(Feb. 28, 2013  2:52 AM)Ingulit Wrote: If there is more than one round, you can totally pick the same Beyblade twice! That must be why everyone is saying this is like the deck system! I'll make this more clear in the OP.

The point of this ruleset is exactly what you said, you select up to three Beys and then only use one per round. If you have more than one Beyblade, at the end of each round, you're ALLOWED to switch Beyblades, but you by no means have to!

(Feb. 28, 2013  4:07 AM)Wombat Wrote: If the players have the exact same knowledge about the metagame, but one has more access to modern parts, their Killerken Killerken BD145CS will win against LLD CH120RF.

(Nov. 08, 2015  8:03 PM)Wombat Wrote:

• Parts/Customization: Involves owning or borrowing the necessary parts/equipment to be a "competitive" Beyblader and knowledge of how to optimize these parts to build the most powerful customs you can. Obviously a Blader who has access to all of the parts on the Competitive Customs list and knows which combos perform better in which areas will have an advantage over an understocked or less knowledgeable player.
  
• Prediction: Involves making an educated guess or prediction of what Beyblade your opponent will use next, and choosing your own Beyblade accordingly. Factors that contribute to this include knowing or observing your opponent's "behavior" in tournaments (what type of combos they tend to use) and knowledge of how matchups work.
  
• Application: Involves using launching techniques/applying your knowledge to the actual battle. Examples include Sliding Shoot vs. Tornado Stalling, launching Defense types aggressively, Gattyaki, Weak Launching, etc.
  

(Nov. 08, 2015  8:50 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: Exhibition Format

- Each Blader comes prepared with five complete Beyblade customs, each with a different Layer

- Both Bladers are given three minutes to examine their opponent’s five combos, write notes, etc

- After 3 minutes have elapsed, each Blader secretly picks three Bey from their set of 5 to serve as their “deck” for the match, with one designated as the Starter. This Deck is revealed to the judge, but not the other player. All five Beyblades should be kept together so that the opposing Blader is unaware of the Deck’s true contents.

- A Bey is eliminated from play once it has been defeated three times.

- When a Blader’s Bey is eliminated from play, they must secretly select another Bey from their Deck. AFTER they do so but BEFORE they reveal their selection, the victorious player must declare if they will switch to another Bey in their Deck or continue with the victorious Bey.

- Once a Blader no longer has any Bey remaining in their deck, they lose the Exhibition Battle.

(Nov. 09, 2015  10:30 PM)UltimateOrion Wrote: What if a player only had 1 beyblade? Would they use that same one the whole time?

Not sure if i like this, but maybe in the future it can be a seperate format. Also, the tournament would probably take longer if this format was used.

Quote:In the current state prediction relies on a few things: your knowledge of the metagame and your knowledge of the player. In a format where one combination has an extremely high win rate you have a pretty good idea of what your opponent will be playing. Therefore, you can adapt your custom to be able to "beat the meta." Now we need to observe if this is actually a good thing.

For example if you enter a tournament with a single custom that is "anti-meta" you have a good chance yes off beating what you set out to beat. But you will be faced with a situation that you have a high likelihood of losing too anything else; an example of this was MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230WF/MF.

This had a very good match up against Lightning L'Drago but generally lost to tier 1.5/2 combos. I personally misjudged the Newcastle meta in my first tournament,, piloting this combo in the days where Lightning L Drago I felt confident in winning most of my games- I analysed the meta and concluded that I should beat Lightning L Drago which took a considerable portion of the top spots.

In reality what happened was I versed no L'Drago customs and subsequently after analysing what the Newcastle meta went on too winning my next few games, barring one. This is not a healthy game state. The current state of analysis is unpredictable at best. People are put of playing combinations that are ant/not meta for the fear of being locked out of being able to change should they be in an unfavourable matchup

(Nov. 10, 2015  1:11 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: EDIT: Just finished reading the full thread Kai-V linked. Mandatory reading, for sure – some of the most interesting thoughts I've seen on competitive Beyblade from both sides of the argument.

Quote:What I am wondering is if the opening post here should not have been posted in that topic first, because this is really a continuation or duplicate of at least a very similar subject ...

(Nov. 10, 2015  2:02 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: I seriously can't fathom trying to explain that to new players, or even intermediate ones – I had to read it multiple times to understand exactly what you were suggesting. It sounds extremely complicated.

(Nov. 10, 2015  2:02 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: I also don't see how it's going to lead to certain slots containing certain kinds of Beyblades?

(Nov. 08, 2015  8:03 PM)Wombat Wrote: This is more or less the same idea proposed in this thread, but it's still cool that other people are thinking about it. I replied to the original thread, but seeing as how I am more mature (hopefully) and experienced with Beyblades/tournaments I'll toss my opinion out there again.

The way I see competitive Beyblade, there are three main components in deciding a match:

• Parts/Customization: Involves owning or borrowing the necessary parts/equipment to be a "competitive" Beyblader and knowledge of how to optimize these parts to build the most powerful customs you can. Obviously a Blader who has access to all of the parts on the Competitive Customs list and knows which combos perform better in which areas will have an advantage over an understocked or less knowledgeable player.
  
• Prediction: Involves making an educated guess or prediction of what Beyblade your opponent will use next, and choosing your own Beyblade accordingly. Factors that contribute to this include knowing or observing your opponent's "behavior" in tournaments (what type of combos they tend to use) and knowledge of how matchups work.
  
• Application: Involves using launching techniques/applying your knowledge to the actual battle. Examples include Sliding Shoot vs. Tornado Stalling, launching Defense types aggressively, Gattyaki, Weak Launching, etc.
  

And the best Beybladers must be proficient in all three of these to win consistently; having only one or two of the three is not enough to be successful. An example (albeit one that unfortunately uses myself) would be my performance in Beydays 2012: I was relatively well stocked vs. the opponents in my Block and could put together top-tier combos, even though it was my first tournament I observed what my opponents used and predicted fairly well, but my application was utter carp. Angry Face, most notably, was able to exploit that when he beat me with a (technically) stock Thief Phoenic.

Using this ruleset, from my understanding, both Beybladers show their opponent and the Judge up to three combos they may use during the battle. There are then several rule variations that could potentially be retooled to emphasize one or more of the three components I mentioned over another (Note for all of these examples I'm using the hierarchy round < match < battle, where each match is what is currently considered a battle (best 3/5) and a battle can be either two or three matches):

• Can Beyblades be re-used during a battle? - Despite the three-Beyblade system easing prediction to a more literal "rock-paper-scissors" game, if Beyblades can only be used once in a battle, it makes prediction much more stressful. If you pick a bad matchup, you won't have that potentially useful Beyblade to bail you out later. If Beyblades are reusable then the system is much more forgiving of poor predictions.
  
• Can Beyblades be disassembled in between matches? - This is important for parts that are useful for multiple combos (Metal Faces, RF, Dragooon, BD145, B:D, Wyvang, etc.) and people who don't buy a ton of duplicates, if any. If someone wants to use Bahamdia Dragooon BD145R2F and Girago Dragooon B:D but only has one Dragooon they will have to choose which combo to use for the battle. If they can disassemble they can use Dragooon on both combos, as long as they are the exact same combos presented to the Judge/opponent earlier (maybe they could be written down or something?).
  
• Will the winner be decided through match wins (best 2/3) or through round wins (like a Team Battle)? - Depending on how this system is scored it could put more emphasis on application. If it is cut-and-dry, best 2/3 matches, then prediction becomes more important to get your opponent in a bad matchup. If it is scored like a Team Battle, players have more of an incentive to try and fight their way out of a bad matchup, because even if they still lose 2-3 they will only be down "2-3" rather than "0-1".
  

The last factor I can think of how this would take a lot more time than a normal tournament now, so I think if this is ever implemented it should be a trial run like the F230CF/GCF ban. Depending on the decisions made about those rules I listed above this ruleset could be beneficial.