(Nov. 10, 2008 10:31 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 10, 2008 10:22 PM)ZeroX Wrote: [ -> ]Against plastics, Driger MS is still sex. Against other HMS, it's sex to a point i.e. Wolborg MS, Death Gargoyle MS.
Driger MS is not that great against plastics and fails against almost every other HMS. It is in the lowest tier for a reason. Why would anyone use Driger MS?
because you can use the power of bitbeasts to beat opponents
duh
And you can also lauch Driger MS in the opponent's face
(Nov. 11, 2008 8:43 AM)Darkal68 Wrote: [ -> ]And you can also lauch Driger MS in the opponent's face
people have come up with some surprisingly good uses for this emoticon
I seriously don't know what you're going on about Brad, Driger MS beats all my plastics, and friends plastics as well.
(Nov. 11, 2008 8:49 AM)ZeroX Wrote: [ -> ]I seriously don't know what you're going on about Brad, Driger MS beats all my plastics, and friends plastics as well.
this has everything to do with it being HMS and almost nothing to do with Driger MS itself
1: Driger MS gets beaten to Takara Zeus
2: Driger MS can't win against DEMS, WBMS, DLMS, All Advanced series except Guardian and not even mentioning its weakness against HMS Dragoons...
I am a Driger fan but that does not change the fact that Takara doomed Driger MS to be a weak HMS
(Nov. 11, 2008 8:49 AM)ZeroX Wrote: [ -> ]I seriously don't know what you're going on about Brad, Driger MS beats all my plastics, and friends plastics as well.
First of all, it's really confusing to have you called ZeroX and someone else called ZenX. Just putting that out there.
Secondly, like Brad said, this doesn't prove anything. If you fight just a regular Plastic against a Metal Beyblade, the metal one will obviously win.
I think most of us know what we're going on about.
(Nov. 11, 2008 11:18 PM)Grey Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, it's really confusing to have you called ZeroX and someone else called ZenX. Just putting that out there.
He's october registered and I'm august, so if someone recommends a nickname change, I won't be the one to do that as this was my nick in Damashii forum as well and changing it after 4 years of time does not fit me...
(Nov. 11, 2008 8:49 AM)ZeroX Wrote: [ -> ]I seriously don't know what you're going on about Brad, Driger MS beats all my plastics, and friends plastics as well.
I could speculate three things from your post:
1- Your plastics maybe be the really moderate ones to be in this state as there because most of the plastic series have at least a Beyblade in their roster(#ASFV/2GGT) that can beat Driger MS.
2- You may have the japanese mold Driger MS which at least loses to Wolborg 4, Gigars, Zeus(I tested it years ago before it go broken by my old DEMS)
3- You may have been overwhelmed about the cool looks of DRMS that your subconscious mind had developed a reflex for you to shoot your plastics bad(I've gone above the limit of speculating I believe)
bumping this thread because it's my favourite thread
This thread is epic... and to throw in my opinion HMS/plastic/MFB is all fair game (unless stipulated by tournament rules) They were all created by Tomy Takara, they were and are all mainstream blades, hence battling one against the other is completely legitimate. As newer equipment comes out, people need to upgrade if they want to stay fully up to date (and I don't even have any MFB). That is just how it works in these kinds of hobbies . I wonder how long it will be before someone starts a topic about how unfair it is to use MFB against HMS/Plastic
Is there that much difference between HMS and MFB?
(Feb. 08, 2009 11:34 PM)Arjun Wrote: [ -> ]This thread is epic... and to throw in my opinion HMS/plastic/MFB is all fair game (unless stipulated by tournament rules) They were all created by Tomy Takara, they were and are all mainstream blades, hence battling one against the other is completely legitimate. As newer equipment comes out, people need to upgrade if they want to stay fully up to date (and I don't even have any MFB). That is just how it works in these kinds of hobbies . I wonder how long it will be before someone starts a topic about how unfair it is to use MFB against HMS/Plastic
MFB is designed as a new series and isn't designed to compete against previous series.
HMS was designed as part of the same line as plastics, and was designed to compete against them.
IMO, using HMS against MFB is not only unfair, it's illegal.
(Feb. 08, 2009 11:41 PM)Kezza Wrote: [ -> ]Is there that much difference between HMS and MFB?
The main difference in performance is because the MFB Plastic Shooter isn't as powerful as the HMS Dual Shooter. Hence, if an HMS and MFB did battle, HMS would likely win because it's Shooter is more powerful.
Otherwise, HMS just has more parts, therefore more options. In addition, their main sources of weight are the Weight Discs and Attack Rings, whereas with MFB, the Wheel is the only part that determines the weight of the Beyblade.
Yes, but the MFB are undeveloped and have the potential to be much better than HMSin the future. BTW, MFB are illegal to use against HMS? I don't think it is in our rules.
(Feb. 09, 2009 5:07 AM)Pichuscute Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but the MFB are undeveloped and have the potential to be much better than HMSin the future. BTW, MFB are illegal to use against HMS? I don't think it is in our rules.
The only format allowing this to occur in the WBO is Open Format. I was talking about WBBA's official rules.
I used to watch Keyblader007 video's alot and thought highly of him, But this makes me see him in a new light. Why couldn't he except there is an advantage of HMS over plastics but yet they battled in the same division?
What did he want 'Beybrad' to do about it?
He needs to be a little more open minded.
(Feb. 08, 2009 11:53 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb. 08, 2009 11:34 PM)Arjun Wrote: [ -> ]This thread is epic... and to throw in my opinion HMS/plastic/MFB is all fair game (unless stipulated by tournament rules) They were all created by Tomy Takara, they were and are all mainstream blades, hence battling one against the other is completely legitimate. As newer equipment comes out, people need to upgrade if they want to stay fully up to date (and I don't even have any MFB). That is just how it works in these kinds of hobbies . I wonder how long it will be before someone starts a topic about how unfair it is to use MFB against HMS/Plastic
MFB is designed as a new series and isn't designed to compete against previous series.
HMS was designed as part of the same line as plastics, and was designed to compete against them.
IMO, using HMS against MFB is not only unfair, it's illegal.
You make a good point, they are a a different series, HMS was a direct follow up to plastic whereas MFB is a new beginning without ties to the old series. However I think it is only a matter of time before the scenario of HMS vs MFB=unfair would become MFB vs HMS=unfair. As long as there is the option of free battle in the rules, I am happy (WBO that is)
(Feb. 08, 2009 11:53 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]HMS was designed as part of the same line as plastics, and was designed to compete against them.
I don't think this is a really fair statement. Even though both have similar features (certain names such as Dragoon, Draciel, Dranzer, etc, and AR WD RC/BB), HMS was not
designed to compete against plastics. They are part of the same "era", but the differences between both are significant and were never meant to compete against each other. Aside from the fact that MFB is a reboot of the franchise, the same can be said for MFB and HMS.
As some others have mentioned, it is unfair to use HMS vs. MFB right now because the MFB series has not been fully developed, but in the future when it is finished, it will be fair imo.
^ Agreed.
Still, are we really supposed to be debating about this further? I was under the impression that this was brought stickied because it was hilarious not because the issue wasn't settled first time round. XD
(Feb. 09, 2009 10:56 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb. 08, 2009 11:53 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]HMS was designed as part of the same line as plastics, and was designed to compete against them.
I don't think this is a really fair statement. Even though both have similar features (certain names such as Dragoon, Draciel, Dranzer, etc, and AR WD RC/BB), HMS was not designed to compete against plastics. They are part of the same "era", but the differences between both are significant and were never meant to compete against each other. Aside from the fact that MFB is a reboot of the franchise, the same can be said for MFB and HMS.
Yes, it was. HMS and plastics were not divided into separate divisions; they were all part of the same "Beyblade", and were permitted in official competition against each other. Use of plastics continued heavily until the release of Wolborg MS. HMS were designed with competition against plastics in mind. Why else would there be an HMS Vs. EG set?
This may be true, but maybe it was only that way to not alienate those who had not had the opportunity to buy HMS yet? That would make the most sense to me. HMS is clearly a much different system, and to say that TAKARA designed HMS to be able to compete with plastics is ludicrous (like you said, after Wolborg MS was released, the gap between the performance of HMS and plastics was widened, making any type of "competition" between the two one-sided in HMS' favour). HMS was meant to overpower plastics and replace them.
I don't know when the HMS vs. EG set was released (near the beginning of HMS' life cycle?), but it probably was released to show the differences between the two systems. If I was a little kid, bought the set and realized how much better HMS was, I would then begin buying only HMS. I'm betting that is was TAKARA wanted to do, it makes a lot of sense from a business standpoint.
(Feb. 09, 2009 11:25 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]This may be true, but maybe it was only that way to not alienate those who had not had the opportunity to buy HMS yet? That would make the most sense to me.
Um, no. This was in Japan, getting an HMS Beyblade was simply a matter of walking to a store. For that matter, if you're at a tournament, you could buy them there.
Kei Wrote:HMS was meant to overpower plastics and replace them.
You misunderstood my meaning. All I said was that they were meant to compete with each other; I never claimed that competition was balanced. HMS was just another progression in the system, such as F to V, V to V2; the fact that there was a larger structural change than usual doesn't negate that.
(Feb. 09, 2009 11:29 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]Um, no. This was in Japan, getting an HMS Beyblade was simply a matter of walking to a store. For that matter, if you're at a tournament, you could buy them there.
You misunderstood my meaning. All I said was that they were meant to compete with each other; I never claimed that competition was balanced. HMS was just another progression in the system, such as F to V, V to V2; the fact that there was a larger structural change than usual doesn't negate that.
True, I just think some people may have been hesitant at first, but at the same time they were still allowed to compete in tournaments with plastics, so it is a moot point.
Okay, but I don't think you can call HMS "just another progression in the system". It was a progression in the system, but a very large one. It had many differences to plastics, and its parts were not compatible with plastics (unless you count that new SG + RC trick lol), unlike the past progressions that were.
Oh yeah? SGs weren't compatible with 4 layer. SP weren't compatible with any non-V2 Beyblade. EG weren't compatible with non-EG Beyblades. Breaking compatibility has been a tradition in Beyblade; simply because this step was larger doesn't mean it wasn't a progression. It was just a revolution rather than evolution.