(Dec. 06, 2020  1:51 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  1:36 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Free has also been training during this time and he was already significantly stronger than Ranjiro. And if Drum could bust through that tornado by a relatively stronger blader than Ranjiro (Rantaro) without a special move, than Free could definitely bust through Ranjiro's with one of his most powerful moves that's perfectly suited to the situation with it's high speed and power.

What I'm saying is that Fafnir won't be able to just immediately burst through the Tornado. For a Glide Tornado to even be able to raise up another bey it would have to be sufficiently stronger than anyone we've seen before in the series, meaning Fafnir will have to briefly struggle a bit. During that time Achilles attacks since Dive moves hits pretty fast.

(Dec. 06, 2020  1:54 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  1:51 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: What I'm saying is that Fafnir won't be able to just immediately burst through the Tornado. For a Glide Tornado to even be able to raise up another bey it would have to be sufficiently stronger than anyone we've seen before in the series, meaning Fafnir will have to briefly struggle a bit. During that time Achilles attacks since Dive moves hits pretty fast.

With Nothing Break active he would be able to bust through. That's a high speed power move. Packing a lot of raw power behind it.

(Dec. 06, 2020  1:56 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  1:54 AM)Admiral W Wrote: With Nothing Break active he would be able to bust through. That's a high speed power move. Packing a lot of raw power behind it.

For a Glide Tornado to carry a bey up in the air, it would have to be the strongest one so far. Before rocketing away Fafnir would have to struggle a bit due to the sheer size and power.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:01 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  1:56 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: For a Glide Tornado to carry a bey up in the air, it would have to be the strongest one so far. Before rocketing away Fafnir would have to struggle a bit due to the sheer size and power.

Even if that were the case, the burst of speed from nothing break would take it out of range of infinite dive.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:04 AM)Zeutron Wrote: A lot of people are really doubting Rantaro and Ranjiro. The writers aren’t going to casually let them get bodied.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:03 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:01 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Even if that were the case, the burst of speed from nothing break would take it out of range of infinite dive.

Dive moves happen very fast. If they didn't, in Rise Dragon would easily be able to dodge them all with charge. That tip has a bunch of metal on it, which makes it so it goes fast.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:06 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:03 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dive moves happen very fast. If they didn't, in Rise Dragon would easily be able to dodge them all with charge. That tip has a bunch of metal on it, which makes it so it goes fast.

So is nothing break. The same thing happened when Free and Aiga battled previously. He got hit with Z dive which activated the move and Fafnir blitzed out of range.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:06 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:03 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dive moves happen very fast. If they didn't, in Rise Dragon would easily be able to dodge them all with charge. That tip has a bunch of metal on it, which makes it so it goes fast.

So is nothing break. The same thing happened when Free and Aiga battled previously. He got hit with Z dive which activated the move and Fafnir blitzed out of range.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:09 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:06 AM)Admiral W Wrote: So is nothing break. The same thing happened when Free and Aiga battled previously. He got hit with Z dive which activated the move and Fafnir blitzed out of range.

That didn’t happen though lol. Maybe you are remembering it wrong.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:09 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:06 AM)Admiral W Wrote: So is nothing break. The same thing happened when Free and Aiga battled previously. He got hit with Z dive which activated the move and Fafnir blitzed out of range.

That didn’t happen though lol. Maybe you are remembering it wrong.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:13 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:09 AM)Zeutron Wrote: That didn’t happen though lol. Maybe you are remembering it wrong.

Isn't that how it went down. When Z dive hit Fafnir it blitzed out with Absorb Break.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:13 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:09 AM)Zeutron Wrote: That didn’t happen though lol. Maybe you are remembering it wrong.

Isn't that how it went down. When Z dive hit Fafnir it blitzed out with Absorb Break.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:08 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:06 AM)Admiral W Wrote: So is nothing break. The same thing happened when Free and Aiga battled previously. He got hit with Z dive which activated the move and Fafnir blitzed out of range.

Z Dive is much different from this hypothetical move, where Roktavor uses the strongest Glide Tornado yet to rocket Achilles high up in the air, for it to promptly come crashing down. Achilles will be going fast cause its high up and gravity exists. Also the Tornado in question can keep them in place for long enough so they can get smashed.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:14 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:13 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Isn't that how it went down. When Z dive hit Fafnir it blitzed out with Absorb Break.

No it was the dead crush.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:13 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:13 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Isn't that how it went down. When Z dive hit Fafnir it blitzed out with Absorb Break.

[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]It was hit by Z Breaker and the downward force while being hit pushed down Absorb, very different scenario[/font]

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:15 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:08 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Z Dive is much different from this hypothetical move, where Roktavor uses the strongest Glide Tornado yet to rocket Achilles high up in the air, for it to promptly come crashing down. Achilles will be going fast cause its high up and gravity exists. Also the Tornado in question can keep them in place for long enough so they can get smashed.

Z Dive and this hypothetical infinite dive operate under the same principle. Both would activate nothing break. Which would cause that speed boost. The tornado would also have enough room within to where Fafnir would be out of range.

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(Dec. 06, 2020  2:14 AM)Zeutron Wrote: No it was the dead crush.

I just watched the battle. That is what happened.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:17 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:15 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Z Dive and this hypothetical infinite dive operate under the same principle. Both would activate nothing break. Which would cause that speed boost. The tornado would also have enough room within to where Fafnir would be out of range.

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I just watched the battle. That is what happened.

Are you sure? Becuase Eclipse Force also says he watched the episode.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:18 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:17 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Are you sure? Becuase Eclipse Force also says he watched the episode.

Positive. Just watched it.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:18 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Positive. Just watched it.

Ahh ok thanks for correcting me but even then, they’re getting hit by a full powered tag move so it makes sense that Free and Silas won’t be able to use their break or drift moves to escape. It’s just like that time Valt boosted Hyperion.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:21 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Ahh ok thanks for correcting me but even then, they’re getting hit by a full powered tag move so it makes sense that Free and Silas won’t be able to use their break or drift moves to escape. It’s just like that time Valt boosted Hyperion.

I could perhaps understand Satomb. But the force of that strike would probably activate Nothing break even quicker giving a immediate boost of speed facilitating the escape for Fafnir. The move kinda feeds the other move.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:24 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:21 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I could perhaps understand Satomb. But the force of that strike would probably activate Nothing break even quicker giving a immediate boost of speed facilitating the escape for Fafnir. The move kinda feeds the other move.

Alright how about this: Instead of the dive thing, when Ranjiro is getting forced to the edge he activates the tornado sending Satan flying into Fafnir. Satan having sustained instense damage from both the tornado and collision with Fafnir ends up bursting while Fafnir has been left weakened. Achilles comes in for a head on impact and uses infinite sword hitting Fafnir ultimately bursting it.

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:10 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 06, 2020  2:09 AM)Zeutron Wrote: That didn’t happen though lol. Maybe you are remembering it wrong.

I don't remember it happening either actually, lemme rewatch the battle

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I can confirm that never happened. No dive moves were even used.

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It was hit by Z Breaker and the downward force while being hit pushed down Absorb, very different scenario