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RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 28, 2013 11:47 PM)Leone19 Wrote: While they need to learn what's good or not, they should learn with a smile.
I mean, I guess one thing that should be done, is posting with a positive attitude. Again, I, and a lot of others sometimes do not always post 100% super positively. I know I've probably said(and countless other members, too), "That's not a good combo, list all of your parts so we can make you a better one."
This is my point.
RE: Lack of Manners - Dual - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 4:56 AM)diblee123 Wrote:You keep saying "tone tone tone." This is a website, where everything is typed. Tone: A musical or vocal sound with reference to its pitch, quality, and strength.(Aug. 29, 2013 4:22 AM)Kai-V Wrote: These days, we usually do not give warnings the first time. We all understand that new Members might be negligent and have not read the rules, so the first warning usually only comes if they repeatedly break rules after being told not to, or if they do something horrible of course.
I completely agree with you on that, if they repeatedly do it they should be punished, and given a warning level, but with all due respect, when I was a new member and didn't know much, when I was corrected because I was inexperienced, which I am still, the way I got corrected or the tone, made me feel discouraged. The only time I didn't feel like that was when theblackdragon corrected me like I mentioned before.
Therefore, a post should only be taken to mean what it says, and nothing else.
RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 4:58 AM)TakasuMouce Wrote:(Aug. 29, 2013 4:48 AM)diblee123 Wrote: Yes their is, you cannot just say that there tone is not discouraging.
I myself am a witness. When the mods corrected me if gave me a feeling of being discouraged and made me feel scared before I post. And are kids really supposed to be professionals? Keep in minds that beyblade was originally made for kids.
The moderators are only doing their job. I've actually learned a lot from all of them, as a matter of fact.
In my eyes, it seems like you're disregarding the fact that people in the world will always be people who might discourage you. But maybe it's time for you, as the person, to toughen up. The world will always have the good and bad; nice is mean. And sometimes we need to accept that. Letting one small thing bring you down just isn't worth it. Think positive, erase the negati
Moderators use the tone of an adult. They are a lot wiser than us. So, it might just be you're point of view that they're "Too strict," but to me, they're just right. They discourage so you learn. You need strength to move through discouragement. And only the strong achieve greatness in life. They are actually teaching us the realms of reality without themselves noticing! (Unless that is their goal, and everything I know is a lie 0_o)
Like they say; "Rules are rules."
All I want to say is that moderators should correct newbies with kindness, and if some rude member breaks a rule that he knows is wrong, they have all the right to treat him harshly.
Do you now understand what I am saying?
Is it so wrong to speak in a kind tone to new members?
RE: Lack of Manners - SwitchBlayder - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 4:55 AM)Ultramarine Wrote: And baseball was originally just a game for kids.I'm not saying it should be, but do you believe that everyone on this site should have extensive knowledge about posting on a forum before they join? Do you believe it is fair to treat children that are unsure of what and where to post the same way as a more mature individual? I believe we all need to treat each other better, otherwise we end up losing members to this site and eventually the game of beyblade. Do not get me wrong, I love this game and in no way, shape, or form believe that it is a silly little kids game. At the same time we do need to understand the fact that many children do want to participate in tournaments and do want to contribute to our community. Why drive them away, when we can help them grow and learn as bladers? I believe this is a much better approach, not lax and not strict, but a middle ground
Point is, it doesn't matter who it's targeted at, as I said in my previous post, this isn't a lax screw-around forum, whether the toyline it covers is targeted at children or not.
RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 4:53 AM)Switchblad3r Wrote:(Aug. 29, 2013 4:48 AM)diblee123 Wrote: Yes their is, you cannot just say that there tone is not discouraging.I agree, while the mods do not mean to be rude, they (sometimes) don't realize that when typing a correction it can come off as discouraging, depending on diction used. Again like theblackdragon said, a smile does go a long way
I myself am a witness. When the mods corrected me if gave me a feeling of being discouraged and made me feel scared before I post. And are kids really supposed to be professionals? Keep in minds that beyblade was originally made for kids.
Bingo! You got it, and that why I am telling them right now to talk in a good tone.
(Aug. 29, 2013 4:55 AM)Ultramarine Wrote: And baseball was originally just a game for kids.What if I kindargarden teacher talks in that type of tone with her class?
Point is, it doesn't matter who it's targeted at, as I said in my previous post, this isn't a lax screw-around forum, whether the toyline it covers is targeted at children or not.
RE: Lack of Manners - Dual - Aug. 29, 2013
Ok, there can be no tone in any non-verbal situation, read one of my posts above. Posts should be taken to mean what they say, and nothing else.
RE: Lack of Manners - TakasuMouce - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:07 AM)Ultramarine Wrote: Ok, there can be no tone in any non-verbal situation, read one of my posts above. Posts should be taken to mean what they say, and nothing else.
Exactly. This is the Internet. People see things in different perspectives.
My perspectives Speech from earlier:
While I do say that there seems to be "more rudeness" on the forums, I can't say that I wasn't ever rude here. I might not remember it, but someone else might. Or maybe I don't see it as rude, but maybe you do. This brings me to another point; sarcasm doesn't translate online without you saying something like " *Sarcastic tone* " or something. Me and Tri were PMing the other day saying how the words "Haha" could be read in a sarcastic tone, a regular laughing tone, or a mad tone. So, what I'm trying to get at is that rudeness could be perceived differently from different perspectives. The poster might not see their post as rude, but you might. When you tell them they're being rude, they get angry at you, unless they see that they were rude and apologize.
Sometimes I feel people argue with moderators to see how far they can push them, or how mad they can get. It's just like bullying in real life. But I keep seeing more and more new members disrespecting the moderators. *sigh*
What I said earlier:
The theory I have is that the moderator either needs to scare the member into following the rules, or ease them into the rules. Just like if you had a nice teacher, if they ask you to stop texting or eating in class, you're more likely to listen because you have more respect. On the other hand, if you had a mean teacher, you might want to get back at them/talk back. Or, the teacher could be so mean that you get scared of him/her and stay away from them. I think this is what is going on with the forum.
Warm welcome/reason= Good Straightforward/Mean= Bad
The moderators here aren't mean or strict in my eyes, but to a new member still wetting their feet in the forum, they can seem mean. It's like if someone was starting to learn to swim, they wet their feet. But if the swim coach pulls them underwater and forces them to learn that way, they get scared of swimming, just like if the moderator is being too harsh.
This only applies to new members , though. If they have been on the forum for quite a while, any rule violation should be met with straightforward answers/ thread locks.
RE: Lack of Manners - LEGION86663 - Aug. 29, 2013
well i just joined and someone was being very rude to me and i said what was on my mind at the time...and yes, it was not nice now I'm at a 50% warning level because i said what needed to be said to that person. All in all it was the truth...at the end of the day beyblades is a game/toys we all love to play that go back when my mother and dad were kids, I just want to play the game and understand the art of beyblading. Many ppl on this web site are rude they think they know everything as if this was their job....but im glade this topic is out because something needs to be said...thanx!
RE: Lack of Manners - SwitchBlayder - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:07 AM)Ultramarine Wrote: Ok, there can be no tone in any non-verbal situation, read one of my posts above. Posts should be taken to mean what they say, and nothing else.Yes there is... Tone is used in order to convey the feelings of the speaker...
Actually there is! It is widely used by many authors to convey their attitude on a subject to the audience, it is called a literary element and is very useful to any writer
^which one sounds better?
RE: Lack of Manners - TakasuMouce - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:13 AM)Switchblad3r Wrote:But there is a difference between "His heart felt cold after what he had done." and "He felt devestated.(Aug. 29, 2013 5:07 AM)Ultramarine Wrote: Ok, there can be no tone in any non-verbal situation, read one of my posts above. Posts should be taken to mean what they say, and nothing else.Yes there is... Tone is used in order to convey the feelings of the speaker...
Actually there is! It is widely used by many authors to convey their attitude on a subject to the audience, it is called a literary element and is very useful to any writer
^which one sounds better?
In a book, descriptive writing is used. Moderators here are straight forward. Like I said, it all depends on perspective.
RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
Whatever you write online, has a tone. I learned about meaning and tone in 4th grade.
Now even if I am wrong, which way of correcting a newbie is better?
Suppose a new member puts a customization testing thread in the creations forum.
Which reply to his thread is better.
"This does not belong here, you should post it inside the customization's forum, therefore this thread will have to be closed."
"Hi! This forum is for creations! If you have a combo, you should post it in the customization forum where some people can help you test and improve it. Since this does not belong here, we will have to close it, but feel free to post it in the customization forum!
"
RE: Lack of Manners - SwitchBlayder - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:38 AM)diblee123 Wrote: Whatever you write online, has a tone. I learned about meaning and tone in 4th grade.Thank you, Everything you write has a tone. Even though mods are straight-forward it does not hurt to just do this
Now even if I am wrong, which way of correcting a newbie is better?
Suppose a new member puts a customization testing thread in the creations forum.
Which reply to his thread is better.
"This does not belong here, you should post it inside the customization's forum, therefore this thread will have to be closed."
"Hi! This forum is for creations! If you have a combo, you should post it in the customization forum where some people can help you test and improve it. Since this does not belong here, we will have to close it, but feel free to post it in the customization forum!
RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:17 AM)TakasuMouce Wrote:And the perspective of elementary and middle schoolers is that the straight forwardness of moderaters discourages them. Can't anyone understand what I am saying!(Aug. 29, 2013 5:13 AM)Switchblad3r Wrote:But there is a difference between "His heart felt cold after what he had done." and "He felt devestated.(Aug. 29, 2013 5:07 AM)Ultramarine Wrote: Ok, there can be no tone in any non-verbal situation, read one of my posts above. Posts should be taken to mean what they say, and nothing else.Yes there is... Tone is used in order to convey the feelings of the speaker...
Actually there is! It is widely used by many authors to convey their attitude on a subject to the audience, it is called a literary element and is very useful to any writer
^which one sounds better?
In a book, descriptive writing is used. Moderators here are straight forward. Like I said, it all depends on perspective.
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:42 AM)Switchblad3r Wrote:Finally! Your to only person who seems to understand it!(Aug. 29, 2013 5:38 AM)diblee123 Wrote: Whatever you write online, has a tone. I learned about meaning and tone in 4th grade.Thank you, Everything you write has a tone. Even though mods are straight-forward it does not hurt to just do this
Now even if I am wrong, which way of correcting a newbie is better?
Suppose a new member puts a customization testing thread in the creations forum.
Which reply to his thread is better.
"This does not belong here, you should post it inside the customization's forum, therefore this thread will have to be closed."
"Hi! This forum is for creations! If you have a combo, you should post it in the customization forum where some people can help you test and improve it. Since this does not belong here, we will have to close it, but feel free to post it in the customization forum!
And Mods do have the right to scold people who break the rules knowing the consequences.
RE: Lack of Manners - Kai Hiwatari - Aug. 29, 2013
After skimming through the last few pages, I am not sure where it got started, but when I wrote the original post, none of it was targeted at the mods or admins at all. A few years ago, I would have probably included them, but the mods have gotten A LOT better from how it used to be. So, I just wanted to point out that over the last few months where I have been pretty active, I have not seen a situation of a mod being rude or anything of the sort unless the member that was getting warned or receiving a talking to from a mod had repeatedly broken a rule after being told not to on several occasions.
Just thought I would clear that up.
RE: Lack of Manners - Cannon - Aug. 29, 2013
diblee123, you are very hypocritical when it comes to this thread. If you think we should be nicer, you should be too.
Example:
(Aug. 25, 2013 8:09 PM)diblee123 Wrote: 20 rounds is mandatory. It is not a option to do only 10.
What you said about changing your words around to seem nicer, you need to do it.
RE: Lack of Manners - SwitchBlayder - Aug. 29, 2013
Oh I am sorry, my comments were not supposed to be directed mainly at the mods, I actually really like most of the mods! but more towards the other mini-mods. I do see (sometimes) how (some) mods can come off to a first time user as intimidating though, that is all I meant.
cannon is cool!!!
RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
I know I have been a mini mod too, and I was wrong, and I am pretty sure its been mentioned in this thread that everyone has been a mini mod. In my case, honestly, I mini modded because it happened to me. I should never have done that.
Sorry to all the members I have mini modded.
RE: Lack of Manners - Kai Hiwatari - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 5:54 AM)Switchblad3r Wrote: Oh I am sorry, my comments were not supposed to be directed mainly at the mods, I actually really like most of the mods! but more towards the other mini-mods. I do see (sometimes) how (some) mods can come off to a first time user as intimidating though, that is all I meant.
cannon is cool!!!
Oh its no problem, I wasn't really meaning that members were blaming mods or anything, it's just over the last like 2 and a half pages, it seemed that mods being too strict was being mentioned and that is not the message I was wanting people to take away from this thread.
RE: Lack of Manners - Yuko Ray14 - Aug. 29, 2013
One point on this "mini-modding" thing, you have to understand even politely answering a new member's question and telling the where to post next time and putting a
after your post is still mini-modding no matter how you look at it. Also if nobody ever "mini-modded" this entire forum would be filled with spam and bad combos leaving it up to only a handful of people to handle useless threads on top of the work mods already do for the site. I will say this again, you have gotta look at it from the .."mini-mod's" point of view also, some kid keeps posting the same thread over and over, you have to be a little more strict or else they will think the have complete freedom to do and say as they please.
RE: Lack of Manners - diblee123 - Aug. 29, 2013
First of all when I mentioned mini mods it was obvious I meant the ones who spoke in a discouraging way. If you can be a active member who helps the moderators by politely correcting others, go for it! I also said that if someone knowingly breaks a rule, the member SHOULD be punished.
RE: Lack of Manners - Yuko Ray14 - Aug. 29, 2013
Yea diblee123 I knew what you meant haha, Its just that mini-modding is thrown so loosely around so much its turned into a negative thing.
RE: Lack of Manners - SwitchBlayder - Aug. 29, 2013
(Aug. 29, 2013 7:58 AM)Yuko Ray14 Wrote: Yea diblee123 I knew what you meant haha, Its just that mini-modding is thrown so loosely around so much its turned into a negative thing.Yeah makes sense, mini-modding is not really the issue, the issue is how some go about it in some cases.
RE: Lack of Manners - Cannon - Aug. 29, 2013
How would you guys actually define mini-modding?
Someone who tells another user that this is in the wrong spot + reports it is actually fine, since it helps us a lot. We don't have time to go looking at every new thread so it's better that way.
RE: Lack of Manners - SwitchBlayder - Aug. 29, 2013
No not really.. I believe mini-modding is(mostly)when you say that this is in the wrong thread, however we did mention that some other forms of mini-modding is quite helpful. In that case, yes it is. But simply stating that "there is a thread for this already" and then 5 mins. later someone else posts "this thread is going to get closed" it doesn't really help. Or mini-modding with a condescending tone, which will just turn people away from this site. In your case cannon, the way you approach a problem IMO is very respectful and self-aware of the people it concerns and I thank you for that.
mini-mod: Basically taking on a mods job for yourself.
RE: Lack of Manners - DefStamina88 - Aug. 29, 2013
Mini-modding, in my eyes, is when you correct a person for a mistake, like posting in the wrong spots or posting a thread that's not needed, and direct them to a better place or suggest a better idea. I consider it criticism when the person does not help lead the person to the right spot, and it's extreme criticism if they belittle the poster further for being wrong.
With what Kai-V said earlier, I think the thing saying that combos that are good and not good aren't a matter of opinions, is something I disagree with. Maybe the combo does work, or maybe they just get extremely lucky and win with that bad combo. I understand that opinions really don't matter, and that facts are more important, and it might be true, but it can't be ruled out that maybe the combo does in fact work for just that one person. That brings me back to posting bad combos in BMOC2. Maybe he or she's making the suggestion based off of himself/herself, without taking into consideration of the mass population on here. The combo dominates anything he/she fights, and sucks when someone else tries to use it.
I see where Kai-V is coming from, and it's true; all combos that are top tier are tested thoroughly, but just because this kid over here is beating people with a Poison Scorpio M145 Q, and nobody else can win with it, doesn't mean that the combo is automatically bad. That kid just has the ability to do well with it.