(Feb. 09, 2019  3:25 AM)Kei Wrote: Intentional or not, super cool that the Atomic in this has a smaller ball. Looking forward to playing around with it.

(Jan. 28, 2019  12:29 AM)Kei Wrote: Does anyone here know what the official names for the following are?

- Name of Revive Phoenix "Core" (Middle Piece)
- Name Dead Phoenix "Core" (Middle Piece)
- Name and Abbreviation of Revive Armour + Dead Phoenix "Core" (Is it "Imperfect Phoenix"?)
- Abbreviation for "Perfect Phoenix" (Revive Phoenix "Core" + Dead Armour).

So, I just got my Dead Phoenix and scoured the box and instructions for any information on this.

I couldn't find anything other than the label they give the core/middle piece: 「レイヤー本体」. This translates to basically "Layer Body".

Since there is no official names for the middle pieces, I think we may have to go with "Revive Phoenix Layer Body", "Dead Phoenix Layer Body".

There's no official name for the name of the Dead Phoenix Layer Body + Revive Armour, so I have no idea what we should call this. I'd lean towards "Imperfect Phoenix" (iP) to keep things close to the name for the other one we have an official name for.

And there's no abbreviation listed for Perfect Phoenix, but I guess it's safe to assume it would be pP.

(Feb. 09, 2019  4:05 AM)yukenta Wrote: While it isn't listed anywhere official such as adverts or packaging, Imperfect Phoenix is the official name for it. see: https://twitter.com/corocoro_kakun/status/1092703041390731264

edit, additional links, the JP community has been calling it imperfect phoenix for awhile following the trend of official staff calling it by such. Masterblader tweet: https://twitter.com/masterblader_h/status/1089043208145760256

Search results for imperfect phoenix: https://twitter.com/search?vertical=default&q=%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%95%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88%E3%83%95%E3%82%A7%E3%83%8B%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9&src=typd

(Feb. 09, 2019  4:06 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: I think it flows more smoothly to the tongue to call the middle portion of the two Layers as "Core" and the detachable part of the Layers as "Armor". Kind of easier to type down as well: "Dead Core+Dead Armor" "Dead Core+Revive Armor" "Revive Core+Dead Armor" "Revive Core+Revive Armor". Just my opinion tho.

(Feb. 13, 2019  12:40 AM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: This would be a sick bey to get who knows perhaps it'll actually be a challenge for Anubis to train against or who knows it might be strong enough to defeat Anubis after it has gone through its Cho-z evolution. -Avery

(Feb. 13, 2019  12:40 AM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: This would be a sick bey to get who knows perhaps it'll actually be a challenge for Anubis to train against or who knows it might be strong enough to defeat Anubis after it has gone through its Cho-z evolution. -Avery

(Feb. 13, 2019  1:59 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote: Dead Phoenix is 99.999% going to beat Anubis

(Feb. 13, 2019  2:21 AM)Dt20000 Wrote: Any Cho-Z layer could beat Anubis easily

(Feb. 14, 2019  8:51 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: I got better things to do than talk about how awesome me and my bey r so rock on!

(Feb. 14, 2019  9:16 PM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote:

(Feb. 14, 2019  8:51 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: I got better things to do than talk about how awesome me and my bey r so rock on!

Then do those better things. please. Those reading this forum don't want to read your posts about anubis in every single freaking thread.

(Feb. 14, 2019  10:13 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote:

(Feb. 14, 2019  9:16 PM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote: Then do those better things. please. Those reading this forum don't want to read your posts about anubis in every single freaking thread.

Fine I won't talk about Anubis (mostly cause I'm preparing to evolve it) I'll talk about my new bey that is just as powerful as Anubis, Shining Amaterios! And I'm also gonna go do those better things right about now sooooooo rock on! -Avery

P.S. I can understand how my awesomeness can sometimes get annoying   

(Feb. 14, 2019  10:13 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote:

(Feb. 14, 2019  9:16 PM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote: Then do those better things. please. Those reading this forum don't want to read your posts about anubis in every single freaking thread.

Fine I won't talk about Anubis (mostly cause I'm preparing to evolve it) I'll talk about my new bey that is just as powerful as Anubis, Shining Amaterios! And I'm also gonna go do those better things right about now sooooooo rock on! -Avery

P.S. I can understand how my awesomeness can sometimes get annoying sorry. ?

(Feb. 14, 2019  9:51 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: Anyways getting back on topic, Does the tightness of the core change in molds? because I have 2 dP one for pP and for dP and when I use them on dP and rP core one is more lose than the other.

(Feb. 14, 2019  10:44 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: I've always found the ring grooves on the Phoenix cores to be uneven quality. Sometimes you have to tilt them, and sometimes it holds well and sometimes it doesn't. It's a guessing game!

(Feb. 14, 2019  11:26 PM)MagikHorse Wrote:

(Feb. 14, 2019  10:44 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: I've always found the ring grooves on the Phoenix cores to be uneven quality. Sometimes you have to tilt them, and sometimes it holds well and sometimes it doesn't. It's a guessing game!

Yeah, that's sadly pretty typical. Might make a difference concerning how easy it is to remove the armor as well.

(Feb. 14, 2019  11:33 PM)BurstMaster Wrote:

(Feb. 14, 2019  11:26 PM)MagikHorse Wrote: Yeah, that's sadly pretty typical. Might make a difference concerning how easy it is to remove the armor as well.

It comes with the risk of this type of gimmick. This is the first time I believe that this type of gimmick has ever been used in beyblade history. Once they get more used to mass producing this type of gimmick the quality will get better, a dP from now and a dP from 4 months later should be different in the quality.

(Feb. 14, 2019  10:44 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: I've always found the ring grooves on the Phoenix cores to be uneven quality. Sometimes you have to tilt them, and sometimes it holds well and sometimes it doesn't. It's a guessing game!

(Feb. 15, 2019  3:20 PM)lovesick Wrote:

(Feb. 14, 2019  10:44 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: I've always found the ring grooves on the Phoenix cores to be uneven quality. Sometimes you have to tilt them, and sometimes it holds well and sometimes it doesn't. It's a guessing game!

If the armor is not secured onto the core after assembly, I'd suggest you to pinch the driver and give it an extra twist in the direction you would normally assemble a right spin beyblade. That should do the trick.

(Feb. 15, 2019  9:58 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: SO what you're saying is that the tightness of the armor is random? or is more lose when the drive is not 100% turned?

(Feb. 16, 2019  12:36 AM)MagikHorse Wrote:

(Feb. 15, 2019  9:58 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: SO what you're saying is that the tightness of the armor is random? or is more lose when the drive is not 100% turned?

Bit of both. It seems to be mold variations of some variety, but grabbing the driver and giving it a hard twist often helps lock it into place more properly. The latter is something i discovered helped immensely back when I first got my hand on Revive Phoenix, and it still holds true.

(Feb. 16, 2019  8:21 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Feb. 16, 2019  12:36 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: Bit of both. It seems to be mold variations of some variety, but grabbing the driver and giving it a hard twist often helps lock it into place more properly. The latter is something i discovered helped immensely back when I first got my hand on Revive Phoenix, and it still holds true.

This is quite true, tho at times I think it may do more harm to the teeth, but you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess. The upside of having the Armor fly away early in battle is to win in a test of stamina since the round core is exposed easily (more effective against opposite spin, I have seen). Tighter Armors tend to lose more since the gimmick becomes moot in crucial moments, where you could have won if only the Armor was removed at that specific time.

(Feb. 16, 2019  5:26 PM)MagikHorse Wrote:

(Feb. 16, 2019  8:21 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: This is quite true, tho at times I think it may do more harm to the teeth, but you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess. The upside of having the Armor fly away early in battle is to win in a test of stamina since the round core is exposed easily (more effective against opposite spin, I have seen). Tighter Armors tend to lose more since the gimmick becomes moot in crucial moments, where you could have won if only the Armor was removed at that specific time.

I need to do more testing with the Phoenixes to be honest, but aside from possibly some destabilization potential it's not immediately visible how losing the armor would help. You're shedding some of your kinetic energy when it happens, and as the heaviest layer around with solo spin times topping the charts I'd think you could eke out a win that way.

If I had to hazard a guess, either the armor drags on the ground and slows it down late in the match and kills its LAD capabilities or the Cores are decent at resisting spin equalization and can take advantage of left-spin matchups better without the armor similar to how Maximum Garuda was a hindrance to that strategy.