(Jul. 31, 2016  7:07 PM)Zoroaste Wrote: You would use War Bear because Hasbro Twin Horn is very rare and expensive. It is simply not an option for some people. War Bear seems to be the next best thing for a defensive zombie, even in left spin, because you can still use Saucer and it's still pinched well, even though it points in the wrong direction. Takara Twin Horn would be better for stamina, but also expensive and also pretty easy to KO.

(Jul. 31, 2016  7:38 PM)Zoroaste Wrote: I have looked at his blog many times, we all have. While he may have contributed more to the plastics metagame than any other person, I would not take his findings as the word of god. The ability to use Saucer covers up the imperfections of War Bear for the most part IMO and makes it better than the other choices for defense. Without it, you are much more easily KOed
Right, for stamina you would want those other choices, or ideally the more expensive Takara Twin Horn, but for defense, which also has pretty darn good stamina, which makes it a better overall choice becasue of it's versatility, you want Saucer

(Jul. 31, 2016  7:38 PM)Zoroaste Wrote: I have looked at his blog many times, we all have. While he may have contributed more to the plastics metagame than any other person, I would not take his findings as the word of god. The ability to use Saucer covers up the imperfections of War Bear for the most part IMO and makes it better than the other choices for defense. Without it, you are much more easily KOed
Right, for stamina you would want those other choices, or ideally the more expensive Takara Twin Horn, but for defense, which also has pretty darn good stamina, which makes it a better overall choice becasue of it's versatility, you want Saucer

(Jul. 31, 2016  6:42 PM)RDF3 Wrote: Why the heck would you use Galzzly's main AR though? Those spikes do nothing but add recoil IMO. If you can, get Hasbro's Twin Horn (the one with the S-AR support) and use that and Dragon Saucer SAR. If you don't want to spend money though, Tiger Defenser works well in left.

DrigerGatling is correct though- Wide Defense and Survivor are vital and cannot be subsituted. Get those.

You then need to replace the Neo Right SG Casings on Double Bearing Core with left, put your two NSK shield bearings in it, add Wolborg 2's shaft, and you get this combination:

AR: Twin Horn
S-AR: Dragon Saucer SAR
WD: Wide Defense
SG: Neo Left SG (Double Bearing Core)
SG Shaft: SG Bearing Version 2 (Wolborg 2 Shaft)
BB: Defense Grip Base 2

Which is a defensive zombie: it can handle Driger V2 handily but cannot, unfortunately, handle Circle Survivor defense well.

@DrigerGatling: Defense Grip Base 2 does have better LAD but Customize Grip Base provides better defense with it's Support Parts. DGB2 is better for zombies, while CGB is better for Defensive Zombies IIRC.

On a related note, has anyone tested Dragon Breaker with it's own SAR yet? I'm curious as to how it performs.

(Jul. 18, 2016  2:35 PM)Izhkoort Wrote: How much could cost an used blue Master Dragoon and an used Ice Blue Wolborg 4?

Would be better to buy a NIP Wolborg 4 even if an used one works well?

(Jul. 31, 2016  8:50 PM)Zoroaste Wrote: Twin Horn is better. It has better weight distribution, covers the bey more completely and has fewer potential contact points than Tiger Defenser and Metal Dranzer AR. Th!nk even says it pretty much, although it's kind of confusing to read, because I don't think he comes right out and says the best stamina AR, but kinda says it in so many words
That said, I don't think it's a gigantic difference. If you are on a budget, Tiger Defenser is fine

(Aug. 01, 2016  8:03 PM)RDF3 Wrote:

(Jul. 31, 2016  8:50 PM)Zoroaste Wrote: Twin Horn is better. It has better weight distribution, covers the bey more completely and has fewer potential contact points than Tiger Defenser and Metal Dranzer AR. Th!nk even says it pretty much, although it's kind of confusing to read, because I don't think he comes right out and says the best stamina AR, but kinda says it in so many words
That said, I don't think it's a gigantic difference. If you are on a budget, Tiger Defenser is fine

Twin Horn has been one of the best choices for Zombie ARs for years XD. Metal Dranzer's AR (Scissor Attacker) and Tiger Defenser are cheaper options though.

Quote:And as for FIREFIRE, Driger V2 uncustomized is very strong, so be careful. I'd go with Customize Grip Base and Cross Survivor (Dranzer V2) or Defense Ring (Voltaic Ape), since IIRC it's better against upper. And don't bother with War Bear's core-AR, it's pretty much outclassed.

(Aug. 01, 2016  10:50 PM)Ultra Wrote: Me and Zoroaste (and probably RDF3) were talking the Takara one so RDF3 was correct. Also as for the how zombies work in the physics of it and latching and all, considering the fact that Tiger Defencer and other round ARs work great I don't know how much I buy it really (not a lot).

(Aug. 03, 2016  9:02 AM)RDF3 Wrote: War Bear is actually decent, so I was wrong. It's on page 4 of the Plastics random thoughs thread. I'm still convinced that for Defensive Zombies, War Bear</=War Lion<Hasbro Twin Horn (with Dragon Saucer SAR btw) though.

And as for Cross Survivor, it provides better Defense against Upper Attack while Survivor Ring is better for LAD in opposite spin.

Be careful with Driger V2 though- even opposite spin isn't a guaranter that you will beat it. It has serious upper attack and a bit of smash attack too iirc, is decently heavy (good defense) and it doesn't do bad with survival too with it's metal tip. Defensive Zombies (left spin, WB2 shaft+Cross Survivor/Defense Ring/Survivor Ring+ CGB)will be able to smack it no problem, but most stamina-focused zombies (Wolborg 1 shaft/BK Shaft) will bite the dust.

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