(Jan. 12, 2020  2:16 AM)Infinite.Zero Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:15 AM)g2_ Wrote: I can't Judgment is too defensive.

Slash

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:16 AM)Infinite.Zero Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:15 AM)g2_ Wrote: I can't Judgment is too defensive.

Slash

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:16 AM)JoMario67 Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:15 AM)g2_ Wrote: I can't Judgment is too defensive.

How is Judgdment defensive? It has some really great attack potential if you use as sliding shoot

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:17 AM)g2_ Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:16 AM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: Slash

Slash bursts too easily, I believe Judgment should do the trick

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(Jan. 12, 2020  2:16 AM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: Slash

Slash bursts too easily, I believe Judgment should do the trick

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(Jan. 12, 2020  2:16 AM)JoMario67 Wrote: How is Judgdment defensive? It has some really great attack potential if you use as sliding shoot

My Judgment has almost 0 recoil.

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:19 AM)JoMario67 Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:17 AM)g2_ Wrote: Slash bursts too easily, I believe Judgment should do the trick

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Slash bursts too easily, I believe Judgment should do the trick

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My Judgment has almost 0 recoil.

Oh, so it's worn down. Maybe Master could work to have some upper attack

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:20 AM)g2_ Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:19 AM)JoMario67 Wrote: Oh, so it's worn down. Maybe Master could work to have some upper attack

Yes it's heavily worn down. Master is only good in left spin.

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:22 AM)JoMario67 Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  2:20 AM)g2_ Wrote: Yes it's heavily worn down. Master is only good in left spin.

Not really, still has some attack for right spin.  Not as good as Judgement, but it can still do some damage.  Otherwise, Union might be the only other attack focused option

(Jan. 12, 2020  3:54 AM)BurstCity_kid Wrote: New to the meta game and this forum so I apologize in advance. We loved our first WBO tournament and are now addicts. LOL
Have engulfed wiki, youtube and other threads.
Building a backup balance/attack for WBO events (standard TT stadium) and wanted to get thoughts on a Judgement combo.
Have seen the JD.Bl.D' combo.
Unfortunately, we are already using diablo in our ZD.Ar.D' combo; and not wanting to duplicate using another D' (have 3 total).
Currently have the Beys/parts:
discs: Blitz, Sting, Outer, vanguard,  0,00,6,7,10
layer weights: Metsu, Zan, Retsu, Ten, Gen
Chips: Judgement, Master, Longinus, Bahamut, Dragon 1, Fafnir, Dragon II, Spriggen

Wanted to get some feedback & education on  the following based on what I understand from the wiki stat numbers and concepts
Judgement-Longinus-Bl.Tr.Retsu
Bear with me if I am completely off on my understanding.
1. I understand the Judgement layer offers great balance but also the gimmick of burst resistance due to the rubber aspect
2. Since I can't use my Diablo chip (Master Diablo is soon to arrive but don't think the chip fits) which shows 2/2/2:3/0/0 thought of putting the Longinus chip + Retsu to compensate for the numbers. Longinus like Valkerie throughs in a burst score as well- with both layers at 2/0/0:0/0/1
3. Blitz for the weight and attack
4. Since I am already using atomic, and D' in other setups was going to use trick for the attack/defense/stamina 1/1/1:0/0/0

Any thoughts/advice/education is greatly appreciated  to this combo that would make it better/similar to the JD.Bl.D' combo.
...ultimately though one can always say "just buy another Diablo", but where would the fun in that be.
Cheers!

(Jan. 12, 2020  4:13 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  3:54 AM)BurstCity_kid Wrote: New to the meta game and this forum so I apologize in advance. We loved our first WBO tournament and are now addicts. LOL
Have engulfed wiki, youtube and other threads.
Building a backup balance/attack for WBO events (standard TT stadium) and wanted to get thoughts on a Judgement combo.
Have seen the JD.Bl.D' combo.
Unfortunately, we are already using diablo in our ZD.Ar.D' combo; and not wanting to duplicate using another D' (have 3 total).
Currently have the Beys/parts:
discs: Blitz, Sting, Outer, vanguard,  0,00,6,7,10
layer weights: Metsu, Zan, Retsu, Ten, Gen
Chips: Judgement, Master, Longinus, Bahamut, Dragon 1, Fafnir, Dragon II, Spriggen

Wanted to get some feedback & education on  the following based on what I understand from the wiki stat numbers and concepts
Judgement-Longinus-Bl.Tr.Retsu
Bear with me if I am completely off on my understanding.
1. I understand the Judgement layer offers great balance but also the gimmick of burst resistance due to the rubber aspect
2. Since I can't use my Diablo chip (Master Diablo is soon to arrive but don't think the chip fits) which shows 2/2/2:3/0/0 thought of putting the Longinus chip + Retsu to compensate for the numbers. Longinus like Valkerie throughs in a burst score as well- with both layers at 2/0/0:0/0/1
3. Blitz for the weight and attack
4. Since I am already using atomic, and D' in other setups was going to use trick for the attack/defense/stamina 1/1/1:0/0/0

Any thoughts/advice/education is greatly appreciated  to this combo that would make it better/similar to the JD.Bl.D' combo.
...ultimately though one can always say "just buy another Diablo", but where would the fun in that be.
Cheers!

Ok, kinda confused tho. Did you mean Destroy' (Ds')? Cuz afaik D is Defense and there is no Dash counterpart for that. 

Anyways, my own input:

1. Trick isn't a good Driver, even the red Trick mold makes it too easy to self-KO. 

2. The "D" in JD is most probably the Diabolos Chip that fuses the Chip+Weight aspect (see Venom Diabolos DX booster release). 

3. Painted 0 Disk/Blitz fit best into Judgment Base due to the metal prongs hugging better onto the rubber resistor of the Base compared to the vast majority of Disks available.

4. Octa can be a better alternative, but most rubber-tipped Dash Drivers like Qc'/X'/Hn'/Jl' would work nicely depending on how well you can launch and maintain a flower-pattern of attack.

5. Please note that rubber contact points and the rubber resistor of the Judgment Base will definitely wear down with every hard impact it does. If you want to maintain it into your meta deck, you'd better have lots of copies of it.

6. Ashura can substitute for Diabolos Chip if you are already using it for Zwei, and more so due to its numerous teeth aiding in Burst resistance along with a Dash Driver and the Disk. In that case, you can possibly use Gen Weight (at the cost of lesser overall weight) or Goku/Zan/Gou/Sou (in order of best to worst). 

7. You can't use Longinus on a right-spin Base like Judgment. Use Valkyrie in that case. Or use Lord Base for Longinus if you really want it.

Just to share with you, I'm currently running JA.Bl.Vl' Gou and  JA.0E.Octa Gen. Both are actually not too bad, but since I don't want a deck that I gotta have more than a gazillion copies to keep competitive, I'm just using them for fun (my deck is leaning towards spin-equalization with lots of power to spare in case of same-spin matches).

Ok, kinda confused tho. Did you mean Destroy' (Ds')? Cuz afaik D is Defense and there is no Dash counterpart for that.
--Sorry yes meant to say Destroy' (Ds') 

Anyways, my own input:

1. Trick isn't a good Driver, even the red Trick mold makes it too easy to self-KO.  
--Ok, I understand.

2. The "D" in JD is most probably the Diabolos Chip that fuses the Chip+Weight aspect (see Venom Diabolos DX booster release).
--Yes that's correct.

3. Painted 0 Disk/Blitz fit best into Judgment Base due to the metal prongs hugging better onto the rubber resistor of the Base compared to the vast majority of Disks available.
--I didn't realize that the painted ones fit tighter. Amazing Thanks! We do have a Blitz and an extra Vanguard.

4. Octa can be a better alternative, but most rubber-tipped Dash Drivers like Qc'/X'/Hn'/Jl' would work nicely depending on how well you can launch and maintain a flower-pattern of attack.
--We do have an extra Octa to spare but versus Destroy'; Ds' probably is best for now? Haven't worked with the rubber tip drivers and the sliding shoot technique but will definitely start looking at them.

5. Please note that rubber contact points and the rubber resistor of the Judgment Base will definitely wear down with every hard impact it does. If you want to maintain it into your meta deck, you'd better have lots of copies of it.
--Didn't know that, great advice to keep an eye on. Maybe have one for practice and one for WBO only.

6. Ashura can substitute for Diabolos Chip if you are already using it for Zwei, and more so due to its numerous teeth aiding in Burst resistance along with a Dash Driver and the Disk. In that case, you can possibly use Gen Weight (at the cost of lesser overall weight) or Goku/Zan/Gou/Sou (in order of best to worst).
--Awesome, so a Ashura-Goku setup would work then. Thanks!


7. You can't use Longinus on a right-spin Base like Judgment. Use Valkyrie in that case. Or use Lord Base for Longinus if you really want it. 

Just to share with you, I'm currently running JA.Bl.Vl' Gou and  JA.0E.Octa Gen. Both are actually not too bad, but since I don't want a deck that I gotta have more than a gazillion copies to keep competitive, I'm just using them for fun (my deck is leaning towards spin-equalization with lots of power to spare in case of same-spin matches).

Awesome thanks for sharing! Noticed the Gou. Seems like its very hard to come by, is it much different than Zan?
Thank you for all the amazing info and time taken to respond!!

(Jan. 12, 2020  3:54 AM)BurstCity_kid Wrote: Long post

(Jan. 12, 2020  4:49 AM)BurstCity_kid Wrote:

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(Jan. 12, 2020  4:13 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: Ok, kinda confused tho. Did you mean Destroy' (Ds')? Cuz afaik D is Defense and there is no Dash counterpart for that. 

Anyways, my own input:

1. Trick isn't a good Driver, even the red Trick mold makes it too easy to self-KO. 

2. The "D" in JD is most probably the Diabolos Chip that fuses the Chip+Weight aspect (see Venom Diabolos DX booster release). 

3. Painted 0 Disk/Blitz fit best into Judgment Base due to the metal prongs hugging better onto the rubber resistor of the Base compared to the vast majority of Disks available.

4. Octa can be a better alternative, but most rubber-tipped Dash Drivers like Qc'/X'/Hn'/Jl' would work nicely depending on how well you can launch and maintain a flower-pattern of attack.

5. Please note that rubber contact points and the rubber resistor of the Judgment Base will definitely wear down with every hard impact it does. If you want to maintain it into your meta deck, you'd better have lots of copies of it.

6. Ashura can substitute for Diabolos Chip if you are already using it for Zwei, and more so due to its numerous teeth aiding in Burst resistance along with a Dash Driver and the Disk. In that case, you can possibly use Gen Weight (at the cost of lesser overall weight) or Goku/Zan/Gou/Sou (in order of best to worst). 

7. You can't use Longinus on a right-spin Base like Judgment. Use Valkyrie in that case. Or use Lord Base for Longinus if you really want it.

Just to share with you, I'm currently running JA.Bl.Vl' Gou and  JA.0E.Octa Gen. Both are actually not too bad, but since I don't want a deck that I gotta have more than a gazillion copies to keep competitive, I'm just using them for fun (my deck is leaning towards spin-equalization with lots of power to spare in case of same-spin matches).

Ok, kinda confused tho. Did you mean Destroy' (Ds')? Cuz afaik D is Defense and there is no Dash counterpart for that.
--Sorry yes meant to say Destroy' (Ds') 

Anyways, my own input:

1. Trick isn't a good Driver, even the red Trick mold makes it too easy to self-KO.  
--Ok, I understand.

2. The "D" in JD is most probably the Diabolos Chip that fuses the Chip+Weight aspect (see Venom Diabolos DX booster release).
--Yes that's correct.

3. Painted 0 Disk/Blitz fit best into Judgment Base due to the metal prongs hugging better onto the rubber resistor of the Base compared to the vast majority of Disks available.
--I didn't realize that the painted ones fit tighter. Amazing Thanks! We do have a Blitz and an extra Vanguard.

4. Octa can be a better alternative, but most rubber-tipped Dash Drivers like Qc'/X'/Hn'/Jl' would work nicely depending on how well you can launch and maintain a flower-pattern of attack.
--We do have an extra Octa to spare but versus Destroy'; Ds' probably is best for now? Haven't worked with the rubber tip drivers and the sliding shoot technique but will definitely start looking at them.

5. Please note that rubber contact points and the rubber resistor of the Judgment Base will definitely wear down with every hard impact it does. If you want to maintain it into your meta deck, you'd better have lots of copies of it.
--Didn't know that, great advice to keep an eye on. Maybe have one for practice and one for WBO only.

6. Ashura can substitute for Diabolos Chip if you are already using it for Zwei, and more so due to its numerous teeth aiding in Burst resistance along with a Dash Driver and the Disk. In that case, you can possibly use Gen Weight (at the cost of lesser overall weight) or Goku/Zan/Gou/Sou (in order of best to worst).
--Awesome, so a Ashura-Goku setup would work then. Thanks!


7. You can't use Longinus on a right-spin Base like Judgment. Use Valkyrie in that case. Or use Lord Base for Longinus if you really want it. 

Just to share with you, I'm currently running JA.Bl.Vl' Gou and  JA.0E.Octa Gen. Both are actually not too bad, but since I don't want a deck that I gotta have more than a gazillion copies to keep competitive, I'm just using them for fun (my deck is leaning towards spin-equalization with lots of power to spare in case of same-spin matches).

Awesome thanks for sharing! Noticed the Gou. Seems like its very hard to come by, is it much different than Zan?
Thank you for all the amazing info and time taken to respond!!

(Jan. 12, 2020  4:57 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  4:49 AM)BurstCity_kid Wrote:

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Just to note, Gou has a lopsided weight distribution, but it has high Attack potential especially on Bases like Judgment (put the heavy side onto the rubber resistor side), and may cause the actual Bey to hop on certain Drivers. It is part of the recently released Random Booster Volume 18 set that has Naked Spriggan as the prize Bey.

(Jan. 12, 2020  6:57 AM)Infinite.Zero Wrote:

(Jan. 12, 2020  4:57 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: [/spoiler]


Just to note, Gou has a lopsided weight distribution, but it has high Attack potential especially on Bases like Judgment (put the heavy side onto the rubber resistor side), and may cause the actual Bey to hop on certain Drivers. It is part of the recently released Random Booster Volume 18 set that has Naked Spriggan as the prize Bey.

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