(Apr. 04, 2017  1:32 AM)Siliva Wrote: http://imgur.com/a/jqjRy I went ahead and translated Spin-Off chapter 1.

(Apr. 04, 2017  1:32 AM)Siliva Wrote: http://imgur.com/a/jqjRy I went ahead and translated Spin-Off chapter 1.

(Apr. 04, 2017  9:50 AM)Killer-Kirsty Wrote: Many thanks again Siliva, I have to say...

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 on one hand great! A good female Blader on the other hand OMG! Mary Sue alert! The character is like a typical Beyblade OC seemingly unbeatable and quite arrogant about it (time will tell if Ayaka ticks the other BeyOC cliches) I just don't like the fact that her introduction is absolutely thrashing another established female Blader. 

(Apr. 08, 2017  8:50 PM)C a o S³ Wrote: Second page of Mao's chapter (spinoff):

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Seems that this is going to be something as a side-story like it was for Daichi.

(Apr. 09, 2017  12:12 AM)TL14 Wrote: Galux looks super cool. ^^

(Apr. 04, 2017  9:50 AM)Killer-Kirsty Wrote: Many thanks again Siliva, I have to say... on one hand great! A good female Blader on the other hand OMG! Mary Sue alert! The character is like a typical Beyblade OC seemingly unbeatable and quite arrogant about it (time will tell if Ayaka ticks the other BeyOC cliches) I just don't like the fact that her introduction is absolutely thrashing another established female Blader. 

(Apr. 10, 2017  1:34 PM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: Sorry Kirsty, but I really need to throw in my two cents: if Ayaka was a new boy thrashing an established male/female blader, things would've been very different: the "Mary Sue" concept is sure well known, yet very few know that there's also the "Gary Stu" counterpart, which is exactly the same, just for the opposite gender, although no one seems to acknowledge that and misuse/abuse the "Mary Sue" term. "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" are nothing else than badly written characters (background/development/dynamics, etc.), not just characters who you may not like because they proved to be superior than an established one.

In this spin off, as far as we know it's in Ayaka's personality to act this way (just check her attitude in the cover), while it's common knowledge that Mao is the weakest of her team (along with Kiki). From a storytelling perspective there's nothing wrong with this, only follows the established route.
In fact, allow me to contradict you: between Ayaka and Mao, it's Mao who can be considered the Mary Sue of the situation, and for several reasons, too: in Rising she tags along with the Bladebreakers for no reason, aside from acting all girly and cute, being a fangirl/cheerleader, asking obvious questions ("What's this? Oh, look! What's that?"), thrashing other characters (e.g Max, ch.3), sheer, pointless fanservice (e.g the neko-maid outfit... =.=;, and much more.

Among the two of them, the Beygirl who ticked most Mary Sue clichés is Mao (and Hiromi for obvious reasons), especially considering all the gaps and incoherences in her backstory, which is what Mary Sues are all about: incoherence and nonsense.
Let's just say I'm more curious about this new girl's resemblance to Kai. It may be just a coincidence, but right now she looks like she could be related to him. We'll see.

In my case, Aoki-sensei just got back a good bunch of points for bringing Rai back, even if for just a panel. HE STILL EXISTS IN THIS VERSE~! ♥

(Apr. 10, 2017  6:42 PM)Killer-Kirsty Wrote: I am familiar with over-powered BeyOCs/Mary Sues and I just feel Ayaka is a underdeveloped/over-powered BeyOC/Mary Sue in canon (you mention her resemblance to Kai in fact I am half expecting her to be revealed as Kai's sister a very common BeyOC cliche). Yes I know the Mary Sue/Gary Stu concept (characters who are seemingly perfect) and I thought Daichi was a Gary Stu/Creator's Pet (more in the manga not so much in the anime and Rising where he has disappeared). 

I haven't abused the Mary Sue term with Ayaka, I just hope that Mao gets more developed to be more powerful than push Ayaka on us what I don't like atm is that instead of making the existing female Bladers stronger, powerful, unlikable, arrogant Ayaka is here no explanation! If Ayaka just beat Mao rather than totally thrash her both in battle and verbally I would probably be more ok with her, my first impression of Ayaka is she is insufferably unlikable. It is personal preference as I tend to prefer likable characters over powerful but unlikable ones.

Mao is far from a Mary Sue (she's not perfect, nor powerful and isn't fawned over by every male character) though I dislike her "cheerleader" persona in Rising I get the impression you just don't like Mao which is ok. Hiromi I totally agree with however.

(Apr. 10, 2017  7:09 PM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: Err, no, I actually do like Mao, it's her fans I dislike. Aside from her backstory's incostistencies, she's a kickass character, a very sweet sister, a caring teammate and a fierce blader, even if she's more of a "player" than a competitor. But by that phrase you just said ("she's not perfect, nor powerful and isn't fawned over by every male character") I grasped that no, you have no idea what a Mary Sue/Gary Stu concept is about. Or at least, not completely.

If you judge Ayaka a Mary Sue only because she handed Mao's butt to her and may be related to Kai, I'm backing out of here. It's pretty useless pulling the "she thrashed an established character" card, because throughout the whole three series and 14 volumes, tons of new male bladers thrashed and humiliated our big four, but in my experience there's been nobody calling the "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" concept.

I may be wrong, of course, but I get the feeling you probably just dislike OCs and new additions altogether, especially if girls (which makes me wonder how you feel about Charlotte, since she's Max's sister, aka a BeyOC cliché). From start to finish in BSB or the whole Beyblade franchise there's plenty of boys who did exactly the same, and Ayaka, only because she's a girl, is no different...

(Apr. 10, 2017  7:09 PM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: Err, no, I actually do like Mao, it's her fans I dislike. Aside from her backstory's incostistencies, she's a kickass character, a very sweet sister, a caring teammate and a fierce blader, even if she's more of a "player" than a competitor. But by that phrase you just said ("she's not perfect, nor powerful and isn't fawned over by every male character") I grasped that no, you have no idea what a Mary Sue/Gary Stu concept is about. Or at least, not completely.

If you judge Ayaka a Mary Sue only because she handed Mao's butt to her and may be related to Kai, I'm backing out of here. It's pretty useless pulling the "she thrashed an established character" card, because throughout the whole three series and 14 volumes, tons of new male bladers thrashed and humiliated our big four, but in my experience there's been nobody calling the "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" concept.

I may be wrong, of course, but I get the feeling you probably just dislike OCs and new additions altogether, especially if girls (which makes me wonder how you feel about Charlotte, since she's Max's sister, aka a BeyOC cliché). From start to finish in BSB or the whole Beyblade franchise there's plenty of boys who did exactly the same, and Ayaka, only because she's a girl, is no different...

(Apr. 10, 2017  7:09 PM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: Err, no, I actually do like Mao, it's her fans I dislike.

(Apr. 10, 2017  7:09 PM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: I may be wrong, of course, but I get the feeling you probably just dislike OCs and new additions altogether, especially if girls (which makes me wonder how you feel about Charlotte, since she's Max's sister, aka a BeyOC cliché). From start to finish in BSB or the whole Beyblade franchise there's plenty of boys who did exactly the same, and Ayaka, only because she's a girl, is no different...

(Apr. 10, 2017  10:49 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: I'm probably really clueless about the situation but I don't think Kirsty dislikes new additions as a whole per say, she probably does like the new OCs. She just dislikes the way Akaya was introduced. She has that very cold, snobbish and generic introduction which (whilst sometimes cool) can come off as a little repetitive.

And yeah, I'll agree over-powered characters (if done wrong) are mostly a little boring (sorry, did I say a little...).

(Apr. 09, 2017  12:44 AM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: IKR?? It's a pink Galeon Attacker Burst LOL I just wonder how long ago she got it... maybe before following Rei along with the team? It's Burst, so considering the timeline is supposed to be after GRev... she should've had at least a Galux 2 before that!

But what's best... OMGGG RAI MY BELOVED, YOU'RE HERE FINALLY, YOU EXIST!! THANK YOU AOKI-SENSEI I LOVE YOU, MY BROT3 FEELS CAN RISE ♥

(Apr. 10, 2017  10:49 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: I'm probably really clueless about the situation but I don't think Kirsty dislikes new additions as a whole per say, she probably does like the new OCs. She just dislikes the way Akaya was introduced. She has that very cold, snobbish and generic introduction which (whilst sometimes cool) can come off as a little repetitive.

And yeah, I'll agree over-powered characters (if done wrong) are mostly a little boring (sorry, did I say a little...).

(Apr. 11, 2017  9:49 AM)Killer-Kirsty Wrote: I do think Ming-Ming whilst annoying was the best female BSB Blader.

(Apr. 10, 2017  10:52 PM)Jinbee Wrote: I do kind of wish they had a black one though, I mean if it was originally Lee's beyblade but recoloured, isn't it a little odd they used what was originally Lee's beyblade as Mao's, and without having Lee either?

(Apr. 11, 2017  6:24 PM)Jinbee Wrote: First of all, there's no need to be overly serious about it, I was referring to the anime version of Rai, if you don't like my honest opinion on his G-Revolution anime self then... tough luck unfortunately. I don't mean to say I hate the character, I like him, but I definitely like his first season version more. I'm aware he's somewhat developed in the anime, but it's a little quick in my opinion, and Lee still seems reckless a lot of times, even as late as episode 34 and episode 39, but that's probably because he loses pretty often pretty quickly there. I'll agree that Rei is rather arrogant towards Rai in episode 7, and that could explain why he was so worked up later on, but he seemed to have no problems showing how capable he was against Rei. This might be me but I would expect there to be a lot more pressure to fight against Rei in season one versus him working with him and Lee, while he was confident due to his determination to destroy him, he set himself a goal which would probably make him more nervous, but he was rather confident, albeit he did underestimate Rei at the time.

Second, yeah I'm aware Galux was always a Galeon recolour but my point is that, I find it odd that they focus more on the recolour over the original black one in BSB rising as Rai doesn't appear there, at least not that I remember. Just imagine if they had a character with a Wolborg recolour and they focused on that over Yuriy, that's what I'm getting at.

(Apr. 11, 2017  7:37 PM)HellenaMaezono Wrote: About Galux, I completely agree. I find it odd and somewhat annoying, too.
But there's only so much you can do against wild fangirls demanding pink stuff, sparkles and rainbows in a shounen like Beyblade.

(Apr. 11, 2017  7:56 PM)Jinbee Wrote: I guess so, I don't want to say that Rai was objectively weaker, he just feels weaker to me and even at the later episodes he feels that way, and that's where he has no tournament pressure or Rei bossing him around, he still manages to slip up in episode 34, though to be fair it's probably because he was against a BEGA blader, though like I mentioned, Ming Ming had trouble against him in episode 50. You could say it was because Rei was there watching and therefore he probably lost confidence but he was rather confident against Mymore... goofy? I think the later half of season 1 where he was kind but sensible was my favourite version of him.

Weird considering how TT normally pushes the beyblade market towards boys. Regardless, a release of a Galux burst would be cool.