Girago/Revizer Dragooon E230GCF/CF

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RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ocean - Aug. 13, 2013

Why don't you test against left spin? If no one can't, then I will test in two weeks or more Unhappy

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 13, 2013

Ok? So who's in charge of this combo? Ya'll are? Tongue_out

jk anyway you all are talking about Girago Dragooon F230/E230 GCF/CF? But I'd appreciate it if ya'll could show me some tests? Smile

that would be nice

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - [)ragon - Aug. 13, 2013

Just some of my thoughts on this combo... Smile

Pros:

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Cons:

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Things that I think would make this better are:

Change the tip to GCF. This is a no-brainer, IMO. GCF is much faster, it has higher traction due to the wider surface area, and it can remain upright longer than CF in a spin-equalizing situation.

Change the bottom chrome wheel to Girago. Girago has low recoil, and relatively high smash as well, along with passable stamina for a synchrome and that "grinding" effect that can help a lot when it comes to a same-spin matchup.

Wink

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Tri - Aug. 13, 2013

I especially agree with switching Reviser with Girago. I wish I could test against left spin just to see what it does but I only have one Dragooon.

I might do some tests later but they'll have to be against some right spin attacker or something.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 13, 2013

So if I make these changes do I have to change my thread name or make a new one?
I don't have Girago but I'm going to buy one off Amazon right now Smile

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Tri - Aug. 13, 2013

No, you could put Reviser/Girago in the title depending if Girago does as good or better than Reviser in this combo.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 13, 2013

(Aug. 13, 2013 8:24 PM)Tri Wrote: No, you could put Reviser/Girago in the title depending if Girago does as good or better than Reviser in this combo.

Ok but I change the tip too right? GCF/CF

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - 6 God - Aug. 13, 2013

(Aug. 13, 2013 8:45 PM)ryukiba Wrote:
(Aug. 13, 2013 8:24 PM)Tri Wrote: No, you could put Reviser/Girago in the title depending if Girago does as good or better than Reviser in this combo.

Ok but I change the tip too right? GCF/CF

Yep gcf will add better win rates against stamina types most likely.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 13, 2013

(Aug. 13, 2013  8:51 PM)Kyler_the best Wrote:
(Aug. 13, 2013  8:45 PM)ryukiba Wrote:
(Aug. 13, 2013  8:24 PM)Tri Wrote: No, you could put Reviser/Girago in the title depending if Girago does as good or better than Reviser in this combo.

Ok but I change the tip too right? GCF/CF

Yep gcf will add better win rates against stamina types most likely.

Cool!

I'll change my thread name once I get Girago! Smile

Ok I bought the Ultimate DX set BBG-25!! Grin

it'll be coming in the mail around September 10th- October 1stðŸ˜€ why does it have to take soo long!?ðŸ˜

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 14, 2013

Sorry for double posting

(Aug. 11, 2013 6:00 AM)ryukiba Wrote:
(Aug. 11, 2013 3:28 AM)Kyler_the best Wrote: Can u test vs. Balro Balro tr145/r145/w145/gb145 MF? IIRC Balro kills e230 something with more stamina could possibly OS it. Since its kind of a Balro counter it would be helpful to test against all Balro combos.

I was able to test it against Balro Balro W145MF. It's in the OP. Tomorrow I'm going to test it out against Balro Balro GB145/CH120 MF

I was able to do test Revizer Dragooon against Balro^2 CH120MF and Wyvang^2 BD145RSF It's in the OP Smile

I was able to test it against Balro^2 GB145MF Smile

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Super%Sayian - Aug. 17, 2013

boost mode or regular?

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 17, 2013

E230 is in Boost mode

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Super%Sayian - Aug. 17, 2013

(Aug. 17, 2013 5:43 AM)ryukiba Wrote: E230 is in Boost mode

if your going to use girago did you consider normal for atk potential?

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 17, 2013

Ok I'll do that! Smile

thanks

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - diblee123 - Aug. 19, 2013

This combo is great! Nice to see more Dragooon combos.
GCF would be a upgrade to this combo, no doubt.
And Girago seems like the best chrome wheel to replace Revizer with, because of the reasons others have mentioned. But for the sake of tests, could someone do a comparison with Girago Dragooon E230GCF and Wywang Dragooon E230GCF.
Personally, I think Girago is a better and safer choice.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ocean - Aug. 19, 2013

Ryukiba when I get a E230 and my BB-10 come I can test against left spin for you (I have 2 Dragooons). It will be in a month or so Unhappy

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 19, 2013

Ok thanks AZL Smile

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 19, 2013

(Aug. 11, 2013 3:28 AM)Kyler_the best Wrote: Can you test vs. Balro Balro tr145/r145/w145/gb145 MF? IIRC Balro kills e230 something with more stamina could possibly OS it. Since its kind of a Balro counter it would be helpful to test against all Balro combos.

I did some
Am I missing any Balro combos?

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - 6 God - Aug. 20, 2013

None I'm aware of, but you can just look around or if anyone else has ideas.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - diblee123 - Aug. 20, 2013

Can someone test Girago Dragooon E230GCF against Wywang Wywang GB145R2F?
I remember hearing somewhere Wywang has trouble with E230.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - [)ragon - Aug. 21, 2013

(Aug. 20, 2013 9:52 PM)diblee123 Wrote: Can someone test Girago Dragooon E230GCF against Wywang Wywang GB145R2F?
I remember hearing somewhere Wywang has trouble with E230.

It does.

My testing equipment is out of commission at the moment, but I can tell that it would be able to take Wyvang down. GCF provides higher speed and traction dues to its larger surface area, as well as a more efficient ability to remain upright at low spin velocity... and, considering the formal testing with CF against Wyvang, I'd say it will definitely win.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 21, 2013

What theblackdragon said is true, Wyvang^2 GB145R2F will definitely lose to this combo but I'll test it for you once I get Girago! Smile

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - diblee123 - Aug. 22, 2013

(Aug. 21, 2013 1:48 AM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Aug. 20, 2013 9:52 PM)diblee123 Wrote: Can someone test Girago Dragooon E230GCF against Wywang Wywang GB145R2F?
I remember hearing somewhere Wywang has trouble with E230.

It does. My testing equipment is out of commission at the moment, but I can tell that it would be able to take Wyvang down. GCF provides higher speed and traction dues to its larger surface area, as well as a more efficient ability to remain upright at low spin velocity... and, considering the formal testing with CF against Wyvang, I'd say it will definitely win.

Thanks!

I really like this combo and I was worried about Wywang Wywang destroying this.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - lovesick - Aug. 23, 2013

Actually, Attack should have gotten this.

Ryukiba, you have actually done this wrong in technique.

There are several differences in slide shooting and the wide launch.

Slide Shoot

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Wide launch

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In same spin battles, the recoil between beys is significantly higher, so an attack blader would choose a technique that maximizes contact with the opponent,whereas the wide launch would have been redundant. In a opposite spin matchup where the recoil is lessened because of spin equalization(where spin velocity is constantly exchanged), one would change to a technique where there is more speed but with less contact in order to finish the opponent off by destabilization or ko, because it does not have enough raw power to ko it.

Right now, as tests were done with the sliding shoot, there is less power behind the opposing attack bey. Now I will do some tests to explain.

Equipment

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Tests

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Don't refer to the below benchmark. That was done when I was hyper.
I hope this helps for future testing.

RE: Revizer Dragooon E230CF - Ryukiba - Aug. 24, 2013

Well this combo mostly used to counter rubber tips? Uncertain

and I don't know how to do a wide launch? Uncertain