(Mar. 13, 2018  1:56 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: As for the community, I'd like to see videos detailing why making tournaments like they are in the anime (giant stadiums, only using one beyblade, work outs, etc) won't work in real life and why tournaments are set up how they are.

(Mar. 13, 2018  6:42 PM)Limetka Wrote:

(Mar. 13, 2018  1:56 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: As for the community, I'd like to see videos detailing why making tournaments like they are in the anime (giant stadiums, only using one beyblade, work outs, etc) won't work in real life and why tournaments are set up how they are.

What do you mean?

(Mar. 13, 2018  1:56 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Little less about the community and more about the site itself. I wish there was an option to not receive notifications about someone liking your post

As for the community, I'd like to see videos detailing why making tournaments like they are in the anime (giant stadiums, only using one beyblade, work outs, etc) won't work in real life and why tournaments are set up how they are.

(Mar. 14, 2018  2:13 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote:

(Mar. 13, 2018  1:56 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Little less about the community and more about the site itself. I wish there was an option to not receive notifications about someone liking your post

As for the community, I'd like to see videos detailing why making tournaments like they are in the anime (giant stadiums, only using one beyblade, work outs, etc) won't work in real life and why tournaments are set up how they are.

I don't understand why the WBO is so against using larger, custom built stadiums, to a set specification.  They need to take into account that not everybody, in different countries, can get hold of the 'offiicial' TT made stadiums easily or at an affordable price.  Not that they won't work in real life, it's simply that they've copied the WBBA rules and won't go against them, even though they've got no connection to them.  We want Beyblading to be a spectator activity and for that to happen, the stadiums need to be large enough for a crowd to be able to see what's going on.  As it is, it's great when you're playing at a tournament, but when you're waiting for your turn, you can't see what's going on and when you're knocked out it's not really worth sticking around to see the final match.  Kind of makes having tournaments pointless.

(Mar. 14, 2018  2:19 AM)MonoDragon Wrote:

(Mar. 14, 2018  2:13 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote: I don't understand why the WBO is so against using larger, custom built stadiums, to a set specification.  They need to take into account that not everybody, in different countries, can get hold of the 'offiicial' TT made stadiums easily or at an affordable price.  Not that they won't work in real life, it's simply that they've copied the WBBA rules and won't go against them, even though they've got no connection to them.  We want Beyblading to be a spectator activity and for that to happen, the stadiums need to be large enough for a crowd to be able to see what's going on.  As it is, it's great when you're playing at a tournament, but when you're waiting for your turn, you can't see what's going on and when you're knocked out it's not really worth sticking around to see the final match.  Kind of makes having tournaments pointless.

Having a massive stadium gives stamina types a disproportionate advantage, especially if they have some movement. In such a large stadium, impacts with mobile Attack Types will be next to impossible. If you're using Metal Fight then it's even worse since Knock-Outs will be next to impossible.

It may suck having to use only a Takara Tomy Stadium, but having that regulation keeps things fair, no random variables from having a homemade stadium which can vary drastically (such as a different plastic screwing with friction and movement or metal damaging plastic tips)

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Honestly, even if they allowed homemade stadium in "set specifications", nobody would make any due to costs. To keep consistent performance, those custom stadiums would have to be made of the same plastic the normal stadiums are made from and their circumference, diameter and angle of the slope would have to be uniform which is impossible without large factory molds which is out of many people's price ranges

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:00 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote:

(Mar. 14, 2018  2:19 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: Having a massive stadium gives stamina types a disproportionate advantage, especially if they have some movement. In such a large stadium, impacts with mobile Attack Types will be next to impossible. If you're using Metal Fight then it's even worse since Knock-Outs will be next to impossible.

It may suck having to use only a Takara Tomy Stadium, but having that regulation keeps things fair, no random variables from having a homemade stadium which can vary drastically (such as a different plastic screwing with friction and movement or metal damaging plastic tips)

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Honestly, even if they allowed homemade stadium in "set specifications", nobody would make any due to costs. To keep consistent performance, those custom stadiums would have to be made of the same plastic the normal stadiums are made from and their circumference, diameter and angle of the slope would have to be uniform which is impossible without large factory molds which is out of many people's price ranges

I don't know how much TT stadiums are where you are, but here in the UK, they cost up to £90 on eBay from Japan or South Korea, that's around $126 US.  The Habro ones, the simple, flimsy plastic washing up bowl ones, they cost £20 and are certainly not worth that much when they can easily be crushed.  Then there's likely to be import tax on top of the cost of an import TT one.  A small satellite dish, a 60cm one, only costs around £25 and it's only twice the size of a TT stadium.  But like I said before, a TT stadium prevents Beyblading from being a spectator event.  There's no point in having tournaments if nobody can watch, you might as well just have tournaments with a friend or two in your home for your own enjoyment.  That's where those TT stadiums are designed to be used.


Since I joined the WBO, I thought there would be properly organised tournaments, but I went to my first one last month and was greatly disappointed.  Like I said, there wasn't much to do inbetween my games, nobody was interested in watching the games going on and for those of us who were, it was hard to see what was going on because those TT stadiums are too small for having spectators.  On top of that, there were ring out launches most of the time, because of the size of those stadiums when us older ones were up to play.  The vast majority of those taking part were small kids who just weren't interested in the tournament itself and once they'd played their part, they got bored and left, leaving just the two finalists to play, with myself, someone else and the two 'stewards' to watch.  All it needs is one or two people involved to bring along a custom built larger stadium (not to the anime/manga scale mind, that would just be too big) and to use it for the tournament finals to keep players interested and maybe even pull in a few spectators to generate interest from outsiders passing by.  It needs to generate interest for those who know nothing about Beyblading and that won't happen with the way things are now.

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:12 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: We already had a "slightly larger stadium" phase in the hobby. Hasbro Metal Fight Stadiums, they were much larger, about as large as you're probably imagining.

They were almost universally hated.

And for all the reasons I already said, they made Attack Types useless and Stamina Types the only viable option.

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:28 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote:

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:12 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: We already had a "slightly larger stadium" phase in the hobby. Hasbro Metal Fight Stadiums, they were much larger, about as large as you're probably imagining.

They were almost universally hated.

And for all the reasons I already said, they made Attack Types useless and Stamina Types the only viable option.

That's a surprisingly defeatist attitude, the sort of thing I'd expect from someone of my age to have, because they're afraid of change.  I have no idea about what the Hasbro Metal Fight Stadiums were like, as Beyblade pretty much disappeared almost without trace in the UK after the first series ended on TV, so I can't say.  But from what I've seen on YouTube of all the custom made stadiums demonstrated, the ones of a reasonable size, that don't try to match up to the size of the ones from the manga and anime, seem OK.  They give the Beys room to move, but are also small enough to ensure clashes and have ring out finishes.  What's wrong with that?

If we want Beyblading to grow in popularity and to grab the interest of everyone, not just small kids who see it on TV, then public tournaments need to have a decent sized stadium and one that allows spectators to see the matches.  Otherwise, what's the point in having tournaments?

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:28 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote:

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:12 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: We already had a "slightly larger stadium" phase in the hobby. Hasbro Metal Fight Stadiums, they were much larger, about as large as you're probably imagining.

They were almost universally hated.

And for all the reasons I already said, they made Attack Types useless and Stamina Types the only viable option.

That's a surprisingly defeatist attitude, the sort of thing I'd expect from someone of my age to have, because they're afraid of change.  I have no idea about what the Hasbro Metal Fight Stadiums were like, as Beyblade pretty much disappeared almost without trace in the UK after the first series ended on TV, so I can't say.  But from what I've seen on YouTube of all the custom made stadiums demonstrated, the ones of a reasonable size, that don't try to match up to the size of the ones from the manga and anime, seem OK.  They give the Beys room to move, but are also small enough to ensure clashes and have ring out finishes.  What's wrong with that?

If we want Beyblading to grow in popularity and to grab the interest of everyone, not just small kids who see it on TV, then public tournaments need to have a decent sized stadium and one that allows spectators to see the matches.  Otherwise, what's the point in having tournaments?

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:54 AM)Frostic Fox Wrote: I think the community (or at least those interested) should instead try to figure out what the best big stadium is, period. Put aside the ideas about legalizing, because that's not necessary for this.

Try different sizes and other things, getting input from many people (not just a select few). You could set up multiple ones at tournaments as a side activity for collecting input (should those involved be OK with the idea). Get different points to weigh.

Once you figure that out, then you can figure out if it's possible to standardize. (Who knows what someone could figure out by then?)

And if it ends up not working out to get legalized? You still have the best big stadium sorted out for those who do love the idea (as some seem to already enjoy it), and what goes from there is what goes from there.

So in my opinion, time could be more constructively spent figuring out the best big stadium for those who want a big stadium already for their own play, at least first.

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:37 AM)MonoDragon Wrote:

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:28 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote: That's a surprisingly defeatist attitude, the sort of thing I'd expect from someone of my age to have, because they're afraid of change.  I have no idea about what the Hasbro Metal Fight Stadiums were like, as Beyblade pretty much disappeared almost without trace in the UK after the first series ended on TV, so I can't say.  But from what I've seen on YouTube of all the custom made stadiums demonstrated, the ones of a reasonable size, that don't try to match up to the size of the ones from the manga and anime, seem OK.  They give the Beys room to move, but are also small enough to ensure clashes and have ring out finishes.  What's wrong with that?

If we want Beyblading to grow in popularity and to grab the interest of everyone, not just small kids who see it on TV, then public tournaments need to have a decent sized stadium and one that allows spectators to see the matches.  Otherwise, what's the point in having tournaments?

The point of tournaments is mostly to socialize, discuss combos and launchers and whatever comes to mind. It's a reason to meet people face to face and have fun, advertising Beyblade is secondary.

And honestly, saying that I have a "defeatist attitude" is insulting. I've seen battles in larger stadiums, custom ones too. None of them have worked. Zankye's is plastic but it's too high friction, not even Attack Types move. Using metal sleds and satellite dishes works but they damage tips which would make no one want to play in them.

We have a larger Burst Stadium in the form of the Wide Type Stadium. In all the videos I've seen, even in 3 vs 3 battles, Stamina Types have an unfair advqntage because impacts become rarer. You want to see "spectator size" but all people will be spectating in stadiums that large are two Stamina Types lightly clashing for a minute.

Smaller stadiums have always been preferred due to how much of an advantage they give Attack Types, battles become exciting when hard clashes happen constantly.

(Mar. 14, 2018  6:16 AM)BlueFlare1384 Wrote:

(Mar. 14, 2018  5:37 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: The point of tournaments is mostly to socialize, discuss combos and launchers and whatever comes to mind. It's a reason to meet people face to face and have fun, advertising Beyblade is secondary.

And honestly, saying that I have a "defeatist attitude" is insulting. I've seen battles in larger stadiums, custom ones too. None of them have worked. Zankye's is plastic but it's too high friction, not even Attack Types move. Using metal sleds and satellite dishes works but they damage tips which would make no one want to play in them.

We have a larger Burst Stadium in the form of the Wide Type Stadium. In all the videos I've seen, even in 3 vs 3 battles, Stamina Types have an unfair advqntage because impacts become rarer. You want to see "spectator size" but all people will be spectating in stadiums that large are two Stamina Types lightly clashing for a minute.

Smaller stadiums have always been preferred due to how much of an advantage they give Attack Types, battles become exciting when hard clashes happen constantly.

Well it wasn't meant in an insulting way, it's just that you've made up your mind already and refuse to see things from the other side.

OK, so tournaments are there for socialising and discussing tactics and launchers, but that's really a social event then, the tournament's secondary so keeping a league table's pointless in that case.  But as I said, my experience of a 'tournament' last month wasn't that great and the only socialising that went on was between the few people who knew each other, who kept to themselves and all the kids running around screaming who lost interest after they'd played their matches.

If you think the only beys that will work in a larger stadium is stamina types, then it all comes down to the launch.  Attack and defence types will work in a larger stadium as well.  But as I stated earlier, there's large and there's too large.  The TT stadium, going by my old V Force Mobile Stadium is around 30 cm in diameter, so just doubling that to 60 cm would give the beys more room to really move, it's not a massive change, it's about the right size.  That guy on YouTube who had his stadium custom moulded made his too big, to the approximate size of the ones in the manga and anime and you can see it's too big there for real life Beyblades without Bit Beasts/Deities.  He's since cut it down to size.  There's also those videos from the Korean players who use a very large satellite dish and that's too big as well.  But there are other videos of smaller stadiums that are larger than the TT ones and they seem to work very well.  We've got to experiment to come up with something that can then be used as a de facto standard.  TT stadiums aren't that easy to get hold of in every country and neither are they cheap, all we want is for the WBO to take that into account with the restrictions on stadiums in tournaments.

• allows diverse opinions on competitive value of parts
  
• speeds up news gaps in case the status of a part changes in competitive value
  
• introduces more people to the idea of an organized play setup
  

(Mar. 14, 2018  6:27 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: If you want a bigger stadium for tournaments then that's fine. Just get an official one and test it out first before continuing.

(Mar. 14, 2018  4:41 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: b-09/b-33 stadiums are standardized products you can practice on at home, and expect the same experience at a tournament.

unless everyone was expected to build their own homemade craft stadium, people would be showing up to compete on strange stadiums at tournaments unprepared.

(Mar. 16, 2018  5:08 PM)Suhasini Wrote: I would really like the bey map to return! It was a nice way to track bladers near by!