(May. 21, 2018  1:18 AM)TakoWako Wrote:

(May. 21, 2018  12:35 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: Ok.

K 7CAt (First) vs (Left Spin) LS3 7MH (Second Sliding Shoot): TakoWako
F3 PAt (First) vs (Left Spin) LS3 7MH (Second Sliding Shoot): TakoWako
G3 7CAt (First) vs (Left Spin) LS3 7MH (Second Sliding Shoot): TakoWako

These look good to you?

Also, about the test regarding LS3 7MX, not sure exactly why, but I think it's used way more often than LS3 7MH.

I have several tests for Left Spin and Right Spin LS3 in this link, so check it out whenever you get the chance and let me know if you want to edit any of those tests or add some new ones: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Z4rMcSsGOtk8HK84_R9N6ZEHXT7bvg3CaJ3ZMeu6vE/edit#gid=1467377974

Thanks.

Yeah, Thats good. The S3 combo i wasn't sure about because the combos uses S3.

(May. 21, 2018  11:15 PM)TakoWako Wrote: True, but interesting how it beat G3 7C At, I wonder with some adjustments we could make something work

(May. 21, 2018  11:21 PM)TakoWako Wrote: Oh, thought those were sleep outs.

(May. 06, 2017  7:03 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Has anyone managed to get Hasbro's Xcalius and Xtreme yet? They might be good additions here but we need confirmation on their performance.

If Hasbro's Xtreme is good, then maybe a Unite based defense combo could be placed here (with a warning to use only against Xtreme based attackers due to stamina)

(May. 22, 2018  12:36 AM)Lucifer\s Spawn Wrote:

(May. 06, 2017  7:03 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Has anyone managed to get Hasbro's Xcalius and Xtreme yet? They might be good additions here but we need confirmation on their performance.

If Hasbro's Xtreme is good, then maybe a Unite based defense combo could be placed here (with a warning to use only against Xtreme based attackers due to stamina)

the Hasbro xtreme tip is pretty good in odax o2.tripple.xtreme. the unite tip is also pretty good if u ask me.

(May. 22, 2018  9:43 AM)Defensa Wrote: Since G3 has been banned I think it's a good time to post a new list, and given that Kerbeus has been found to be a hard counter to F3 I think it's fair to add it to the list until new better layers for stamina are released or G3 gets unbanned. Here's my suggested update to the previous list:


==Attack==
Legend Spryzen S3 2/4/5/7 Meteor/Vortex Xtreme/Hunter/Variable
Xcalius X3 1/2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive/Meteor/Vortex Xtreme/Hunter/Weight/Variable/Atomic/Needle/Trans
Added Variable and weight. Weight is quite good for stationary attack and a worn hasbro variable is very fast and can be controlled to an extent
Things to look for: Roktavor, D3 and Trident. Especially roktavor and trident because of lack of stationary attack options
==Defense==
Fafnir F3 2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive Atomic/Hold
Added Hold because it has equal pressicision to atomic and is mobile

==Stamina==
Kerbeus 2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive Atomic/Orbit 
Jormuntor J2 2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive Atomic/Orbit
Unicrest 2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive Atomic/Orbit 
Cognite C3 2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive Atomic/Orbit
Added orbit cuz its tighter than Atomic. Also added other layers wwith stamina nearly equal to K. 

(May. 22, 2018  2:03 PM)Defensa Wrote: Is 8 better than 2/4/5/7? As far as the wiki goes, it is recommended for collection purposes only, with 4 and 7 as better alternatives. I know J2 is pretty good, but I am unsure if there's testing that supports it being useful competitively against Switchstrike beys. And given Needle is outclassed by Atomic, testing should be done to show that your combo is able to defeat Switchstrike beys.
And if it is for purely Burst defense, wouldn't something like 4 or 7 further aid that burst resistance rather than pairing it with a core disk that is prone to bursting?
I haven't done the testing myself, so I'm just saying what I can find on the wiki and the testings I have seen. If you can perform some tests so we can add J2 to the top tier list showing how it performs well against X3 or LS3 (right spin) that'd be greatly appreciated. I'll look through old tests to see if I can find anything and edit my post accordingly.

(May. 24, 2018  1:55 AM)MWF Wrote: Well J2.7C.At is a beast. I was just random testing it against my two attack combos (S3.7M.X and D3.8G.H) and it can get KOed by hold's speed but otherwise it has the upper hand against that combo. S3, it can get strong hits but always loses its patern before a bursting impact. The one time it got a burst was because it bounced up and hit from above then it hit it again and bursted it. Otherwise the farthest the S3 combo got J2 was 3/4th the way to bursting.

(May. 24, 2018  2:43 PM)Lucifer\s Spawn Wrote: what do you mean by second sliding shoot? Do u mean what shu does as red eye in burst evolution, or what?

(May. 24, 2018  2:55 PM)kjrules17 Wrote:

(May. 24, 2018  2:43 PM)Lucifer\s Spawn Wrote: what do you mean by second sliding shoot? Do u mean what shu does as red eye in burst evolution, or what?

It means that the Bey was launched second and with a sliding shoot or bank shoot. Hope that helped!

(May. 24, 2018  5:00 PM)Lucifer\s Spawn Wrote:

(May. 24, 2018  2:55 PM)kjrules17 Wrote: It means that the Bey was launched second and with a sliding shoot or bank shoot. Hope that helped!

By bank shoot you mean angled shoot, right?

(May. 24, 2018  10:57 AM)Defensa Wrote:

(May. 24, 2018  1:55 AM)MWF Wrote: Well J2.7C.At is a beast. I was just random testing it against my two attack combos (S3.7M.X and D3.8G.H) and it can get KOed by hold's speed but otherwise it has the upper hand against that combo. S3, it can get strong hits but always loses its patern before a bursting impact. The one time it got a burst was because it bounced up and hit from above then it hit it again and bursted it. Otherwise the farthest the S3 combo got J2 was 3/4th the way to bursting.

This is one of the tests I asked KJ for, been asking for tests to narrow down the best options for attack in the current Hasbro meta.

J2 7CAt (First) vs (Right Spin) LS3 7MX (Second Sliding Shoot): Defensa
- J2 7CAt: 8 SFs, 1 BF (45% Win Rate)
- LS3 7MX: 7 BFs, 4 SOs (55% Win Rate)

This was the only test J2 technically lost, although 45/55 is basically a tie. You should check out the tests I've asked for in his spreadsheet.

So far X3 is better for stationary attack than LS3 but they both got better results with mobile attack. Roktavor had poor results for stationary attack compared to X3 and LS3 as expected. So far Atomic is best for stationary attack, with Needle behind and Weight behind but closer to Needle.
For Stamina, Kerbeus is dethroned only by F3, although J2 is not far behind and J2 can actually take hits unlike K. Everything else in the Stamina/Defense department performed less than stellar. K is the only one that can consistently defeat F3, while J2 is the only other layer (with F3) that has any chance against Switchstrike mobile attack, for stationary Switchstrike attack hasn't been great so far, so I'd personally stick with Xtreme (or a worn Variable, but testing is needed for that). I still haven't asked for testing for Hunter or Trans, but I doubt that'll change what I've said so far about attack.

TL;DR: Mobile>Stationary attack, Roktavor is outclassed, F3 is still king, K destroys F3, J2 has good enough defense for now.

(May. 27, 2018  12:48 AM)TakoWako Wrote: So, with the rubber of F3 would it be good for mixed attack? Also a few combos I like are

F3 7C At (Stamina)
S3 7M (Worn) Variable (Attack)
Edit: Also, since I don’t have a G3 can someone test G3 4G At vs O 4GAt stamina wise? And would O be a replacement for G3?
Edit#2: if you use attack combos vs it can you try O4G/C Nothing?