(Nov. 11, 2019  2:05 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote:

(Nov. 10, 2019  11:03 PM)MrBlade Wrote: Lookin' For Beys - 11/10/19 | Winning Combos

2 of my first stage wins were Lord Spriggan, 2 were Perfect Phoenix. Will attach the top 3 photo when I get home.

(Nov. 11, 2019  2:05 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote:

(Nov. 10, 2019  11:03 PM)MrBlade Wrote: Lookin' For Beys - 11/10/19 | Winning Combos

2 of my first stage wins were Lord Spriggan, 2 were Perfect Phoenix. Will attach the top 3 photo when I get home.

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:53 AM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Prime Apocalypse NOW - 11/10/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st The_Gotham
Perfect Phoenix Outer Atomic (Deck)
Judgment Odin RETSU 5 Proof Destroy' (Deck)
Lord Longinus 00 Cross Bearing (Deck)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Atomic (Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


2nd Aoi_burst
Perfect Phoenix Outer Xtend+ (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Glaive Bearing (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


3rd NewRocChampion1
Prime Apocalypse Hybrid (Deck)
Regalia Genesis Sting Bearing (Group and Deck)
Lord Spriggan Blitz Xtend+ (Group and Deck)
Prime Apocalypse 7 Proof Ultimate Reboot' (Group)

(Nov. 12, 2019  12:42 PM)GT1976 Wrote: Interesting LL. Why not leave the Spriggan chip on?

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Also sorry about the multiple replies. Muppet here working out the format. ?

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:01 PM)Ravinchen Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  12:42 PM)GT1976 Wrote:

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Interesting LL. Why not leave the Spriggan chip on?

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Also sorry about the multiple replies. Muppet here working out the format. ?

Probably cuz spriggan teeth are lose

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:03 PM)X-Wing Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:01 PM)Ravinchen Wrote: Probably cuz spriggan teeth are lose

They’re not, and Longinus has bad teeth
Same with Valkyrie

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:05 PM)Ravinchen Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:03 PM)X-Wing Wrote: They’re not, and Longinus has bad teeth
Same with Valkyrie

Not that there bad but the first click is lose and that’s bad for bearing combos

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:03 PM)X-Wing Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:01 PM)Ravinchen Wrote: Probably cuz spriggan teeth are lose

They’re not, and Longinus has bad teeth
Same with Valkyrie

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:05 PM)Ravinchen Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:03 PM)X-Wing Wrote: They’re not, and Longinus has bad teeth
Same with Valkyrie

Not that there bad but the first click is lose and that’s bad for bearing combos

(Nov. 13, 2019  5:45 AM)The_Gotham Wrote: I completely disagree. They have deeper teeth which is better for attack. Personally I don't use any stamina chips. Lord has a bust stopper anyway so it doesn't make a huge difference.

(Nov. 13, 2019  9:28 AM)MagikHorse Wrote:

(Nov. 13, 2019  5:45 AM)The_Gotham Wrote: I completely disagree. They have deeper teeth which is better for attack. Personally I don't use any stamina chips. Lord has a bust stopper anyway so it doesn't make a huge difference.

In my experience deeper teeth work best on Defense/Stamina combos where the layer can deflect a lot of the force, so the combo requires as much force as possible to click even once. For Attack more teeth is usually better since ' drivers exist, hence why Judgement Ashura on Xtreme'/Quick' was constantly a thing, as the tighter spring increases the force it takes per tooth skipped.

So really, the chip types are sorta backwards if anything, with "Attack" chips being better suited for Defense/Stamina and vice-versa.

(Nov. 13, 2019  3:13 PM)GT1976 Wrote: Makes sense. Although still doesn't really explain why Spriggan was swapped out for Longinus. Unless the burst stopper is totally worn on his Lord layer??? Extra insurance for Lord seems an unnecersary waste. ?‍♂️

(Nov. 13, 2019  10:02 PM)Armor Wrote: Spriggan should be saved for Attack combos, pairs really well with dash drivers, and actually is good on normal drivers as well. (But just use Diabolos if you can)

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:53 AM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Prime Apocalypse NOW - 11/10/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st The_Gotham
Perfect Phoenix Outer Atomic (Deck)
Judgment Odin RETSU 5 Proof Destroy' (Deck)
Lord Longinus 00 Cross Bearing (Deck)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Atomic (Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


2nd Aoi_burst
Perfect Phoenix Outer Xtend+ (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Glaive Bearing (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


3rd NewRocChampion1
Prime Apocalypse Hybrid (Deck)
Regalia Genesis Sting Bearing (Group and Deck)
Lord Spriggan Blitz Xtend+ (Group and Deck)
Prime Apocalypse 7 Proof Ultimate Reboot' (Group)

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:53 AM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Prime Apocalypse NOW - 11/10/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st The_Gotham
Perfect Phoenix Outer Atomic (Deck)
Judgment Odin RETSU 5 Proof Destroy' (Deck)
Lord Longinus 00 Cross Bearing (Deck)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Atomic (Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


2nd Aoi_burst
Perfect Phoenix Outer Xtend+ (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Glaive Bearing (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


3rd NewRocChampion1
Prime Apocalypse Hybrid (Deck)
Regalia Genesis Sting Bearing (Group and Deck)
Lord Spriggan Blitz Xtend+ (Group and Deck)
Prime Apocalypse 7 Proof Ultimate Reboot' (Group)

(Nov. 23, 2019  10:10 PM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:53 AM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Prime Apocalypse NOW - 11/10/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st The_Gotham
Perfect Phoenix Outer Atomic (Deck)
Judgment Odin RETSU 5 Proof Destroy' (Deck)
Lord Longinus 00 Cross Bearing (Deck)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Atomic (Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


2nd Aoi_burst
Perfect Phoenix Outer Xtend+ (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Glaive Bearing (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


3rd NewRocChampion1
Prime Apocalypse Hybrid (Deck)
Regalia Genesis Sting Bearing (Group and Deck)
Lord Spriggan Blitz Xtend+ (Group and Deck)
Prime Apocalypse 7 Proof Ultimate Reboot' (Group)

The consistent usage of 5 Disk by Aoi_burst was really what piqued my interest the most. It's either the match-ups were quite bad (like opponents being stock combo users) or that 5 really has some latent good use over the usual 00/0/10 that we see for Core Disk usage. 

Even the 1st placer has a Judgment combo using 5 despite common claims that painted 0, Sting, and unpainted Blitz provide the best Burst resistance alongside using Gen Weight. Quite interested in how it fared since it was using Destroy', which doesn't really have a consistent attack pattern though I can see Burst risk was of course mitigated by the Driver. This is also assuming the Judgment Base was a fresh copy, and that the heavier side of Retsu is aligned with the rubber brake side of the Base.

Finally, the emergence of Prime Apocalypse (on Hybrid to boot) as well as Regalia Genesis are indeed refreshing amidst the toxic meta of the usual pP, Lord, etc. Regalia on Bearing was not what I'd expect since mine would spontaneously Burst upon launch on anything that has less spring strength than Xtend+. 7 still being awesome with a GT Layer is also quite thrilling and interesting along with usage of 5.

(Nov. 24, 2019  8:34 AM)eigerblade Wrote:

(Nov. 23, 2019  10:10 PM)Rouzuke Wrote: The consistent usage of 5 Disk by Aoi_burst was really what piqued my interest the most. It's either the match-ups were quite bad (like opponents being stock combo users) or that 5 really has some latent good use over the usual 00/0/10 that we see for Core Disk usage. 

Even the 1st placer has a Judgment combo using 5 despite common claims that painted 0, Sting, and unpainted Blitz provide the best Burst resistance alongside using Gen Weight. Quite interested in how it fared since it was using Destroy', which doesn't really have a consistent attack pattern though I can see Burst risk was of course mitigated by the Driver. This is also assuming the Judgment Base was a fresh copy, and that the heavier side of Retsu is aligned with the rubber brake side of the Base.

Finally, the emergence of Prime Apocalypse (on Hybrid to boot) as well as Regalia Genesis are indeed refreshing amidst the toxic meta of the usual pP, Lord, etc. Regalia on Bearing was not what I'd expect since mine would spontaneously Burst upon launch on anything that has less spring strength than Xtend+. 7 still being awesome with a GT Layer is also quite thrilling and interesting along with usage of 5.

I find 5 to stick very well to Lord and Judgment. Its slightly below 0 but better than Blitz. I still prefer 0 since it is about 2 grams heavier anyway but its an option.

And its nice to see pP Atomic on the top. Its been a very popular combo where I'm from since it beats pP Xtend+ (along with virtually any other right spin combo in existence) and survives Zwei and Judgment better in my experience. 

Granted, the format around my place is the more random deck format where your first bey would go against your opponent's first bey, 2nd vs 2nd, and so on. I suspect if the tournaments in my area follows WBO format then pP Xtend+ would be the better overall choice.

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:27 AM)Armor Wrote: I don't see why you would want to use pP on Xtend+ anymore.

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:33 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:27 AM)Armor Wrote: I don't see why you would want to use pP on Xtend+ anymore.

Because it's still very good against opposite spin opponents, and decent against same spin opponents. It doesn't have great KO defense, but it defeats other types.

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:40 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:33 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: Because it's still very good against opposite spin opponents, and decent against same spin opponents. It doesn't have great KO defense, but it defeats other types.

Plus, it really can outlast most, if not all, meta combos even with the existence of Judgment, Zwei, and Lord

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:33 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:27 AM)Armor Wrote: I don't see why you would want to use pP on Xtend+ anymore.

Because it's still very good against opposite spin opponents, and decent against same spin opponents. It doesn't have great KO defense, but it defeats other types.

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:58 AM)Armor Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:40 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: Plus, it really can outlast most, if not all, meta combos even with the existence of Judgment, Zwei, and Lord

Doesn't pP Atomic do this but better?

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(Nov. 25, 2019  2:33 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: Because it's still very good against opposite spin opponents, and decent against same spin opponents. It doesn't have great KO defense, but it defeats other types.

I can agree with your statement on opposite spin opponents, but doesn't Lord do this better?

(Nov. 25, 2019  3:11 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  2:58 AM)Armor Wrote: Doesn't pP Atomic do this but better?

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I can agree with your statement on opposite spin opponents, but doesn't Lord do this better?

pP on Atomic is similarly not too KO resistant as its Xt+ counterpart, and hard launches with Atomic is almost a guaranteed self-KO upon a wrong launch angle, unlike on Xt+. Still, the choice is yours for your own preference.

As for Lord, it is like a dual spin Judgment/Zwei fusion, but its LAD is restricted on shorter Drivers (which also don't need Frames) due to its rubber contact points being the first to hit the stadium floor. pP offers some versatility especially against most Beys and a kind of winning flair that Lord cannot easily replicate. 

But I may be speaking through the POV of a Blader who only participates in a 3-on-3 battle setup which is why I feel pP is one of the (if not the) best Beys to put in one's Deck. Weight-wise, pP can still last against most GT combos (it was like the Sr, where it still was quite a dominant piece pre-czS). 

With the number of newer releases, I'd understand that you'd push for the newer Layer System parts, but some Beys are like Sr and you just have to update some of its parts for it to still be relevant and useful in the current Layer System.

(Nov. 25, 2019  4:37 AM)Armor Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  3:11 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: pP on Atomic is similarly not too KO resistant as its Xt+ counterpart, and hard launches with Atomic is almost a guaranteed self-KO upon a wrong launch angle, unlike on Xt+. Still, the choice is yours for your own preference.

As for Lord, it is like a dual spin Judgment/Zwei fusion, but its LAD is restricted on shorter Drivers (which also don't need Frames) due to its rubber contact points being the first to hit the stadium floor. pP offers some versatility especially against most Beys and a kind of winning flair that Lord cannot easily replicate. 

But I may be speaking through the POV of a Blader who only participates in a 3-on-3 battle setup which is why I feel pP is one of the (if not the) best Beys to put in one's Deck. Weight-wise, pP can still last against most GT combos (it was like the Sr, where it still was quite a dominant piece pre-czS). 

With the number of newer releases, I'd understand that you'd push for the newer Layer System parts, but some Beys are like Sr and you just have to update some of its parts for it to still be relevant and useful in the current Layer System.

Yeah I wouldn't use pP in my deck either. But I was looking at pP in a burst resistance light, as pP on Xtend+ does not fair too well against Judgement from my testing.