burst
R17: U1: Burst
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: U1: Survivor
R20: U1: Survivor

Win Rate: 25%
The only times R2 won were if U1 circled the stadium on Revolve. Other than that, only 1 Survivor Finish in its name at full power.

Tornado Stalling only works if the opposing bey is weak launched, which for the Hasbro metagame, it will not make a difference.

Mixed Attacker

R2 Knuckle Accel

VS U1 Gravity Survive

(Note: R2 launched via Bank Shot)

R1: U1: Survivor
R2: U1: Survivor
R3: U1: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: R2: Survivor
R6: U1: Survivor
R7: R2: Survivor
R8: U1: Survivor
R9: R2: Over Finish
R10: U1: Survivor
R11: U1: Burst
R12: U1: Survivor
R13: U1: Survivor
R14 U1: Survivor
R15: U1: Survivor
R16: U1: Survivor
R17: U1: Survivor
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: U1: Survivor
R20: U1: Survivor

Win Rate: 10%

I don't know why it did this bad in this field at all, despite me banking it.

Both of these results are causing me to believe that R2 might not be good for the Hasbro Metagame. If someone wishes to improve on these tests, please do so.

(Sep. 05, 2017  12:05 PM)Shaady Wrote: Defensive Driver Testing

Equipment used
Launcher: Red and blue sword launcher (alternated each round)
Stadium: Standard burst beystadium white

Both beys were launched full power with the attacking beyblade always launched second with a sliding shoot
It is also worth noting that my variable driver is on its second stage (second layer of shorter spikes)

Evipero
EHP vs V2HV 
18(11os, 7bf) - 2(2ko) with 2 draws
Evipero win rate 90%
EHS vs V2HV 
13(13os) - 7(7bf) with 1 draw
Evipero win rate 65%
EHD vs V2HV 
18(15os, 3bf) - 2(1ko,1bf) with 2 draws
Evipero win rate 90%
EHN vs V2HV 
16(10os,6bf) - 4(1ko,3bf) with 2 draws
Evipero win rate 80%
EHM vs V2HV 
10(9os,1ko) - 10(3ko,7bf) with 3 draws
Evipero win rate 50%
EHR vs V2HV 
10(6os,4bf) - 10(3ko,7bf) with 1 draw
Evipero win rate 50%

Unicrest
UHP vs V2HV 
17(15os,2bf) - 3(3bf) with 2 draws
Unicrest win rate 85%
UHS vs V2HV
10(7os,3bf) - 10(10bf) with 2 draws
Unicrest win rate 50%
UHD vs V2HV
15(9os,1ko,5bf) - 5(5bf) with 4 draws
Unicrest win rate 75%
UHN vs V2HV
14(4os,10bf) - 6(1ko,5bf) with 3 draws
Unicrest win rate 70%
UHM vs V2HV
5(3os,2bf) - 15(1ko,14bf) with 4 draws
Unicrest win rate 25%

Quetziko Q2
Q2HP vs V2HV
15(11os,1ko,3bf) - 5(1os,4ko) with 2 draws
Quetziko win rate 75%
Q2HS vs V2HV
12(6os,6bf) - 8(5os,1ko,2bf) with 1 draw
Quetziko win rate 60%
Q2HD vs V2HV
14(8os,6bf) - 6(1os,2ko,3bf) with 4 draws
Quetziko win rate 70%
Q2HN vs V2HV
12(10os,2bf) - 8(1os,4ko,3bf) with 4 draws
Quetziko win rate 60%
Q2HM vs V2HV
10(10os) - 10(4os,4ko,2bf) with 2 draws
Quetziko win rate 50%

(Sep. 05, 2017  12:05 PM)Shaady Wrote: Defensive Driver Testing

Equipment used
Launcher: Red and blue sword launcher (alternated each round)
Stadium: Standard burst beystadium white

Both beys were launched full power with the attacking beyblade always launched second with a sliding shoot
It is also worth noting that my variable driver is on its second stage (second layer of shorter spikes)

Evipero
EHP vs V2HV 
18(11os, 7bf) - 2(2ko) with 2 draws
Evipero win rate 90%
EHS vs V2HV 
13(13os) - 7(7bf) with 1 draw
Evipero win rate 65%
EHD vs V2HV 
18(15os, 3bf) - 2(1ko,1bf) with 2 draws
Evipero win rate 90%
EHN vs V2HV 
16(10os,6bf) - 4(1ko,3bf) with 2 draws
Evipero win rate 80%
EHM vs V2HV 
10(9os,1ko) - 10(3ko,7bf) with 3 draws
Evipero win rate 50%
EHR vs V2HV 
10(6os,4bf) - 10(3ko,7bf) with 1 draw
Evipero win rate 50%

Unicrest
UHP vs V2HV 
17(15os,2bf) - 3(3bf) with 2 draws
Unicrest win rate 85%
UHS vs V2HV
10(7os,3bf) - 10(10bf) with 2 draws
Unicrest win rate 50%
UHD vs V2HV
15(9os,1ko,5bf) - 5(5bf) with 4 draws
Unicrest win rate 75%
UHN vs V2HV
14(4os,10bf) - 6(1ko,5bf) with 3 draws
Unicrest win rate 70%
UHM vs V2HV
5(3os,2bf) - 15(1ko,14bf) with 4 draws
Unicrest win rate 25%

Quetziko Q2
Q2HP vs V2HV
15(11os,1ko,3bf) - 5(1os,4ko) with 2 draws
Quetziko win rate 75%
Q2HS vs V2HV
12(6os,6bf) - 8(5os,1ko,2bf) with 1 draw
Quetziko win rate 60%
Q2HD vs V2HV
14(8os,6bf) - 6(1os,2ko,3bf) with 4 draws
Quetziko win rate 70%
Q2HN vs V2HV
12(10os,2bf) - 8(1os,4ko,3bf) with 4 draws
Quetziko win rate 60%
Q2HM vs V2HV
10(10os) - 10(4os,4ko,2bf) with 2 draws
Quetziko win rate 50%

(Sep. 05, 2017  5:16 PM)Defensa Wrote: Thank you very much for these tests. I was wondering if you could finish the defense tests by testing K2, Y2, and D2 (I've found some success with this last one). I would do them myself but I don't have as many pieces and only have access to the blue Hasbro stadium.

(Sep. 05, 2017  7:19 PM))Rebel Blader Wrote: So basically press has the best defense out of all drivers and defense and needle are second.surive is ok for stamina-defense hybrid while revolve is good for only pure stamina.

(Sep. 06, 2017  6:17 AM)MystMotone101 Wrote: Horusood H2 Testing

Equipment Used

Standard Beystadium Black B-33

Master Kit String Launcher

Stamina
Horusood H2 Heavy Survive

VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
(Launch order was swapped after every round, and tips were swapped after Round 10.)

R1: U1: Survivor
R2: U1: Survivor
R3: H2: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: U1: Survivor
R6: U1: Survivor
R7: H2: Burst
R8: H2: Survivor
R9: U1: Survivor
R10: U1: Survivor
R11: U1: Burst
R12: H2: Survivor
R13: U1: Burst
R14: U1: Burst
R15: H2: Survivor
R16: U1: Survivor
R17: U1: Burst
R18: H2: Burst
R19: U1: Burst
R20: U1: Burst

Win Rate: 30%

After the swap, it seemed like the other Survive plus H2 led to burst frenzy.

I say it is dependent on the mold of the Survive and Forge disk used with H2 for stamina. It has a chance against Unicrest for a stamina contest.

Tornado Stalling
Horusood H2 Spread Zephyr

VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
(H2 was always launched last, with no bank used.)

R1: H2: Survivor
R2: U1: Survivor
R3: H2: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: U1: Survivor
R6: U1: Survivor
R7: H2: Survivor
R8: H2: Survivor
R9: H2: Survivor
R10: H2: Survivor
R11: H2: Survivor
R12: H2: Survivor
R13: H2: Survivor
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: U1: Survivor
R16: U1: Survivor
R17: H2: Survivor
R18: H2: Survivor
R19: H2: Survivor
R20: U1: Burst (Surprise ending)

Win Rate: 60%

As a Tornado Staller, H2 has a load of potential here against the average Defense/Stamina hybrid. Let's add Spread and see how everything changes for the U1 combo.

VS Unicrest Spread Survive
(Same rules apply)

R1: U1: Burst
R2: H2: Survivor
R3: H2: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: H2: Survivor
R6: H2: Survivor
R7: U1: Survivor
R8: H2: Survivor
R9: H2: Survivor
R10: H2: Survivor
R11: U1: Survivor
R12: U1: Survivor
R13: U1: Survivor
R14: H2: Survivor
R15: U1: Survivor
R16: H2: Survivor
R17: U1: Survivor
R18: U1: Burst
R19: H2: Survivor
R20: U1: Survivor

Win Rate: 50%

The change didn't impact as drastic as expected. Horusood H2 was able to to destabilize Unicrest after a bit of Stalling, which led to some strong wins. The only way H2 lost was through bursting or by Unicrest striking H2 from underneath, causing it to destabilize.


In short, H2 is not the best stamina choice, but as a Tornado Staller, H2 is probably one of the best ones I've seen so far.

(Sep. 06, 2017  1:52 AM)Shaady Wrote:

(Sep. 05, 2017  5:16 PM)Defensa Wrote: Thank you very much for these tests. I was wondering if you could finish the defense tests by testing K2, Y2, and D2 (I've found some success with this last one). I would do them myself but I don't have as many pieces and only have access to the blue Hasbro stadium.

I have not been able to find Y2 yet (australia is very slow to get releases especially as far north as I live). I intend to include K2 at some point but from my personal experience D2 is to prone to bursting to be very effective defensively but if I have time I will include it.

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(Sep. 05, 2017  7:19 PM))Rebel Blader Wrote: So basically press has the best defense out of all drivers and defense and needle are second.surive is ok for stamina-defense hybrid while revolve is good for only pure stamina.

I personally found Press to be my favourite driver for pure defense as it could be launched full power without fearing being bursted. Press has a very tight spring mechanism and easily has the best burst defense of all the defensive drivers. I found defense to be a close second before and then needly. I'm not sure why but survive performed really bad for me in these tests it just seemed too easy to burst, especially a layer that was easier to burst, like unicrest. I only just got a new revolve yesterday as my old one became worn down (which is why only 1 test included revolve) but it didn't appear the best defensively.

(Sep. 06, 2017  11:04 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: Wow could u test hasbro h2 spread zephyr against attack types like v2 heavy variable/accel

Out of needle, defense and press which one has the best stamina?

(Sep. 07, 2017  11:45 AM)Shaady Wrote: D2 Defense tests


D2HP vs V2HV
20(180s,2bf) - 0
D2 win rate 100%
D2HS vs V2HV
15(14os,1bf) - 5(5bf)
D2 win rate 75%
D2HD vs V2HV
14(13os,1ko) - 6(6bf) with 2 draws
D2 win rate 70%
D2HN vs V2HV
15(14os,1bf) - 5(5bf) with 3 draws
D2 win rate 75%
Zeutron Z2 as a mixed attacker
Benchmark:
RHA vs UHS
7(1ko,6bf) - 13(12os,1ko)
Roktavor win rate 35%

Z2HA vs UHS
9(4os,5bf) - 11(11os) with 1 draw
Zeutron win rate 45%

(Sep. 06, 2017  6:17 AM)MystMotone101 Wrote: The change didn't impact as drastic as expected. Horusood H2 was able to to destabilize Unicrest after a bit of Stalling, which led to some strong wins. The only way H2 lost was through bursting or by Unicrest striking H2 from underneath, causing it to destabilize.


In short, H2 is not the best stamina choice, but as a Tornado Staller, H2 is probably one of the best ones I've seen so far.

(Sep. 10, 2017  12:46 AM)Defensa Wrote: I tested Kerbeus Gravity Zephyr as a tornado staller due to its stamina and the fact it doesn't have the best burst resistance to be extremely effective when still. Although in a Hasbro blue stadium it should give an idea.
I am ignoring mislaunches and ties.
Hasbro Blue Stadium
Supergrip launcher (string launcher is weaker.)
Launched Unicrest first.
Kerbeus Gravity Zephyr v. Unicrest Spread Survive
Round 1: K Os
Round 2: K Os
Round 3: K Os
Round 4: K Burst
Round 5: K Os
Round 6: K Os
Round 7: K Os
Round 8: K Os
Round 9: K Os
Round 10: U Os
Switching Forge discs to prove a point.
Kerbeus Spread Zephyr v. Unicrest Gravity Survive
Round 1: K Os (it bursted as soon as U stopped though)
Round 2: K Os
Round 3: K Os
Round 4: K Os
Round 5: K Os
Round 6: K Os
Round 7: U Os
Round 8: K Os
Round 9: K Os
Round 10: K Os

I changed Forge discs because I only have one of each and to make a remark I have experienced from the very beginning of burst. Spread, in my experience, is very burst prone. Take into account that because this is tornado stalling there are barely any hits and they are when the beys are already fairly weak, so bursting, specially for a defensive layer like Unicrest on what some say is a good driver for defense shouldn't occur, yet I have experienced this over and over. When I was trying K_Z against RHS I discovered that although it did okay with Spread, Roktavor was still able to burst him, while when put on Gravity, probably due to the increased weight and extra initial speed, it was able to easily destabilize Roktavor and avoid being bursted. I will perform some other comparison tests for KSZ and KGZ once people suggest the better opponents, bear in mind I recently broke my D2 (RIP) and I don't have many of the most recent beys because I cannot find them anywhere. If others could check the difference in performance between Spread and Gravity (and Heavy for that matter) on tornado stalling combos and just combos in general I'd appreciate it.

TLDR; Spread bursts too much in my opinion and I think Gravity is a better option for stalling.

Sorry for not being able to publish actual tests due to my lack of anything non Hasbro from Burst. Looking forwards to comments and suggestions for future tests as well as tests from you guys.

EDIT: Kerbeus is pretty good at stalling too, forgot that part.

(Sep. 10, 2017  12:56 AM)Mage Wrote: Thx for the testing but could you note which bey got the KOs? 
And possibly the win percentage?

(Sep. 10, 2017  1:25 AM)Jimmyjazz39 Wrote:

(Sep. 10, 2017  12:56 AM)Mage Wrote: Thx for the testing but could you note which bey got the KOs? 
And possibly the win percentage?

i think he was saying Kerbeus won by OS. i was confused for a second too