(May. 27, 2019  8:54 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Kind of surprised that 00lift and wall are used over ratchet. Maybe, the winners didn't have ratchet at the time of the event?

(May. 27, 2019  7:05 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: Just because Orb Egis can beat Perfect Phoenix doesn't really fix the issue. It's a mostly niche bey used to counter a meta pick; no different than bL on X' back before CzV was released.

Is orb egis the reason pP is still unbanned? Was it told so? Also, if you can beat a meta combo with a niche combo, I don't see what's wrong. Perhaps, you are saying that it can be beaten by aH, hS and so on?

(May. 30, 2019  8:06 PM)ZYeYO Wrote:

(May. 27, 2019  8:54 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Kind of surprised that 00lift and wall are used over ratchet. Maybe, the winners didn't have ratchet at the time of the event?
Is orb egis the reason pP is still unbanned? Was it told so? Also, if you can beat a meta combo with a niche combo, I don't see what's wrong. Perhaps, you are saying that it can be beaten by aH, hS and so on?

There's other ways you can take care of perfect Phoenix on extend Plus the last tournament I hosted I took out someone that was using a combo very similar with archer Hercules Zero lift OCTA the stamina in perfect Phoenix is not the best out there and once you outweigh the combo it's using with one that has better stamina properties for the layer and you have the power in your launch you can pretty much shut it down

(May. 29, 2019  6:04 AM)Shindog Wrote: Judgement Ashura bc it looks good.  

Stadium out can be inconsistent.  But before beyblade burst....

Launching really hard could increase burst risk?  I think pP was bursting a little bit as well as being KOed. 

Other meta stuff.  Weak launching these may be acceptable.  

https://youtu.be/VvC4uoD59hg

https://youtu.be/vR1v1SWZSMQ

I am generally opposed to bans because it is hard to know when to stop banning or when exactly it is fair to unban.  What to do if zwei is really good?

(May. 30, 2019  10:52 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote:

(May. 29, 2019  6:04 AM)Shindog Wrote: Judgement Ashura bc it looks good.  

Stadium out can be inconsistent.  But before beyblade burst....

Launching really hard could increase burst risk?  I think pP was bursting a little bit as well as being KOed. 

Other meta stuff.  Weak launching these may be acceptable.  

https://youtu.be/VvC4uoD59hg

https://youtu.be/vR1v1SWZSMQ

I am generally opposed to bans because it is hard to know when to stop banning or when exactly it is fair to unban.  What to do if zwei is really good?

While that's a valid idea against bans, it's much better to have a healthy metagame than constantly allow whatever is the newest release. If Zwei turns out to be too good (which I doubt because it's left attack), then we might need to ban it. It's better to keep the meta safe than allow things to destroy it. When things should be unbanned is when releases catch up enough, like if Zwei Longinus and Diaboros and the next bey after that are all just as good as what's banned, then we should unban them once those releases are out. It's better to have what was broken to start with banned until those releases come so that the meta doesn't get polarized between those releases.

Like honestly right now, the game has changed enough beyond Spriggan Requiem that its time to let it change spin direction.

(May. 30, 2019  11:36 PM)Shindog Wrote:

(May. 30, 2019  10:52 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote: While that's a valid idea against bans, it's much better to have a healthy metagame than constantly allow whatever is the newest release. If Zwei turns out to be too good (which I doubt because it's left attack), then we might need to ban it. It's better to keep the meta safe than allow things to destroy it. When things should be unbanned is when releases catch up enough, like if Zwei Longinus and Diaboros and the next bey after that are all just as good as what's banned, then we should unban them once those releases are out. It's better to have what was broken to start with banned until those releases come so that the meta doesn't get polarized between those releases.

Like honestly right now, the game has changed enough beyond Spriggan Requiem that its time to let it change spin direction.

I think I understand.  We ban new releases that are too good compared to current beys.  We keep them banned until more releases come out that are just as good.  Then we can unban several beys at the same time that have similar power level.  This will keep the meta healthy.  Is this what you are proposing?  

I am not sure who will get to decide something is too good or not.  And who will decide when it is time to unban the group of once over-powered beys.  Someone or some group of people will have to continually test beys competitively that they can’t use competitively I guess. 

I see your point.  I believe this is hard to do but that is just me.  I do think Left spin attack can be quite good though.

(May. 30, 2019  10:52 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote: While that's a valid idea against bans, it's much better to have a healthy metagame than constantly allow whatever is the newest release. If Zwei turns out to be too good (which I doubt because it's left attack), then we might need to ban it. It's better to keep the meta safe than allow things to destroy it. When things should be unbanned is when releases catch up enough, like if Zwei Longinus and Diaboros and the next bey after that are all just as good as what's banned, then we should unban them once those releases are out. It's better to have what was broken to start with banned until those releases come so that the meta doesn't get polarized between those releases.

Like honestly right now, the game has changed enough beyond Spriggan Requiem that its time to let it change spin direction.

(May. 31, 2019  12:00 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote:

(May. 30, 2019  10:52 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote: While that's a valid idea against bans, it's much better to have a healthy metagame than constantly allow whatever is the newest release. If Zwei turns out to be too good (which I doubt because it's left attack), then we might need to ban it. It's better to keep the meta safe than allow things to destroy it. When things should be unbanned is when releases catch up enough, like if Zwei Longinus and Diaboros and the next bey after that are all just as good as what's banned, then we should unban them once those releases are out. It's better to have what was broken to start with banned until those releases come so that the meta doesn't get polarized between those releases.

Like honestly right now, the game has changed enough beyond Spriggan Requiem that its time to let it change spin direction.

Sr is still being used with great success in the Deck Format. It's only usable in Deck Format because it's easy to Burst when it's on Bearing. That being said, it works as a great threat to opponents when used in a Deck because they have to be careful when using a Right Spin Bey, since Sr is most popular in Left. Allowing it to change direction would be fatal to the meta because it would almost always guarantee a victory when used with a soft-launch.

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:09 AM)Godly_Requiem Wrote:

(May. 31, 2019  12:00 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: Sr is still being used with great success in the Deck Format. It's only usable in Deck Format because it's easy to Burst when it's on Bearing. That being said, it works as a great threat to opponents when used in a Deck because they have to be careful when using a Right Spin Bey, since Sr is most popular in Left. Allowing it to change direction would be fatal to the meta because it would almost always guarantee a victory when used with a soft-launch.

Tbh, Sr being able to change spin directions won’t  really change much due to combos so such a perfect Phoenix alr alreafy having excellen LAD which out tiers most zombie beys well.

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:14 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:09 AM)Godly_Requiem Wrote: Tbh, Sr being able to change spin directions won’t  really change much due to combos so such a perfect Phoenix alr alreafy having excellen LAD which out tiers most zombie beys well.

The Layer itself isn’t the main factor in LAD. Spriggan Requiem still has a lot of potential because of how light it is compared to most Cho-Z Beys as well as because of the rubber. Those two things allow it to Spin-Steal really well, which allow it to bring most matchups down to LAD.

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:25 AM)leosama Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:14 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: The Layer itself isn’t the main factor in LAD. Spriggan Requiem still has a lot of potential because of how light it is compared to most Cho-Z Beys as well as because of the rubber. Those two things allow it to Spin-Steal really well, which allow it to bring most matchups down to LAD.

While Requiem is still a viable layer in the metagame and it has rubber, it has been outclassed by choS because of the burst stoppers. Spriggan Requiem's teeth aren't the best ever, and with the inertia speed weight and teeth of other layers (i.e hS pP etc) it can be burst much more easily. In deck format, losing 2 points is devastating, so most players opt to use choS.

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:30 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:25 AM)leosama Wrote: While Requiem is still a viable layer in the metagame and it has rubber, it has been outclassed by choS because of the burst stoppers. Spriggan Requiem's teeth aren't the best ever, and with the inertia speed weight and teeth of other layers (i.e hS pP etc) it can be burst much more easily. In deck format, losing 2 points is devastating, so most players opt to use choS.

The bad thing is that ChoS can't spin steal as well. The Deck Format is mostly based on using a mix of good combos and risky combos, so people actually do use Sr a decent bit. Ardmore Bladers himself used SrS3.00E.Br in Empire City Strikes back, and he's really good when it comes to Defense and Stamina combos.

(Jun. 02, 2019  6:14 AM)leosama Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:30 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: The bad thing is that ChoS can't spin steal as well. The Deck Format is mostly based on using a mix of good combos and risky combos, so people actually do use Sr a decent bit. Ardmore Bladers himself used SrS3.00E.Br in Empire City Strikes back, and he's really good when it comes to Defense and Stamina combos.

yep, thats right. but to activate the burst stoppers gimmick they'd be shooting very hard, so spin stealing wouldn't really be very necessary here.

(Jun. 02, 2019  1:28 PM)leosama Wrote: I’ve been away for so long lmao. I don’t know anything else here, so ig they’ve both got their disadvantages and advantages .

ik this looks like I’m changing the topic, but I’m curious
do sting and 00 disks outclass 7 ?? I’ve seen them been used a lot. If not, can anyone explain why they are used ?

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:14 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:09 AM)Godly_Requiem Wrote: Tbh, Sr being able to change spin directions won’t  really change much due to combos so such a perfect Phoenix alr alreafy having excellen LAD which out tiers most zombie beys well.

The Layer itself isn’t the main factor in LAD. Spriggan Requiem still has a lot of potential because of how light it is compared to most Cho-Z Beys as well as because of the rubber. Those two things allow it to Spin-Steal really well, which allow it to bring most matchups down to LAD.

(Jun. 02, 2019  5:33 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2019  4:14 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: The Layer itself isn’t the main factor in LAD. Spriggan Requiem still has a lot of potential because of how light it is compared to most Cho-Z Beys as well as because of the rubber. Those two things allow it to Spin-Steal really well, which allow it to bring most matchups down to LAD.

Being light is a weakness of Sr. It means other beys beat it with superior weight beating it down. The only thing Sr has going for it is its small shape, which means it spin steals better (being wide is why Geist Fafnir sucks and why Cho-Z Spriggan can't really spin steal).

(Jun. 08, 2019  8:04 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Yami Tournament 5: The Yami Strikes Back! - 06/02/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard Format

(Jun. 08, 2019  11:55 PM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote: This was definitely a lot of fun, looking forward to the next King’s Games Tournament! Also, I used B3 00W Br twice in the group stage actually.

(Jun. 09, 2019  8:12 PM)Kei Wrote: Charge seems to be making an impact in several events lately!

How did JA.0C.Ch 天 do for you LazerBeamz? What did you play with it?