Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D
Wow this combo is great. I have only had time to do 2 tests, but I will do more as soon as possible. Tell me what you think!
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. Reviser Dragooon SA165 GCF
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D 11 Wins (10 OS 1 KO)
MSF Reviser Dragooon SA165 GCF 9 Wins (0 OS 9 KO)
Standard Format
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. MSF Reviser Reviser BD145 RDF
TBA
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. Duo Cygnus SA165EWD
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D 12 Wins (10 OS 2 KO)
SA165EWD 8 Wins(4 OS 0 KOS)
Standard Format
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. Duo Cygnus W145EWD
Reviser Dragooon UW145W2D 11 Wins (11 OS 0 KO)
Duo Cygnus TR145EWD 9 Wins (9 OS 0 KO)
Standard Format
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. Duo Cygnus SA165WD
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D 20 Wins (20 OS 0 KO)
Duo Cygnus SA165WD 0 Wins (0 OS 0 KO)
Standard Format
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. Duo Cygnus W145WD
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D 14 Wins (14 OS 0 KO)
Duo Cygnus W145WD 6 Wins (6 OS 0 KO)
Standard Format
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D V.S. MF Diablo Kerbecs BD145RF
Reviser Dragooon TR145W2D 15 Wins (15 OS 0 KO)
MF Diablo Kerbecs BD145RF 5 Wins (0 OS 5 KO)
You should do it against MF-H Duo Cygnus B
Will do that as soon as my Phantom Orion gets here!
Just to give you a heads up, you need to include Stadium, Launchers, what was launched first, etc.
Assuming it is in BB-10, this is pretty cool as I have never seen W2D being of much, if any, use.
UW145! Cool you got some nice results against it! Please against MF-L Phantom Hades/Cancer/Gasher/Cygnus 85/90MF, MF-L Phantom Cancer/Gasher/Cygnus 85/90WD.
Try those Duo combos but with WD instead
(Aug. 17, 2013 6:52 PM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ]Just to give you a heads up, you need to include Stadium, Launchers, what was launched first, etc.
Assuming it is in BB-10, this is pretty cool as I have never seen W2D being of much, if any, use.
Standard Format means something >_< and yeah I was surprised that it was better with W2D than with other Stamina tips. Also I just tested it against Duo Cygnus B:D.
Do you think you can do a benchmark? And what role does uw145 play.
UW145 is good for defense and what is a Benchmark?
Isn't there better options though? Search.
My question is why you are using UW145 on something that isn't three sided, much less at all.
No offense, but I'm kinda doubting these. If SA165 can't OS Duo B
on Dragooon, the UW145 shouldn't be able to.
Well it happened for me. Try it out yourself if you want. The W2D might have something to do with it.
Firstly it seems like this could be good but UW145 has a wierd thing with left-spinners where in right spin attack mode, the blades are facing the right and are raised, but in defense mode the blades are lowered and facing the left. In left spin attack mode, the blades are facing the left and are lowered, but for defense in left spin the blades are raised but face the right. So could you specify if UW145 is actually in right spin defense mode or left spin defense mode? Unfortunatly, testing hasnt really been done for UW145 in left spin or in general, so we dont know how well it performs in left spin.
Also, if you can, could you make a video? Id like to see this in action.
Finally, whats the purpose of this combo, what was it designed to do? Does it do anything that other dragooon combos cant?
Btw, a benchmark is a comparison test using the same opponent but a different combo thats already proven useful. It helps to determine if your combo actually does anything better than whats already out there.
W2D is already used for it's amazing precession in tournaments around here... It's actually out-done EWD on occasion (only once in a while), but UW145 has pretty much nothing to offer :\
Reviser Dragooon UW145W2D vs. Duo Cancer W145WD
Beys alternated launching first. First ten rounds with new W2D, second ten with slightly worn one.
Dragooon: wins, 0/20
Cancer: wins, 20/20 (All OS)
Reviser Dragooon UW145W2D win rate:
0%
2 ties redone
Yah... W2D is very, very good on spin-equalizers. Perhaps even better than EWD in some situations... It's just that no one has actually tried it out formally yet. In fact, I was at a tournament today and W2D was used quite a bit.
As for UW145, shorter tracks with wide weight distribution and a low center of gravity aid a bunch in precession, but UW145's weight distribution is a bit uneven :\ It also has quite low stamina and high recoil. BD145RDF is one of the highest precession setups ever, and it's because of BD145's low center of gravity and wide weight distribution. Shorter tracks can work better than SA165, but they have to be the right shape and weight.
Something like S130 or TR145/GB145 would probably work much better on this
(Aug. 17, 2013 8:56 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 17, 2013 6:52 PM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ]Just to give you a heads up, you need to include Stadium, Launchers, what was launched first, etc.
Assuming it is in BB-10, this is pretty cool as I have never seen W2D being of much, if any, use.
Standard Format means something 
and yeah I was surprised that it was better with W2D than with other Stamina tips. Also I just tested it against Duo Cygnus B.
I was not trying to be "that guy" that is nit picky about that kind of stuff, I figured I would just mention it as I am sure there would have been several that would have jumped all over you for it and what not.
So after seeing theblackdragon's tests, as well as the rest of his post, it makes me want to see more tests using W2D.
I would also like to see how S130 does in place of the UW145 on this custom.
Also to add on you should do some vs Attack tests.
(Aug. 18, 2013 1:42 AM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 17, 2013 8:56 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 17, 2013 6:52 PM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ]Just to give you a heads up, you need to include Stadium, Launchers, what was launched first, etc.
Assuming it is in BB-10, this is pretty cool as I have never seen W2D being of much, if any, use.
Standard Format means something and yeah I was surprised that it was better with W2D than with other Stamina tips. Also I just tested it against Duo Cygnus B.
I was not trying to be "that guy" that is nit picky about that kind of stuff, I figured I would just mention it as I am sure there would have been several that would have jumped all over you for it and what not.
So after seeing theblackdragon's tests, as well as the rest of his post, it makes me want to see more tests using W2D.
I would also like to see how S130 does in place of the UW145 on this custom.
To compare those tracks it would be most effective using 85 or 90 customs for contact with the track unlike 165 tracks which make no contact with the track.
That makes no sense whatsoever. All he should do is re-do the tests using s130.
I will do it with TR145 than S130. I don't why, but now my tests going different than before.
(Aug. 18, 2013 5:58 PM)Kyler_the best Wrote: [ -> ]That makes no sense whatsoever. All he should do is re-do the tests using s130.
He was simply saying that if using 85 or 90 for the track that it will make contact with the opposing track, where as using similar height tracks like UW145/160/SA165 are going to be making contact with the metal wheel/chrome wheel. Not sure if it would be better or not, but it certainly could not hurt to test.
RagerBlade Wrote:I will do it with TR145 than S130. I don't why, but now my tests going different than before.
Do you mean you are not getting the same kind of results as before?
Yes that it was I mean. I will also try now with 90.
First of all, how IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THOSE RESULTS?
Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD gets 0% against Duo/Phantom/ Cancer/Cygnus/W145/AD145/BWD/WD/SD/D
And this thing with UW145 gets a win rate of 100%
Theblackdragons test seem accurate. Maybe you could show us a video of your tests so we can see if you are doing anything wrong
OK, you guys are getting kinda confusing
I'm gonna try to explain this a bit...
There are basically 2 different types of spin equalizers, combos that rely on LAD (Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD, Genbull Dragooon T125GCF, or Reviser Dragooon F230CF), and combos that really more on precession, or the ability to "not fall over," like the good ol' Meteo L-Drago CH120EWD.
This combo is an attempt to create a spin-equalizer with high precession, or a combo that does not fall over during the end of the battle. W2D and EWD are probably the best 2 bottoms for this job.
The problem with using anything below 130 is that it will most likely be force smashed by the much, much taller combos used in the current metagame. The problem with using UW145 is that it has kinda terrible weight distribution and not the greatest stamina :\ It could work OK with a 3-sided attack wheel, but no really on this kind of thing.
The benefit of using TR145, although its weight distribution isn't that much better than UW145, is that it has higher LAD and lower recoil than UW145. The advantage of using S130, is that it's shorter (thus providing a lower center of gravity), and it can actually provide some pretty impressive LAD if it falls over.
I tried TR145 today. Got great results. I will post them in the OP later today, but man these went great!