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Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
I propose that we should bring a rule that stops the scoring of no contact matches in competitive play.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - beykid44 - Nov. 01, 2020
I agree they did nothing to beat you you just died which makes me agree on this proposal we will raid area 51 if our purposal is not accepted
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
If the opponent successfully avoid me the whole round by let say tornado stalling, they deserve to score. I think no contact scoring is fine.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
Please note that I turned off the polling where you can see names to make sure that people don’t feel intimidated.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - kai edits - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:02 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Please note that I turned off the polling where you can see names to make sure that people don’t feel intimidated.I won't feel intimidated
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:01 PM)Shindog Wrote: If the opponent successfully avoid me the whole round by let say tornado stalling, they deserve to score. I think no contact scoring is fine.
Will, in tornado stalling situations there is at least some amount of contact. The rule is more for self ko’s with no contact like the left Burst rule.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:07 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:There are definitely matches where the staller never gets hit and just outrun the opponent.(Nov. 01, 2020 10:01 PM)Shindog Wrote: If the opponent successfully avoid me the whole round by let say tornado stalling, they deserve to score. I think no contact scoring is fine.
Will, in tornado stalling situations there is at least some amount of contact. The rule is more for ko’s with no contact like the left Burst rule.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Ali Baba - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 9:50 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I propose that we should bring a rule that stops the scoring of no contact matches in competitive play.Well, in the competitive play if you score (playing by the rules) you score, but it'd be cool in 4fun formats
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:09 PM)Shindog Wrote:(Nov. 01, 2020 10:07 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Will, in tornado stalling situations there is at least some amount of contact. The rule is more for ko’s with no contact like the left Burst rule.There are definitely matches where the staller never gets hit and just outrun the opponent.
I think we can implement some sort of 3 to 5 second timer for this rule.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Ali Baba - Nov. 01, 2020
Well in stadium' it stalling won't happen
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
Let’s set aside tornado stall. If the opponent manages to avoid you or if you just miss your opponent, what did the opponent do to not deserve to score?
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:15 PM)Shindog Wrote: Let’s set aside tornado stall. If the opponent manages to avoid you or if you just miss your opponent, what did the opponent do to not deserve to score?
That is why I’m saying we can implement a 3 to 5 second timer in which this rule is effective.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - BladerGem - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:15 PM)Shindog Wrote: Let’s set aside tornado stall. If the opponent manages to avoid you or if you just miss your opponent, what did the opponent do to not deserve to score?
On the other side of the coin, what did they opponent do to deserve to score? What if there's no contact but you self-KO? Also, has there ever even been a case where both beys have stayed in the stadium but never touched each other before the round ended, or is this all hypothetical?
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:18 PM)BladerGem Wrote:(Nov. 01, 2020 10:15 PM)Shindog Wrote: Let’s set aside tornado stall. If the opponent manages to avoid you or if you just miss your opponent, what did the opponent do to not deserve to score?
On the other side of the coin, what did they opponent do to deserve to score? What if there's no contact but you self-KO? Also, has there ever even been a case where both beys have stayed in the stadium but never touched each other before the round ended, or is this all hypothetical?
Well, there are some cases where this has happened (I was doing samurai Pegasus vs Meteo l-drago and it happened), but the main point is self ko (I know that the title is misleading so I changed it).
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Orochi's Blade - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:18 PM)BladerGem Wrote:(Nov. 01, 2020 10:15 PM)Shindog Wrote: Let’s set aside tornado stall. If the opponent manages to avoid you or if you just miss your opponent, what did the opponent do to not deserve to score?
On the other side of the coin, what did they opponent do to deserve to score? What if there's no contact but you self-KO? Also, has there ever even been a case where both beys have stayed in the stadium but never touched each other before the round ended, or is this all hypothetical?
it could happen, and I'm sure there is proof it has happened.
let's say two attack layers enter a banking pattern, but one layer has worse timing, misses twice, then self KO's. that is definitely possible
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:18 PM)BladerGem Wrote:I would say the opponent deserved to score because they did not self KO. Perhaps they were just lucky, perhaps they launched conservatively, or perhaps they were counting on the opponent to self KO. If there is no contact and you self KO by your own powers I wouldn’t mind a double fault system, but I don’t believe in zero consequence.(Nov. 01, 2020 10:15 PM)Shindog Wrote: Let’s set aside tornado stall. If the opponent manages to avoid you or if you just miss your opponent, what did the opponent do to not deserve to score?
On the other side of the coin, what did they opponent do to deserve to score? What if there's no contact but you self-KO? Also, has there ever even been a case where both beys have stayed in the stadium but never touched each other before the round ended, or is this all hypothetical?
Plenty of tornado stallers including the recent pP.outer.Vl’ can and have won without touching opponent. It is also possible for 2 flower patterns to never actually meet until one stops.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:23 PM)Shindog Wrote:(Nov. 01, 2020 10:18 PM)BladerGem Wrote: On the other side of the coin, what did they opponent do to deserve to score? What if there's no contact but you self-KO? Also, has there ever even been a case where both beys have stayed in the stadium but never touched each other before the round ended, or is this all hypothetical?I would say the opponent deserved to score because they did not self KO. If there is no contact and you self KO by your own powers I wouldn’t mind a double fault system, but I don’t believe in zero consequence.
Plenty of tornado stallers including the recent pP.outer.Vl’ can and have won without touching opponent.
Yeah, I’m totally fine with wins by tornado stalling, but not with self-ko no contact rules.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:27 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:What would be your suggestion? How many times can someone self KO before They should be penalized? Or should they never be penalized?(Nov. 01, 2020 10:23 PM)Shindog Wrote: I would say the opponent deserved to score because they did not self KO. If there is no contact and you self KO by your own powers I wouldn’t mind a double fault system, but I don’t believe in zero consequence.
Plenty of tornado stallers including the recent pP.outer.Vl’ can and have won without touching opponent.
Yeah, I’m totally fine with wins by tornado stalling, but not with self-ko no contact rules.
Let’s say in track, a double false start is a disqualification I think. Tennis has the double fault.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:32 PM)Shindog Wrote:(Nov. 01, 2020 10:27 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Yeah, I’m totally fine with wins by tornado stalling, but not with self-ko no contact rules.What would be your suggestion? How many times can someone self KO before They should be penalized? Or should they never be penalized?
I think that three times before a penalty is issued is fair because people don’t have all day, and because a self ko usually happens within the first 5 to 6 seconds of a battle.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:34 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:3 times in a match or 3 times in a round?(Nov. 01, 2020 10:32 PM)Shindog Wrote: What would be your suggestion? How many times can someone self KO before They should be penalized? Or should they never be penalized?
I think that three times before a penalty is issued is fair because people don’t have all day, and because a self ko usually happens within the first 5 to 6 seconds of a battle.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:36 PM)Shindog Wrote:(Nov. 01, 2020 10:34 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I think that three times before a penalty is issued is fair because people don’t have all day, and because a self ko usually happens within the first 5 to 6 seconds of a battle.3 times in a match or 3 times in a round?
3 times each round. I would also be totally cool with 2 times each round.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - Shindog - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:I believe 2 times each round was discussed at least a couple of time in the Gattyaki thread. It was a concession to allow people more opportunities to perform the surface glide gartyaki rather than the drop or air snipe.(Nov. 01, 2020 10:36 PM)Shindog Wrote: 3 times in a match or 3 times in a round?
3 times each round. I would also be totally cool with 2 times each round.
I believe this was discussed in the Gatryaki thread as well.
To me, if the opponent tries to Air snipe by flinging the bey at me and doesn’t even come close to landing the stadium just isn’t right. And to give someone 3 chances to throw their bey?
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - beykid44 - Nov. 01, 2020
idk but considering the new dash stadium thats coming out which solives this problem Will that beystadium be legal in ranked play? as unlike the gimimck for the slingshock stadium drains the stamina if its stuck takara fixed this by using the gravity of the beys i dont know why it wouldnt be legal
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - 6Jupiter5 - Nov. 01, 2020
(Nov. 01, 2020 10:41 PM)beykid44 Wrote: idk but considering the new dash stadium thats coming out which solives this problem Will that beystadium be legal in ranked play? as unlike the gimimck for the slingshock stadium drains the stamina if its stuck takara fixed this by using the gravity of the beys i dont know why it wouldnt be legal
Well, the stadium may or may not be allowed.
RE: Proposal, bring a new rule for no contact self ko - beykid44 - Nov. 01, 2020
and im not agreeing bc im their friend i just dont like that ule maybe 3 stirkes ur out? or 2