(Aug. 26, 2008 4:09 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 4:08 AM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 4:08 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]That doesn't explain the uncustomized Dragoon MS UV winning.
Rubber Tip?
Shouldn't matter enough.
The shooter/winder combination does seem to have more RPM than the MFB does, combined with a rubber grip tip in an attack stadium.
Well, I mean, crappy shooter/winder apart, not having a WD still makes all the difference compared to the older gens. Performance will never be as good as it could've been and now we're counting fully on the wheel for overall weight and weight distribution. I like the different track heights with different bottoms option, but not having a WD takes away a lot of the customizing options. I hope they at least release something like a "CWD" Track in the future.
Shooters being crappy does suck big time though. I could tell from the pictures of the winders they wouldn't be as good as HMS G-Winders, but worse than the original ripcords of the plastic gen? Wow.
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:02 AM)King of Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I mean, crappy shooter/winder apart, not having a WD still makes all the difference compared to the older gens. Performance will never be as good as it could've been and now we're counting fully on the wheel for overall weight and weight distribution. I like the different track heights with different bottoms option, but not having a WD takes away a lot of the customizing options. I hope they at least release something like a "CWD" Track in the future.
Shooters being crappy does suck big time though. I could tell from the pictures of the winders they wouldn't be as good as HMS G-Winders, but worse than the original ripcords of the plastic gen? Wow.
i don't really think weight disks added that much to customisations, their wher only a few good ones, and they each had their differnt purposes(e.g. attack types had one kind, defnese another and endurance another really)
I think the way that an attack rings weight adding to it's overall performance as well as it's shape adds alot more variation in possible parts and to the science of the game, the only downside i see in the attack ring being the weight disk as well, is that they all have to basically be a circular shape to maintain spin and balance.
But then again i probably wouldve rathered metal beyblades having mainatined the weight disk concept and just made it a much denser alloy compared to the attackring and base, of course they'd have to update the laucher majorly too to compensate for the increased weight and theyd probably be alot more expensive( at least double if not triple the price), but i'd still buy them, just not as many.
I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I really like my MFB which came today. The only problem is the launchers, which I already see wear down at these hooks that snap into the blade.
By the way, Pegasus125SF was able to beat Leo145D more constantly than Pegasus105F could.
Whats the difference between booster- and a starter pack?
Different parts...and starters come with launchers
(Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
(Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]By the way, Pegasus125SF was able to beat Leo145D more constantly than Pegasus105F could.
Probably because SF keeps RPM longer than F, right?
(Aug. 26, 2008 8:18 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
While I agree that MFB is basically HMS redesigned, I don't think that should be the case. MFB is supposed to be a revolution. They shouldn't really be picking up where they left off.
Of course, as it's been said before, they're probably just leaving themselves room to grow.
The Shooter is a part that likely will not be upgraded.
(Aug. 26, 2008 8:18 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
They never said they were an improvement. It's been five years dude, hardly anyone who liked the first series is still around. Takara wouldn't continue it, they are starting over fresh.
(Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 8:18 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
They never said they were an improvement. It's been five years dude, hardly anyone who liked the first series is still around. Takara wouldn't continue it, they are starting over fresh.
Dude, all they had to do was give the shooter RPM equal to HMS.
(Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 8:18 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
They never said they were an improvement. It's been five years dude, hardly anyone who liked the first series is still around. Takara wouldn't continue it, they are starting over fresh.
Dude, all they had to do was give the shooter RPM equal to HMS.
I'm sure they will release a new one. How many shooters did they release for plastics? EZ Shooter, Left Spin, Neo Left Spin, Power Shooter, Spring Shooter, Sliding Shooter, etc
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:07 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 8:18 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
They never said they were an improvement. It's been five years dude, hardly anyone who liked the first series is still around. Takara wouldn't continue it, they are starting over fresh.
Dude, all they had to do was give the shooter RPM equal to HMS.
I'm sure they will release a new one. How many shooters did they release for plastics? EZ Shooter, Left Spin, Neo Left Spin, Power Shooter, Spring Shooter, Sliding Shooter, etc
How many of these actually changed the shooting system to increase power?
Two. EZ Shooter Power Custom and RPM Shooter. The increase was small. And they were never standardized.
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:11 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 11:07 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 8:18 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 3:21 PM)Sasch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disappointed by bad performance against HMS. It's like with illegal customizations, the fun is winning and NOT cheat or something. HMS and MFB are different systems and it's not MFB's main point to be an improvement to HMS, it's simply different.
I disagree. These games work by constantly releasing parts better than the predecessors. If MFB isn't stronger than HMS simply due to some poor design decisions, well, I'm disappointed.
They never said they were an improvement. It's been five years dude, hardly anyone who liked the first series is still around. Takara wouldn't continue it, they are starting over fresh.
Dude, all they had to do was give the shooter RPM equal to HMS.
I'm sure they will release a new one. How many shooters did they release for plastics? EZ Shooter, Left Spin, Neo Left Spin, Power Shooter, Spring Shooter, Sliding Shooter, etc
How many of these actually changed the shooting system to increase power?
Two. EZ Shooter Power Custom and RPM Shooter. The increase was small. And they were never standardized.
It's still very possible they will make a new shooter for the second wave, or third. Your being very negative about MFB here Brad. I think it should be a time for rejoicing, and to keep hopes up that it will sell well enough to actually warrant new blades to come out.
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I'm not being negative. I'm being serious. If you'd read the threads, you'd notice I was the one telling people to stop whining in the first place. However, this is a very serious issue. Kei mentioned to me that all of the old plastic Winders work perfectly in the new shooters. This obvious regression in technology is legitimately disappointing.
I am happy Beyblade is back, I will be buying all of them and will be covering them. That doesn't mean I'm not going to point out legitimate flaws.
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:15 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]:\
I'm not being negative. I'm being serious. If you'd read the threads, you'd notice I was the one telling people to stop whining in the first place. However, this is a very serious issue. Kei mentioned to me that all of the old plastic Winders work perfectly in the new shooters. This obvious regression in technology is legitimately disappointing.
I am happy Beyblade is back, I will be buying all of them and will be covering them. That doesn't mean I'm not going to point out legitimate flaws.
Yes, they do have flaws, nothing is perfect...I just don't see what all the whining is about the shooter and them losing against HMS. This is a new series, not connected to the old.
How is there no connection? Same concept, same technology, same name ... the only reason to say it's not connected is because of the time gap in between releases, which is a stretch. Beyblades should not have become weaker during this four year gap. Takara-Tomy knows that old Beyblade fans will be involved and to see that they have taken away what made HMS such a huge leap -- the RPM jump -- is disappointing to anyone who is a Beyblade enthusiast.
IMO you're the one who's whining that people dare post an objective commentary about the new series! This shooter deficiency is a serious problem ... if you have nothing to add to the conversation other than "Stop whining!" I'd kindly ask that you refrain from posting until you do have something productive to add.
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:21 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]How is there no connection? Same concept, same technology, same name ... the only reason to say it's not connected is because of the time gap in between releases, which is a stretch. Beyblades should not have become weaker during this four year gap. Takara-Tomy knows that old Beyblade fans will be involved and to see that they have taken away what made HMS such a huge leap -- the RPM jump -- is disappointing to anyone who is a Beyblade enthusiast.
IMO you're the one who's whining that people dare post an objective commentary about the new series! This shooter deficiency is a serious problem ... if you have nothing to add to the conversation other than "Stop whining!" I'd kindly ask that you refrain from posting until you do have something productive to add.
It is a serious problem, but your making them seem MUCH inferior to HMS...they aren't all that inferior from the information I've seen. I don't have mine yet, but please keep in mind these are only the first 4.
I never said "much inferior" (sic) to HMS. You're putting words in my mouth.
(Aug. 26, 2008 10:48 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, all they had to do was give the shooter RPM equal to HMS.
Furthermore, why would any company downgrade their product? The Dual Shooter gave HMS it's huge advantage, why backtrack?
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:23 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]I never said "much inferior" (sic) to HMS. You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm going to stop this now, for I don't want to start a major fight over something so silly. I never said you said exactly that, but you implied it over one or two losses.
(Aug. 26, 2008 11:25 PM)Evan Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug. 26, 2008 11:23 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]I never said "much inferior" (sic) to HMS. You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm going to stop this now, for I don't want to start a major fight over something so silly. I never said you said exactly that, but you implied it over one or two losses.
The funny thing about implications is that you can say anyone implies anything. Also, it was a lot more than "one or two losses". Maybe you should read it again. DGMSUV is a pretty miserable Beyblade uncustomized and was able to defeat Pegasis with alarming consistency.
i think they are fine the way they are, advancements will be made for sure and there is no reason for any of us to be upset about some old shooters, like Evan said, they will get better..and as for the HMS winning, the majority of documented experiments showed that MFB won more matches against HMS..one person's results and their blade choice means nothing if it has not been done in many other stadiums using different combos and even ripcords...if the plastic gen's cords work in it, results may vary if different cords like the dragon winder is used..there is no reason to just look down on them..they are new so give them some time...and besides, DGMSUV is still ridiculously fast and can work great if it hits at full speed and since pegasus was always shot first and doesnt have the same speed, there may be chances of KOs from recent series even from the most unexpected of blades...so we should all give it time and see what we get and then later, go against some issues, lets address them, not make the blades seem like carp
Honestly I personally don't really mind if HMS are stronger, but I can understand why some other people would. I use only the same system when fighting against others.