(Sep. 07, 2021  8:37 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Maybe someone could test this format in a CBT and see how they think of it and give feedback on it

(Sep. 07, 2021  10:23 PM)USN Wrote:

(Sep. 07, 2021  8:37 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Maybe someone could test this format in a CBT and see how they think of it and give feedback on it

Why CBT and not an unranked tournament? We already have had some 3v3 unranked tournaments so far.

(Sep. 07, 2021  8:37 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Maybe someone could test this format in a CBT and see how they think of it and give feedback on it

(Sep. 07, 2021  10:23 PM)We See We USN Wrote:

(Sep. 07, 2021  8:37 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Maybe someone could test this format in a CBT and see how they think of it and give feedback on it

Why CBT and not an unranked tournament? We already have had some 3v3 unranked tournaments so far.

(Sep. 07, 2021  2:57 PM)Shindog Wrote:

(Sep. 07, 2021  9:27 AM)th!nk Wrote: So while this seems like it is a nice, smooth way to work, and is better than one deck for the whole tournament (which in initially misread it as and got a lil heated about), and I do kinda like deck building, but there are still some minor issues.

While perhaps not unbearably so, it still discourages more adventurous combinations that may need say your Giga or Over to work, slightly (eg roar bahamut giga/over quattro-2 is a great counter to left spin br combos, but then you won't have giga or over on later combos). It's fairly minor but something I feel like I will always criticise no shared parts rules for (perhaps BC I am plastic man and I think it's mostly agreed upon that nsp is deleterious to pla combo variety in multiple ways - basically you never get to use cool and broadly effective stuff like force smash because your wide defense is critical elsewhere, bearings are not clarified etc, separate issue tho).


More importantly though we're still asking people to have 3 full competitive combos to not be fairly severely disadvantaged (maybe 2 but still) That means 3 different competitive layers, 3 different competitive discs, 3 different competitive drivers, all of which have to make 3 competitive combos. Idk about your scenes but back when I hosted we had plenty of attendees with only one or two beys. What do they do? I feel like it puts too much economic onus on competitors and times are kinda tough at the moment.

Love the draw resolution idea though, that is excellent and common sense while still allowing enough breathing room as well as encouraging getting the first round right. It's probably worth the trade-offs but I still worry about how we are disadvantaging less well off bladers, including the younger kids the game is marketed towards.

This is meant to be an alternative format for 1st stage, not the only format.  If there are communities suited more for single bey, you can do that.  If you want something that is between single bey and 3v3, you can do p3c1. That is the idea anyway.

(Sep. 07, 2021  2:09 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: The newer bladers who have less than 3 beys are already incredibly disadvantaged; they cannot make it through Deck Format finals successfully. If a blader has One good combo and two less good combos, they will be defeated in deck format somewhat easily. I'm thinking of my third tournament where one opponent had Balkesh B3 on 0 Atomic and basically no other noteworthy combos. I was able to use Hell Salamander against them all and that was that.

This format doesn't work if they don't have 3 beys. They can either borrow or use the beys they have. Most have at least 3 beys. If they borrow, they won't know those beys all that well and might not do well in deck format, but they might stand a decent chance in first stage.

(Sep. 08, 2021  5:31 AM)Shindog Wrote:

(Sep. 07, 2021  10:23 PM)We See We USN Wrote: Why CBT and not an unranked tournament? We already have had some 3v3 unranked tournaments so far.

I agree, but I personally could go one step further.  If unranked test events are a thing, why can’t ranked test events be a thing?   I am not saying we should prevent ppl from running unranked test events.  What I am asking is why prevent people from running ranked test events?  If there are people who are willing to put their rank points on the line to more closely simulate actual ranked events by playing in, well, a ranked test event… why not?  Toronto recently ran 2 ranked events with experimental ruleset, it seemed perfectly fine.

Now of course, for ranked test events, the ruleset, equipment, and etc being tested has to be within reason.  These should be minor tweaks and not something like ranked hypersphere format this minute (or maybe even this is okay?  If ppl are willing to play in the event…).  This is just something I have been thinking about.  At the very least, I don’t feel like we need a ton of unranked test events for any one thing.  I don’t think the data collected is quite as useful as ranked events.

(Sep. 07, 2021  9:27 AM)th!nk Wrote: So while this seems like it is a nice, smooth way to work, and is better than one deck for the whole tournament (which in initially misread it as and got a lil heated about), and I do kinda like deck building, but there are still some minor issues.

While perhaps not unbearably so, it still discourages more adventurous combinations that may need say your Giga or Over to work, slightly (eg roar bahamut giga/over quattro-2 is a great counter to left spin br combos, but then you won't have giga or over on later combos). It's fairly minor but something I feel like I will always criticise no shared parts rules for (perhaps BC I am plastic man and I think it's mostly agreed upon that nsp is deleterious to pla combo variety in multiple ways - basically you never get to use cool and broadly effective stuff like force smash because your wide defense is critical elsewhere, bearings are not clarified etc, separate issue tho).


More importantly though we're still asking people to have 3 full competitive combos to not be fairly severely disadvantaged (maybe 2 but still) That means 3 different competitive layers, 3 different competitive discs, 3 different competitive drivers, all of which have to make 3 competitive combos. Idk about your scenes but back when I hosted we had plenty of attendees with only one or two beys. What do they do? I feel like it puts too much economic onus on competitors and times are kinda tough at the moment.

Love the draw resolution idea though, that is excellent and common sense while still allowing enough breathing room as well as encouraging getting the first round right. It's probably worth the trade-offs but I still worry about how we are disadvantaging less well off bladers, including the younger kids the game is marketed towards.

(Sep. 08, 2021  1:44 PM)BladerGem Wrote: To be fair, there's already an uneven balance of power between Hasbro and TT beys, so I personally don't see the point in worrying. Competitive combo or not, I'm sure that nearly everyone who attends a tournament is going to own at least three beys, and thus be able to participate. Whether or not their combinations are competitively viable is another question entirely, but that's not the point of this discussion.

I personally feel that if we're going to start fretting about the qualifications for entry now, then we might as well separate Hasbro and TT into their own individual formats, as there will never be a truly even playing field between all participants at a tournament.

I've always been a fan of deck format, despite making it to the finals only a small number of times; and while I haven't yet been able to play with P3C1, I'd love to try it out as well.

(Sep. 09, 2021  4:53 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: If you're going to run a 3v3 event, make boxes available for the players, either at the stadiums or just in general.

(Sep. 10, 2021  7:09 PM)Shindog Wrote: One of the feedbacks that I received, and the reason why 3v3 events cannot be used for ranked events at this time, is that the utilization of 3v3 and P3C1  in the first stage will taint/soil the rankings we currently have.  The current ranking system is mostly built on the single bey 1v1 double blind stand format.

What are people’s thoughts about this?  If there is a future where there are multiple 1st stage formats to chose from or even multiple  stadiums to chose from for ranked play (I guess older formats already have this), would people feel the rankings would be somehow tainted/soiled?  The game that I have played the most in my life is still Magic the Gathering,  which I quit years ago.  When I played, constructed, limited, sealed, Type I, Type II, standard, extended, vintage/classic…..etc were all under one ranking system.  I am not sure how things are done now.  I guess I just never throught this as an issue.  

Interested to hear people’s thoughts.

(Sep. 10, 2021  7:55 PM)Shindog Wrote: Reset is a good idea.  I guess my question is, should these potentially problem solving format(s) or even stadium(s) wait on a ranking reset?  Is that the preference?

(Sep. 10, 2021  8:03 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote: This post is more on the topic of the ranking system, but perhaps it’s like a seasonal thing, where like it’s reset every few months or something. There could also be the option to view it for all time points. I think this would be interesting to see.

(Sep. 10, 2021  10:56 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: It's structured like chess tournaments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
It's a zero sum system. When you win, it goes up for you, and down that much for the other person. The difference in rank denotes just how many points you go up or down. There's nothing inherently wrong with the Elo Rating system, it just has a high cost when you lose to someone ranked below you. In Chess, a game that has no randomness, it makes perfect sense. In Beyblade, where there's a LOT of random factors no matter how skill based you think it is, perhaps it makes less sense.

The sooner you realize the rankings don't actually matter, the more happy you are likely to be. Being ranked highly in a game where double blind single bey selection has been the gold standard in first round for many years is not an indicator of being a better blader. When you encounter the good bladers in actual tournaments, ranked high or not, you know. And many of the highly ranked people in Burst are actually good bladers.