(Nov. 11, 2020  3:56 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:49 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: *emerges* oh yeah I probably have to explain my points before getting cast into the shadow realm

Battle #1 vs Lui: Obviously we have no troubles with this

Battle #2 vs Ranjiro: Obviously Ranjiro can’t stand up to Lain, understandable of course

Battle #3 Battle Royale: alright I’ll give you guys some leeway in this one. He shouldn’t of survived.

Battle #4 Lain and Hyuga tag match: we see no problem with this

Battle #5 Lain and Aiger tag match: no problems here

Battle #6 vs Aiger: This is where it gets SPICY. The first argument is that they made Aiger stupid and he should’ve used an attachment. First with sword equipped he only rung out Lucius, and that was after the big clash. Second he had another reason to do this, no attachments heavily increases speed. However it decreases power, so Lucius doesn’t have much trouble winning this.

Battle #7 vs Hyuga and Hikaru: Lucius can understandably break Hyperion and Helios, especially after stealing sone of their energy.

Battle #8 and #9 vs Valt and vs Shu: Now we’re cooking. Obviously Valt is just another stepping stone for Lain, the final one in fact. After this he should have accumulated enough flair to take down the person he’s been training so long to beat. And in the final battle he loses. Imagine how crushing this is. However obviously in the moment I wouldn’t have agreed with the result, in the long run it’s a much better decision. Yes there is plot armor involved with beating Valt, but the point still stands.

Battle #10 vs Shu: this is the most recent offender. I feel like people don’t realize that Lain is incredibly powerful in his own right, but also has a new Lucius with LIMIT BREAK. Also they obviously need to advertise the new bey my making it look good, and it’s very logical for him to rematch Shu. If you just compare power levels and base it on that I see where your coming from, but this just makes sense. People jus think Lain is all plot armor, when even without it he’s strong as hell.

Rant over. Basically: Your wrong and I’m right. Thanks for reading folks.

"Your wrong and I'm right." Such boundless logic.

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:56 AM)Admiral W Wrote: "Your wrong and I'm right." Such boundless logic.

That was very obviously satire

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:57 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: That was very obviously satire

So was my response.

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:49 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: *emerges* oh yeah I probably have to explain my points before getting cast into the shadow realm

Battle #1 vs Lui: Obviously we have no troubles with this

Battle #2 vs Ranjiro: Obviously Ranjiro can’t stand up to Lain, understandable of course

Battle #3 Battle Royale: alright I’ll give you guys some leeway in this one. He shouldn’t of survived.

Battle #4 Lain and Hyuga tag match: we see no problem with this

Battle #5 Lain and Aiger tag match: no problems here

Battle #6 vs Aiger: This is where it gets SPICY. The first argument is that they made Aiger stupid and he should’ve used an attachment. First with sword equipped he only rung out Lucius, and that was after the big clash. Second he had another reason to do this, no attachments heavily increases speed. However it decreases power, so Lucius doesn’t have much trouble winning this.

Battle #7 vs Hyuga and Hikaru: Lucius can understandably break Hyperion and Helios, especially after stealing sone of their energy.

Battle #8 and #9 vs Valt and vs Shu: Now we’re cooking. Obviously Valt is just another stepping stone for Lain, the final one in fact. After this he should have accumulated enough flair to take down the person he’s been training so long to beat. And in the final battle he loses. Imagine how crushing this is. However obviously in the moment I wouldn’t have agreed with the result, in the long run it’s a much better decision. Yes there is plot armor involved with beating Valt, but the point still stands.

Battle #10 vs Shu: this is the most recent offender. I feel like people don’t realize that Lain is incredibly powerful in his own right, but also has a new Lucius with LIMIT BREAK. Also they obviously need to advertise the new bey my making it look good, and it’s very logical for him to rematch Shu. If you just compare power levels and base it on that I see where your coming from, but this just makes sense. People jus think Lain is all plot armor, when even without it he’s strong as hell.

Rant over. Basically: Your wrong and I’m right. Thanks for reading folks.

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:00 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:49 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: *emerges* oh yeah I probably have to explain my points before getting cast into the shadow realm

Battle #1 vs Lui: Obviously we have no troubles with this

Battle #2 vs Ranjiro: Obviously Ranjiro can’t stand up to Lain, understandable of course

Battle #3 Battle Royale: alright I’ll give you guys some leeway in this one. He shouldn’t of survived.

Battle #4 Lain and Hyuga tag match: we see no problem with this

Battle #5 Lain and Aiger tag match: no problems here

Battle #6 vs Aiger: This is where it gets SPICY. The first argument is that they made Aiger stupid and he should’ve used an attachment. First with sword equipped he only rung out Lucius, and that was after the big clash. Second he had another reason to do this, no attachments heavily increases speed. However it decreases power, so Lucius doesn’t have much trouble winning this.

Battle #7 vs Hyuga and Hikaru: Lucius can understandably break Hyperion and Helios, especially after stealing sone of their energy.

Battle #8 and #9 vs Valt and vs Shu: Now we’re cooking. Obviously Valt is just another stepping stone for Lain, the final one in fact. After this he should have accumulated enough flair to take down the person he’s been training so long to beat. And in the final battle he loses. Imagine how crushing this is. However obviously in the moment I wouldn’t have agreed with the result, in the long run it’s a much better decision. Yes there is plot armor involved with beating Valt, but the point still stands.

Battle #10 vs Shu: this is the most recent offender. I feel like people don’t realize that Lain is incredibly powerful in his own right, but also has a new Lucius with LIMIT BREAK. Also they obviously need to advertise the new bey my making it look good, and it’s very logical for him to rematch Shu. If you just compare power levels and base it on that I see where your coming from, but this just makes sense. People jus think Lain is all plot armor, when even without it he’s strong as hell.

Rant over. Basically: Your wrong and I’m right. Thanks for reading folks.

So basically plot armor battles, victories for the sake of advertisment regardless of merit are ok for you? That about right?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:19 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Well doesn't it make sense for lean to have a rematch against Shu? I mean hes defeated every other legend except shu .. and the reason he made the new lucifer is to counter shu? So it would.make sense for him to challenge shu so early as you guys say.

The point about lean beating shu the second time can be said as plot armour but tbh we've already seen him beat all legends which shows he's stronger than all of them. Lucifer the end is just a superior bey than spriggan. So it would make sense for it to win right?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: I don’t just say “Lain vs Valt had plot armor in it, but I’m biased so don’t care”. I acknowledged it had plot armor, while also stating a point. I was talking about how tea, Lain had to use plot armor to beat Valt, losing to Shu would be a lot more impactful for him since he had been training up to this point to defeat Shu. In the long run it’s a solid choice. I also didn’t just say “Lucius needs to look cool for money”. I acknowledged he still does, but didn’t base the arguement around that. I also went over how Lain’s abilities and the potential strength if the new Lucius could easily stand up to Spryzen, especially with Limit Break.

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:27 AM)The Blacknight Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: I don’t just say “Lain vs Valt had plot armor in it, but I’m biased so don’t care”. I acknowledged it had plot armor, while also stating a point. I was talking about how tea, Lain had to use plot armor to beat Valt, losing to Shu would be a lot more impactful for him since he had been training up to this point to defeat Shu. In the long run it’s a solid choice. I also didn’t just say “Lucius needs to look cool for money”. I acknowledged he still does, but didn’t base the arguement around that. I also went over how Lain’s abilities and the potential strength if the new Lucius could easily stand up to Spryzen, especially with Limit Break.

Wouldn't It have made more sense plot-wise and marketing-wise for this to happen: Lane to Break the Asahi Bros. Beys, then loses to Aiga. Valt Would have battled Lui or smth, then Aiga vs. Valt and Valt wins. The Asahi Bros. get new beys and challenge the legends, defeating them up to Lui. Lane then appears and gets a new bey(The End) and proceeds to break the top three. Final showdown, cool graphics etc. What would be rly cool is if the bros lose to lane but make him see the fun of beyblade. This is a better plot and it elevates all the beys for marketing. Idk why the writers didn't go with this, it was really easy to formulate.

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:13 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:00 AM)Admiral W Wrote: So basically plot armor battles, victories for the sake of advertisment regardless of merit are ok for you? That about right?

No, your misunderstanding. Obviously “plot armor battles” are more than just plot armor, they’re pretty good decision in the long run. But of course we can’t actually talk the stuff I posted, just vague descriptions of it. As for advertisement, I also fully explained it beyond that. But actually confronting everything I said? Pfft, vague description will do.

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:27 AM)The Blacknight Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: I don’t just say “Lain vs Valt had plot armor in it, but I’m biased so don’t care”. I acknowledged it had plot armor, while also stating a point. I was talking about how tea, Lain had to use plot armor to beat Valt, losing to Shu would be a lot more impactful for him since he had been training up to this point to defeat Shu. In the long run it’s a solid choice. I also didn’t just say “Lucius needs to look cool for money”. I acknowledged he still does, but didn’t base the arguement around that. I also went over how Lain’s abilities and the potential strength if the new Lucius could easily stand up to Spryzen, especially with Limit Break.

Wouldn't It have made more sense plot-wise and marketing-wise for this to happen: Lane to Break the Asahi Bros. Beys, then loses to Aiga. Valt Would have battled Lui or smth, then Aiga vs. Valt and Valt wins. The Asahi Bros. get new beys and challenge the legends, defeating them up to Lui. Lane then appears and gets a new bey(The End) and proceeds to break the top three. Final showdown, cool graphics etc. What would be rly cool is if the bros lose to lane but make him see the fun of beyblade. This is a better plot and it elevates all the beys for marketing. Idk why the writers didn't go with this, it was really easy to formulate.

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:33 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:13 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: No, your misunderstanding. Obviously “plot armor battles” are more than just plot armor, they’re pretty good decision in the long run. But of course we can’t actually talk the stuff I posted, just vague descriptions of it. As for advertisement, I also fully explained it beyond that. But actually confronting everything I said? Pfft, vague description will do.

What I'm basically asking is, are plot armor battles and victories based on advertisment ok with you in general?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:27 AM)The Blacknight Wrote: Wouldn't It have made more sense plot-wise and marketing-wise for this to happen: Lane to Break the Asahi Bros. Beys, then loses to Aiga. Valt Would have battled Lui or smth, then Aiga vs. Valt and Valt wins. The Asahi Bros. get new beys and challenge the legends, defeating them up to Lui. Lane then appears and gets a new bey(The End) and proceeds to break the top three. Final showdown, cool graphics etc. What would be rly cool is if the bros lose to lane but make him see the fun of beyblade. This is a better plot and it elevates all the beys for marketing. Idk why the writers didn't go with this, it was really easy to formulate.

Well Aiger logically concluded that shield and sword wouldnt work, so he went for speed. However speed means that it gets a loss in attack power. which would give Lucius the upper hand. An Aiger vs Valt rematch would happen, but I don't really see a reason to. A match as important as that would definitely also appear in the manga, however there's no reason for it to appear in the manga as there wans o backlash against the manga verison. Reason why is hat Aiger's win against Valt in the finals is actually, well, reasonable. I do kindal ike your ideas though, but they seem a little and sloppy and rushed though

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(Nov. 11, 2020  4:33 AM)Admiral W Wrote: What I'm basically asking is, are plot armor battles and victories based on advertisment ok with you in general?

Battles strictly relying on Plot Armor with no other factors thrown in, just plot armor, aren't very good. Same goes for advertisement. If a win is strictly for advertisement, withn o other supporting factors, it a stinky win. Makes sense?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:41 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Well Aiger logically concluded that shield and sword wouldnt work, so he went for speed. However speed means that it gets a loss in attack power. which would give Lucius the upper hand. An Aiger vs Valt rematch would happen, but I don't really see a reason to. A match as important as that would definitely also appear in the manga, however there's no reason for it to appear in the manga as there wans o backlash against the manga verison. Reason why is hat Aiger's win against Valt in the finals is actually, well, reasonable. I do kindal ike your ideas though, but they seem a little and sloppy and rushed though

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Battles strictly relying on Plot Armor with no other factors thrown in, just plot armor, aren't very good. Same goes for advertisement. If a win is strictly for advertisement, withn o other supporting factors, it a stinky win. Makes sense?

I just wanted to see how you viewed things. Gives me insight into how to view your statements.

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:05 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Like I say to myself, "it's not that they were beaten. That was expected with a season like this. It's HOW they were beaten, and it's all due to Lean." Hyuga and Hikaru have developed nicely compared to that pink haired garbage. The fact that they are somewhat foils of each other made it interesting. Then Lean came in.

And the Fir- I mean, and the FLARE NATION destroyed everything.

I thought you liked Lean?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:27 AM)The Blacknight Wrote: Wouldn't It have made more sense plot-wise and marketing-wise for this to happen: Lane to Break the Asahi Bros. Beys, then loses to Aiga. Valt Would have battled Lui or smth, then Aiga vs. Valt and Valt wins. The Asahi Bros. get new beys and challenge the legends, defeating them up to Lui. Lane then appears and gets a new bey(The End) and proceeds to break the top three. Final showdown, cool graphics etc. What would be rly cool is if the bros lose to lane but make him see the fun of beyblade. This is a better plot and it elevates all the beys for marketing. Idk why the writers didn't go with this, it was really easy to formulate.

Well Aiger logically concluded that shield and sword wouldnt work, so he went for speed. However speed means that it gets a loss in attack power. which would give Lucius the upper hand. An Aiger vs Valt rematch would happen, but I don't really see a reason to. A match as important as that would definitely also appear in the manga, however there's no reason for it to appear in the manga as there wans o backlash against the manga verison. Reason why is hat Aiger's win against Valt in the finals is actually, well, reasonable. I do kindal ike your ideas though, but they seem a little and sloppy and rushed though

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(Nov. 11, 2020  4:33 AM)Admiral W Wrote: What I'm basically asking is, are plot armor battles and victories based on advertisment ok with you in general?

Battles strictly relying on Plot Armor with no other factors thrown in, just plot armor, aren't very good. Same goes for advertisement. If a win is strictly for advertisement, with no other supporting factors, it a stinky win. Makes sense?

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:05 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Like I say to myself, "it's not that they were beaten. That was expected with a season like this. It's HOW they were beaten, and it's all due to Lean." Hyuga and Hikaru have developed nicely compared to that pink haired garbage. The fact that they are somewhat foils of each other made it interesting. Then Lean came in.

And the Fir- I mean, and the FLARE NATION destroyed everything.

I thought you liked Lean?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:47 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  3:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I thought you liked Lean?

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:35 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Well Aiger logically concluded that shield and sword wouldnt work, so he went for speed. However speed means that it gets a loss in attack power. which would give Lucius the upper hand. An Aiger vs Valt rematch would happen, but I don't really see a reason to. A match as important as that would definitely also appear in the manga, however there's no reason for it to appear in the manga as there wans o backlash against the manga verison. Reason why is hat Aiger's win against Valt in the finals is actually, well, reasonable. I do kindal ike your ideas though, but they seem a little and sloppy and rushed though

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Battles strictly relying on Plot Armor with no other factors thrown in, just plot armor, aren't very good. Same goes for advertisement. If a win is strictly for advertisement, with no other supporting factors, it a stinky win. Makes sense?

Glad to see you contradict yourself.

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(Nov. 11, 2020  3:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I thought you liked Lean?

Nah, he could've been done way better. I do like Lucifer though, just not how the character operates. That's not even counting the absurd bias I have, or at least heavily toned down.

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:50 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:47 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Glad to see you contradict yourself.

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Nah, he could've been done way better. I do like Lucifer though, just not how the character operates. That's not even counting the absurd bias I have, or at least heavily toned down.

You seee the problem here is that I said with no supporting facotrs. I clearly state why multiple of Lain's wins are solid wins, not just focusing on the plot armor-y bits, but the other supporting factors. [font=system-ui, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Ubuntu, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif]hello stinky, are you going to the poop doctor? You are stinky. Eat a banana idiot[/font]

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:53 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Nov. 11, 2020  4:50 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: You seee the problem here is that I said with no supporting facotrs. I clearly state why multiple of Lain's wins are solid wins, not just focusing on the plot armor-y bits, but the other supporting factors. [font=system-ui, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Ubuntu, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif]hello stinky, are you going to the poop doctor? You are stinky. Eat a banana idiot[/font]

Can you call it a solid win when it's based off the characters hypocrisy and raw, obviously absurd power? With little to no merit why he should be that way? Not saying you can't like Lean, just saying that you have the very unpopular opinion that's kinda tipping logic in Lean's favor.