(Dec. 10, 2020  2:12 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:10 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: Aiga: Beats Valt, gets a ton of hate. 

Lame Vanilla: Beats Valt, oh yeah that's fine I mean he is an antagonist overall. 

Justifying Aiga is plot armor and granting Lane a clean chit is a clear bias.

I don't like Lane and I don't like how Aiga got plot armor back then.

If Lain didn't beat Valt how would the story progress to him fighting Shu for the first time, one of the major events in Surge? Also I never justified Aiger's plot armor. Don't know where you got that from.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:14 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:12 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: If Lain didn't beat Valt how would the story progress to him fighting Shu for the first time, one of the major events in Surge? Also I never justified Aiger's plot armor. Don't know where you got that from.

I know but the community hated the hell outta the guy I just like how no one speaks for Lane but do for Aiga. That's just lame.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:16 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:14 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: I know but the community hated the hell outta the guy I just like how no one speaks for Lane but do for Aiga. That's just lame.

I never spoke for Aiger? Shut up? Where are you getting this from?

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This argument wasn' t even about Aiger. I just asked a question to prove my point: If Lain didn't beta Valt how would the story progress to Lain fighting Shu, a major event in Surge? Clearly its a good one cause you're just trying to change the subject to Aiger.

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This isn't even an argument. You're just whining and not even trying to prove me wrong.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:23 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:16 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: I never spoke for Aiger? Shut up? Where are you getting this from?

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This argument wasn' t even about Aiger. I just asked a question to prove my point: If Lain didn't beta Valt how would the story progress to Lain fighting Shu, a major event in Surge? Clearly its a good one cause you're just trying to change the subject to Aiger.

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This isn't even an argument. You're just whining and not even trying to prove me wrong.

Bro it was clearly a prediction get out of your feelings🗿. Also Lean has had plot armor this whole season not just with Valt. For instance he beats Lui, then beats 3 legends in a battle royale, then beats Aiga, then Valt. It’s all just random power, just like how Aiga had it in season 3.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:27 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:23 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: Bro it was clearly a prediction get out of your feelings🗿. Also Lean has had plot armor this whole season not just with Valt. For instance he beats Lui, then beats 3 legends in a battle royale, then beats Aiga, then Valt. It’s all just random power, just like how Aiga had it in season 3.

Eh, not really random power when there is an explanation to it, but things like his battle royale win and his Aiga win are kinda bs to name a few.

I feel bad for characters like Sisco, who everyone just glosses over and goes straight to the favs. You can see where the bias is coming from thanks to that.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:33 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:27 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Eh, not really random power when there is an explanation to it, but things like his battle royale win and his Aiga win are kinda bs to name a few.

I feel bad for characters like Sisco, who everyone just glosses over and goes straight to the favs. You can see where the bias is coming from thanks to that.

Silas isnt popular. Having him on screen won't make as much money.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:34 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:33 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Silas isnt popular. Having him on screen won't make as much money.

And? He’s still a legend. Especially when comparing him to a no name blader.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:34 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: And? He’s still a legend. Especially when comparing him to a no name blader.

Why would you compare him to a no name blader, a no name blader can beat a no name blader. Also the point still stands. Hes not as popular. He wont make as much money. Not under their control.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:34 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: And? He’s still a legend. Especially when comparing him to a no name blader.

Why would you compare him to a no name blader, a no name blader can beat a no name blader. Also the point still stands. Hes not as popular. He wont make as much money. Not under their control.

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:10 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Why would you compare him to a no name blader, a no name blader can beat a no name blader. Also the point still stands. Hes not as popular. He wont make as much money. Not under their control.

No name blader as in Lean. Who was nothing but for some reason got noticed by Shu for beating scrubs. Then out of nowhere in his first battle against a blader with a name (Free) he wins. (Though Free had Geist Fafnir). Then he proceeded to never lose again until he battles Shu. It just doesn’t add up no matter how you put it.

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:19 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Ah well we aren't looking at this objectively are we. One thing that I would like to point out is that Lean was a rookie blader when he first met Shu, after that he kept on training with Shu during what I presume to be GT where he challenged free and won. After that he was no longer considered a rookie and in the anime also he was regarded as a very strong blader, who beat the likes of Free. People were taking him seriously at that time, i would safely presume lean has been a student of shu since the beginning /end of GT at the very least. There is a one year timeskip between GT and sparking. Considering all these facts lean doesn't seem to be that overpowered at all.

I get it beating legends always will bring hate, and the way he defeated aiga and in the battle royale, it did seem a bit ridiculous at the very most . But to completely negate what has been said about lean just because he defeated legends is wrong in my humble opinion

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:22 AM)beykid44 Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:19 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Ah well we aren't looking at this objectively are we. One thing that I would like to point out is that Lean was a rookie blader when he first met Shu, after that he kept on training with Shu during what I presume to be GT where he challenged free and won. After that he was no longer considered a rookie and in the anime also he was regarded as a very strong blader, who beat the likes of Free. People were taking him seriously at that time, i would safely presume lean has been a student of shu since the beginning /end of GT at the very least. There is a one year timeskip between GT and sparking. Considering all these facts lean doesn't seem to be that overpowered at all.

I get it beating legends always will bring hate, and the way he defeated aiga and in the battle royale, it did seem a bit ridiculous at the very most . But to completely negate what has been said about lean just because he defeated legends is wrong in my humble opinion

YAAAAAAAAAAAY SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:19 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Ah well we aren't looking at this objectively are we. One thing that I would like to point out is that Lean was a rookie blader when he first met Shu, after that he kept on training with Shu during what I presume to be GT where he challenged free and won. After that he was no longer considered a rookie and in the anime also he was regarded as a very strong blader, who beat the likes of Free. People were taking him seriously at that time, i would safely presume lean has been a student of shu since the beginning /end of GT at the very least. There is a one year timeskip between GT and sparking. Considering all these facts lean doesn't seem to be that overpowered at all.

I get it beating legends always will bring hate, and the way he defeated aiga and in the battle royale, it did seem a bit ridiculous at the very most . But to completely negate what has been said about lean just because he defeated legends is wrong in my humble opinion

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:34 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:19 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Ah well we aren't looking at this objectively are we. One thing that I would like to point out is that Lean was a rookie blader when he first met Shu, after that he kept on training with Shu during what I presume to be GT where he challenged free and won. After that he was no longer considered a rookie and in the anime also he was regarded as a very strong blader, who beat the likes of Free. People were taking him seriously at that time, i would safely presume lean has been a student of shu since the beginning /end of GT at the very least. There is a one year timeskip between GT and sparking. Considering all these facts lean doesn't seem to be that overpowered at all.

I get it beating legends always will bring hate, and the way he defeated aiga and in the battle royale, it did seem a bit ridiculous at the very most . But to completely negate what has been said about lean just because he defeated legends is wrong in my humble opinion

It wasn’t GT when he battled Free. Free stated that he made a new bey solely because he lost to Lain, and we saw his new bey in the beginning of the series, so it would be fair to say around the first episodes of sparking is when Lain beat Free. Also they all had sparking launchers to add to that. It’s completely different where you win you’re first battle against one of the top 4 bladers, then beat No.5, No.6, and No.11 in a battle royale, beat the “Champion” with almost no effort, then beat the No.1 blader. At least it took Aiga 28 episodes to beat Valt while Lean beat them both like it was almost nothing. He clearly has plot armor, also it’s weird that only Hikaru, Hyuga and Lean have thus “flare” thing.

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:34 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: It wasn’t GT when he battled Free. Free stated that he made a new bey solely because he lost to Lain, and we saw his new bey in the beginning of the series, so it would be fair to say around the first episodes of sparking is when Lain beat Free. Also they all had sparking launchers to add to that. It’s completely different where you win you’re first battle against one of the top 4 bladers, then beat No.5, No.6, and No.11 in a battle royale, beat the “Champion” with almost no effort, then beat the No.1 blader. At least it took Aiga 28 episodes to beat Valt while Lean beat them both like it was almost nothing. He clearly has plot armor, also it’s weird that only Hikaru, Hyuga and Lean have thus “flare” thing.

Yeah he used plot armor in the battle royale, but Lain HAD to beat Valt in order to progress the story. That was legitimately the only way to move onto Shu vs Lain. Having Lain lose to Shu and Valt is just overkill cause as you saw losing to Shu only pushed him enough to evolve. Also disregarding bey virtual, only %18 of his battles have plot armor. What a travesty. A menace. A true danger to the frabric of reality. Also I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but yeah its weird Hikaru, Hyuga, and Lain only have flare. They're trying to solve the mystery of flare to other bladers like Valt can get it (Valt specifically actually).

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:47 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Yeah he used plot armor in the battle royale, but Lain HAD to beat Valt in order to progress the story. That was legitimately the only way to move onto Shu vs Lain. Having Lain lose to Shu and Valt is just overkill cause as you saw losing to Shu only pushed him enough to evolve. Also disregarding bey virtual, only %18 of his battles have plot armor. What a travesty. A menace. A true danger to the frabric of reality. Also I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but yeah its weird Hikaru, Hyuga, and Lain only have flare. They're trying to solve the mystery of flare to other bladers like Valt can get it (Valt specifically actually).

That’s literally what plot armor is. If Valt beats Lean then the story changes. You’re proving my point as in Lean “HAD” to beat Valt, for the story to continue as a whole.

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:34 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: It wasn’t GT when he battled Free. Free stated that he made a new bey solely because he lost to Lain, and we saw his new bey in the beginning of the series, so it would be fair to say around the first episodes of sparking is when Lain beat Free. Also they all had sparking launchers to add to that. It’s completely different where you win you’re first battle against one of the top 4 bladers, then beat No.5, No.6, and No.11 in a battle royale, beat the “Champion” with almost no effort, then beat the No.1 blader. At least it took Aiga 28 episodes to beat Valt while Lean beat them both like it was almost nothing. He clearly has plot armor, also it’s weird that only Hikaru, Hyuga and Lean have thus “flare” thing.

Yeah he used plot armor in the battle royale, but Lain HAD to beat Valt in order to progress the story. That was legitimately the only way to move onto Shu vs Lain. Having Lain lose to Shu and Valt is just overkill cause as you saw losing to Shu only pushed him enough to evolve. Also disregarding bey virtual, only %18 of his battles have plot armor. What a travesty. A menace. A true danger to the frabric of reality. Also I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but yeah its weird Hikaru, Hyuga, and Lain only have flare. They're trying to solve the mystery of flare to other bladers like Valt can get it (Valt specifically actually).

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:47 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Yeah he used plot armor in the battle royale, but Lain HAD to beat Valt in order to progress the story. That was legitimately the only way to move onto Shu vs Lain. Having Lain lose to Shu and Valt is just overkill cause as you saw losing to Shu only pushed him enough to evolve. Also disregarding bey virtual, only %18 of his battles have plot armor. What a travesty. A menace. A true danger to the frabric of reality. Also I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but yeah its weird Hikaru, Hyuga, and Lain only have flare. They're trying to solve the mystery of flare to other bladers like Valt can get it (Valt specifically actually).

That’s literally what plot armor is. If Valt beats Lean then the story changes. You’re proving my point as in Lean “HAD” to beat Valt, for the story to continue as a whole.

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:51 AM)Vtryuga Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Yeah he used plot armor in the battle royale, but Lain HAD to beat Valt in order to progress the story. That was legitimately the only way to move onto Shu vs Lain. Having Lain lose to Shu and Valt is just overkill cause as you saw losing to Shu only pushed him enough to evolve. Also disregarding bey virtual, only %18 of his battles have plot armor. What a travesty. A menace. A true danger to the frabric of reality. Also I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but yeah its weird Hikaru, Hyuga, and Lain only have flare. They're trying to solve the mystery of flare to other bladers like Valt can get it (Valt specifically actually).

Valt does not want Flare; I'll put that out there; in the subbed version of episode 32 we see Valt interested in the capability of Hyuga Hikaru and Lean; He wants to see them rise up using flare; He never says he wants Flare

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:47 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Yeah he used plot armor in the battle royale, but Lain HAD to beat Valt in order to progress the story. That was legitimately the only way to move onto Shu vs Lain. Having Lain lose to Shu and Valt is just overkill cause as you saw losing to Shu only pushed him enough to evolve. Also disregarding bey virtual, only %18 of his battles have plot armor. What a travesty. A menace. A true danger to the frabric of reality. Also I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but yeah its weird Hikaru, Hyuga, and Lain only have flare. They're trying to solve the mystery of flare to other bladers like Valt can get it (Valt specifically actually).

That’s literally what plot armor is. If Valt beats Lean then the story changes. You’re proving my point as in Lean “HAD” to beat Valt, for the story to continue as a whole.

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:57 AM)Vtryuga Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  5:47 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: That’s literally what plot armor is. If Valt beats Lean then the story changes. You’re proving my point as in Lean “HAD” to beat Valt, for the story to continue as a whole.

I do not see that as a problem; Plot armour will always be there in every Show in the universe; It is a device used to progress the plot; otherwise the story would remain static. That being said; I do agree with you on the Fact that 2 battles of Lean that being the Battle royale and the battle with Aiga were dissapointing