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RE: Destabiliser Thread - Bluezee - Jan. 04, 2011
(Jan. 03, 2011 2:23 PM)Fyuuor Wrote:(Jan. 02, 2011 6:50 PM)Ultrablader Wrote: How about do it against a 230 combo cause there's very little chance that it will win against that combo. I'm much more interested in seeing if it can get a decent win rate against a 230 combo since that is what it is made to do...
He could always do both if he has the time?
(Jan. 03, 2011 1:46 AM)Venumelion Wrote: I agree. Since we are dealing with 230, I think we should try 135 as a compromise between the usual low and the 145 combos that can beat 230. Could someone do testing using Flame Cancer/Meteo L-Drago 135SF against Earth Bull 230SD/WD and Earth Bull DF145SD/WD please? I would except I don't have a 230 track. Thank you!
Venumelion just say your idea does prove useful against 230 opponents for 135 tracks to be truly useful your idea will need to perform quite consistently and achieve good win rates against traditional 145 opponents and MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF/R2F as well.
In the mean time since you don't have a 230 track you could begin testing against traditional opponents.
(Jan. 02, 2011 3:48 PM)Bluezee Wrote: BTW, I have done more testing with my combo and it has some pretty promising results if 7/10 wins against LL Drago CH120RF mean anything to you.=) I appreciate you making this thread. Destabilizers really do need some shine because they are indeed relevant.
Like Mc Frown I would be extremely interested to see 10 unedited battles against MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF/R2F. It’s not that I’m sceptical of your results but rather if this combo proves to be quite effective against LLDrago and 230 then there might be a chance of this combo cementing a spot within the meta game.
I completely understand. I have been a bit tied up and still am atm but for the most part, by Thursday, I should be able to do all this testing.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Evan - Jan. 04, 2011
What do you guys think of HF for destabilization? It seems to be getting pretty good results around the board.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - milkychipz - Jan. 04, 2011
I still wouldnt choose it over WF for destabilizing.
I think WB, SF and FS are good for Flame based destabilizers, and WF is the only viable choice for MF L Drago 100WF
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 04, 2011
why didn´t you put my tests here?
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ultra - Jan. 04, 2011
Maybe no has noticed this but Burn Cancer 100SF got pretty much exactly the same results as Flame Cancer 100SF
Flame Lion: I asked in your thread and you didn't reply. I'll put them up later today.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ultra - Jan. 04, 2011
Added some more testing.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 05, 2011
Stadium: MFB Attack
Alternate Shots with two light launchers
Flame Bull 100WB vs Earth Bull C145WB
10 Tests
Flame Bull: 90%
Earth Bull: 10%
stamina>Defense so i´m not impressed..also the only win of Earth was a lucky KO..
Flame Bull 100WB vs Burn Bull 100WD
10 Tests
Flame Bull: 80%
Burn Bull: 20%
WB has more stamina compared to SF! and have a fast attack movement like SF so for what i saw against burn he was attacking very well detabilizing the spin of burn also flame did his job...
Final Note: i think WB makes Flame even better and a destabilizer combo BEATS both types defense and stamina once again.. i don´t know why it´s not top-tier...
i was talking of this tests
sorry for double post but i still have something to say: i reformulate my idea of destabilizer´s because i think they are kind of useless because let´s see destabilizer´s beat defense everyone know´s that but also stamina... the thing is destabilizer´s don´t defeat a top-tier stamina combo at lower weights.. atleast they don´t defeat Earth Bull 125/100/90/85... this because Earth is bigger than burn and is more difficult to Flame to reach the track... they may destabilize Earth and Burn with higher tracks but they don´t destabilize them on lower tracks expecially Earth.. so what i´m trying to say is that lower stamina combos are still more useful because they beat defense DESTABILIZERS and other stamina combos what make destabilizer´s useless...
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Aquilaz112 - Jan. 05, 2011
y not just edit the before post
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Shika blade - Jan. 05, 2011
I've seen people use killer fpr destibilizing... Maybe a better wheel for flame? And is unicorno clear wheel good for destibilizing?
RE: Destabiliser Thread - xXKaiouyaXx - Jan. 05, 2011
I did some tests with thermal as a destablizer (In MFB attack Stadium) and the results are as follows:
THERMAL CANCER 100WB vs. BURN BULL DF145SD and WD. (Lauched first every other round with Sonokong Beyblauncher LR)
SD Rounds: Thermal: 9 Burn: 1 (KO came from Burn this time)
Thermal win rate: 90%
WD rounds: Thermal: 8 Burn: 2 (Two KO's from thermal... Wait what?)
Thermal win rate: 80%
only in rounds 9 and 7 Thermal won by KO and WD outspun in 1st and 3rd round.
THERMAL LACERTA 100SF/WB vs. BURN BULL AD145WD (launched first every other round with two light launchers)
(SF) Thermal: 8 Burn:2. One KO from burn, 5 KOs from Thermal.
Win rate: 80%
(WB) Thermal: 8.5 Burn:1.5 One draw, one KO from Thermal.
in rate:
85%
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ga' - Jan. 05, 2011
(Jan. 05, 2011 9:38 PM)xXKaiouyaXx Wrote: I did some tests with thermal as a destablizer (In MFB attack Stadium) and the results are as follows:
THERMAL CANCER 100WB vs. BURN PHOENIX DF145SD and WD. (Lauched first every other round with Sonokong Beyblauncher LR)
SD Rounds: Thermal: 9 Burn: 1 (one KO from thermal)
Thermal win rate: 90%
This repeated itself almost exactly with WD
WD rounds: Thermal: 8 Burn: 2 (Two KO's from thermal... Wait what?)
Thermal win rate: 80%
only in rounds 9 and 7 Thermal won by KO and WD outspun in 1st and 3rd round.
THERMAL LACERTA 100SF/WB vs. BURN BULL AD145WD (launched first every other round with two light launchers)
(SF) Thermal: 8 Burn:2. One KO from burn, 5 KOs from Thermal.
Win rate: 80%
(WB) Thermal: 8.5 Burn:1.5 One draw, one KO from Thermal.
in rate:
85%
Interesting...But one problem. Can you use Burn Bull instead? And can you test this against some top defense types? This is mainly against top stamina combos.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - xXKaiouyaXx - Jan. 06, 2011
The stamina test was edited and redone.
lol I knew someone wouldn't be happy with Burn phoenix..... Sure I'll post a defense vs. destablizer battle. I think Lacerta might be a better destablizer then cancer because of all the juts and high rises. I'll keep working on it.
MF Earth Bull C145WB/CS vs. Thermal Lacerta 100SF
Destabilzer vs. Defense
Tests were made in TT MFB attack stadium, with two light launchers at 100% launch power.
Thermal: 9
Bull (WB): 1 All outspins. Kinda boring to watch.
Win rate: 90%
Against CS
Thermal:9
Bull (CS):1
Win rate 90%
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 06, 2011
stop testing against defense we know they will win... destabilizer´s are useless to me right now lower stamina is better.. they bea defense destabilizers and they can beat aanother stamina combos too...
RE: Destabiliser Thread - blah - Jan. 06, 2011
But lower Stamina is easily beaten by 230.
Anyway, he tested the combo against a Stamina type, not Defence. Read properly.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 06, 2011
no is not:
MF Earth Bull C145WB/CS vs. Thermal Lacerta 100SF
that bull combo is defence..
RE: Destabiliser Thread - blah - Jan. 06, 2011
Thought you were talking about the post above that one ... |:
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 06, 2011
i was not.. but no problem i understood that
RE: Destabiliser Thread - xXKaiouyaXx - Jan. 06, 2011
I was asked to test them against defense types, I meant no disrespect to the thread, sorry if I did something wrong.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 07, 2011
(Jan. 06, 2011 9:21 PM)xXKaiouyaXx Wrote: I was asked to test them against defense types, I meant no disrespect to the thread, sorry if I did something wrong.
just test against stamina or attack next time.. we already know that destabilizers beat defense..
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ultra - Jan. 07, 2011
And we also know that destabilisers are hopeless against a top tier attack combo so what's the point? Also considering there has been very little testing on Thermal as a destabiliser part any testing will be useful. It got quite nice results. Hadn't even considered thermal before now.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 07, 2011
(Jan. 07, 2011 12:51 PM)Ultrablader Wrote: And we also know that destabilisers are hopeless against a top tier attack combo so what's the point? Also considering there has been very little testing on Thermal as a destabiliser part any testing will be useful. It got quite nice results. Hadn't even considered thermal before now.
test it if you want.. i will not waste my time with destabilizers... they are useless.. lower stamina combos beat them easily.. so i will keep testing the stamina game...
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ultra - Jan. 07, 2011
If you think they are useless then stop posting here. Simple as that.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - xXKaiouyaXx - Jan. 07, 2011
It's true, most Destabilizers Lose when put up against 100, 90, 85 or 230 Stamina types. But so far flame and now thermal have been able to OS anything at 145 Height, as well as 135. One of these heights are used very often, so it's good to have a blade that can counter said height. I'll post test results against attack types and low stamina types today, but I'm going to hold off on the 145 attacker till I have Pre-HWS Pegasis.
RE: Destabiliser Thread - Ricko - Jan. 07, 2011
stamina combos at lower weights can beat higher tracks too... no problem..
RE: Destabiliser Thread - xXKaiouyaXx - Jan. 07, 2011
But Destabilizers do it with more finesse and glory! Well not glory, but they look better while OSing an leaning opponent.