(Dec. 01, 2020  9:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:39 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Bro he's Kars. perfect in anyway. What can he not do. Also, he fits the definition of omnipotent very well actually.

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Like, Kars can everything all at once

Proof that he can destroy a Galaxy at will?

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:39 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Bro he's Kars. perfect in anyway. What can he not do. Also, he fits the definition of omnipotent very well actually.

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Like, Kars can everything all at once

Proof that he can destroy a Galaxy at will?

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:50 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: Kars has every stand Ultimate Requiem.
Star Platinum The World Ultimate Requiem
Golden Experience Requiem Ultimate
Killer Queen Ultimate Requiem
etc.
The list goes on. And he can summon all of them at once. This isn't even a fair fight it should be Novel Kars vs all the Angels. That would be unfair for the Angels tho.

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Proof that he can destroy a Galaxy at will?

Yeah probably.

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:55 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:50 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: Kars has every stand Ultimate Requiem.
Star Platinum The World Ultimate Requiem
Golden Experience Requiem Ultimate
Killer Queen Ultimate Requiem
etc.
The list goes on. And he can summon all of them at once. This isn't even a fair fight it should be Novel Kars vs all the Angels. That would be unfair for the Angels tho.

Alright, whatever lies you want to tell yourself.

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(Dec. 01, 2020  9:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Yeah probably.

Once again, proof? If he could why didn’t he just enslave the universe?

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Saitama would whoop Jorge joestar Kars though.

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:55 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:50 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: Kars has every stand Ultimate Requiem.
Star Platinum The World Ultimate Requiem
Golden Experience Requiem Ultimate
Killer Queen Ultimate Requiem
etc.
The list goes on. And he can summon all of them at once. This isn't even a fair fight it should be Novel Kars vs all the Angels. That would be unfair for the Angels tho.

Alright, whatever lies you want to tell yourself.

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(Dec. 01, 2020  9:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Yeah probably.

Once again, proof? If he could why didn’t he just enslave the universe?

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Saitama would whoop Jorge joestar Kars though.

(Dec. 01, 2020  10:21 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  9:55 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Alright, whatever lies you want to tell yourself.

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Once again, proof? If he could why didn’t he just enslave the universe?

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Saitama would whoop Jorge joestar Kars though.

Why would he enslave the universe. What does he get out of that.

(Dec. 01, 2020  10:48 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  10:21 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Why would he enslave the universe. What does he get out of that.

That was his original goal was it not.

(Dec. 01, 2020  10:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  10:48 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: That was his original goal was it not.

Does Novel have the same goal?

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And if Kars lands a punch he can rewrite reality to whatever he sees fits stop time infinitely with the world ultimate requiem over heaven.

Can someone confirm this statement true? If so, couldn't he just go fast with MiH, punch Beerus, make it so Beerus is weak af and will die from like an an touching and just immediately kill him.

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Bro I just saw people debating in Novel Kar could beat Thanos or not. Seriously.

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:02 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  10:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Does Novel have the same goal?

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And if Kars lands a punch he can rewrite reality to whatever he sees fits stop time infinitely with the world ultimate requiem over heaven.

Can someone confirm this statement true? If so, couldn't he just go fast with MiH, punch Beerus, make it so Beerus is weak af and will die from like an an touching and just immediately kill him.

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Bro I just saw people debating in Novel Kar could beat Thanos or not. Seriously.

TWOver Heaven is non-canon and not even in Jorge Joestar. Also Making Beerus weak af is not as simple as you say it is. Novel Kars would whoop thanos

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:04 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:02 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: TWOver Heaven is non-canon and not even in Jorge Joestar. Also Making Beerus weak af is not as simple as you say it is. Novel Kars would whoop thanos

ah ok. Also to disprove your previous point about Kars not being able to pick up using ki so quickly
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(Dec. 01, 2020  11:06 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:04 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: ah ok. Also to disprove your previous point about Kars not being able to pick up using ki so quickly
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But where would he get the exposure? Beerus has divine ki which is different from regular ki.

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:07 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

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Name: Kars

Origin:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure(JORGE JOESTAR)

Gender: Male

Age: ~10,000,000,000,102,000

Classification: The Ultimate Lifeform

Powers and Abilitiesuperhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Body Control, Biological Manipulation(Could alter the physical bodies of others by altering specific points in the brain; turned Yoshikage Kira's body into a pile of heads from a drop of blood on his tie), Absorption, Light Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation via Light Mode, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (Mid-High), Resistance to Explosion Manipulation and Time Manipulation (Killer Queen's primary and third bomb did not affect Kars whatsoever, no matter the intensity of the explosion), Resistance to Willpower Manipulation (Should be comparable to Dio, as he gained his new abilities by eating him), Shapeshifting, Soul Manipulation (Grabbed Killer Queen, which is also Yoshikage Kira's soul, out of his body and made it attack Kira himself; disassembled Narancia's Das Boot), Adaptation, Reactive Evolution, and Power Mimicry(can view an ability and/or concept and "understand it" while also being able to use it at mastery levels of skill if not greater than the source of said concept) | Creation of Stand and Memory discs that export or input Stands and souls with Whitesnake Ultimate | Dividing and Combining submarine units that fire missiles and dive inside objects with Das Boot Ultimate | Sand Manipulation and Earth Manipulation with Dune Ultimate | Time Stop and Acausality with The World Ultimate; Kars resists the effects of Time Stop when using it | Gravity Manipulation with C-Moon Ultimate | Explosion Manipulation and One Hit Kill with Killer Queen's primary bomb; same as the primary bomb alongside Rewinding Time with Bites the Dust. Any target inflicted with Bites the Dust is fated to fall to the same doom as before the time reversal | Portal Creation that allows Dimensional Travel, and Parallel Universe Creation with D4C Ultimate; Kars resists the effects of Menger Sponge merging | Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time and eventually resets the universe with varying differences per reset.

Attack Potency:Country level+ (Flipped Britain) | At least Large Building level with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | Country level+ with Das Boot Ultimate (Its missiles could easily destroy Kars' and Dio's body) | Varies with Dune Ultimate (Its power depends on the sand amount in Kars' range) | At least Large Building level with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original The World) | Large Building level with Killer Queen (Ranked A in Power; is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Large Building level with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | Universe level+ with D4C Ultimate (Every parallel universe it travels through is created with its own timeline and events similar to the "root" universe by it) | Universe level+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate (MiH Ultimate makes time accelerate to infinity, which then follows to the end and rebirth of the universe)

Speed:Hypersonic with Massively FTL reactions (This is the same Kars from the J-Universe) | Massively FTL with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | Hypersonic with Das Boot Ultimate (Combined or divided, it can keep up with Dio and Kars) | At least Subsonic+ with Dune Ultimate (Crossed a total distance of 8 kilometers in 2 minutes) | Infinite with The World Ultimate (Blitzed Gold Experience Requiem) | Massively FTL with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | Massively FTL with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Massively FTL with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | Massively FTL with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C) | Infinite with Made in Heaven Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Made in Heaven; will eventually reach these speeds with time acceleration.)

Lifting Strength: At least Class 25+ | Unknown with Whitesnake Ultimate | Unknown with Das Boot Ultimate | Unknown with Dune Ultimate | Unknown with Dune Ultimate | Unknown with The World Ultimate | Unknown with C-Moon Ultimate | Unknown with Killer Queen | Unknown with D4C Ultimate | Unknown with Made in Heaven Ultimate

Striking Strength:Country Class+ | At least Large Building Class with Whitesnake Ultimate | Country Class+ with Das Boot Ultimate | Varies with Dune Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with The World Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with C-Moon Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with Killer Queen | At least Large Building Class with D4C Ultimate (This is for D4C Ultimate's physical strikes, which should be comparable to the original D4C) | At least Large Building Class with Made in Heaven Ultimate

Durability:Country level+ (Evenly matched with Dio Brando, who could not kill him). Regeneration makes him difficult to kill. | At least Large Building level with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | At least Large Building level with Das Boot Ultimate due to sheer size | Unknown with Dune Ultimate (Made purely out of sand, meaning there is no formal way of harming it, but a 200x300 pillar of rock made by it was said to be stronger than dozens of small buildings, or at least Large Building level) | At least Large Building level with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original The World) | At least Large Building level with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | Large Building level with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Large Building level with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | At least Large Building level with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C) | Universe level+ with Made in Heaven

Stamina: Limitless

Range: 100 kilometers (Created tendrils that wrapped around a spaceship from this distance) | At least 20 meters with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | At least 8 kilometers with Das Boot Ultimate (The original Das Boot was attacking Kars' moon, which was eight kilometers from the surface of Mars) | At least Planetary with Dune Ultimate (Its original was capable of gathering the entirety of sand on Mars) | At least 10 meters with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to original The World); Time Stop has universal range | 3 kilometer radius with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | 1 meter with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Universal with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe.) | At least 2 meters with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C); Universal with D4C Ultimate's ability | Universal+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate

Standard Equipment: Nothing Notable | Das Boot Ultimate, Dune Ultimate, The World Ultimate, Killer Queen and Bites the Dust, D4C Ultimate | Whitesnake Ultimate | C-Moon Ultimate | Made in Heaven Ultimate

Intelligence: Supergenius (Capable of understanding concepts such as Stands, Parallel Worlds, and Heaven in seconds; knowledgeable on almost every living organism and their limits. He had easily and quickly determined that Joji and Dio were singularities when he determining Dio's plans and weaknesses with the Passion.)

Weaknesses: Nothing Notable | Whitesnake Ultimate has to create physical contact with a target to extract or put in discs. | The more Das Boot splits into individual submarines, the less power a single Das Boot can give. | Nothing Notable with Dune Ultimate | The World Ultimate can only stop time for at least one hour; it can be countered with some other forms of time manipulation (i.e. Time Acceleration) or someone else aware of Time Stop | Nothing Notable with C-Moon Ultimate | Killer Queen requires direct contact to place a bomb. Killer Queen can only create one bomb at a time. The primary bomb cannot detonate in a vacuum. | Kars must be between two objects of any kind in order to travel to another universe. | Made in Heaven Ultimate's time acceleration slowly increases over time and must constantly accelerate in order to reset the universe.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Light Mode: Kars causes blades of bone to erupt from his limbs, each with a series of revolving saw teeth which move at speeds fast enough to make the blades appear to be glowing. This allows Kars to reflect light and manipulate it while his blades can cut through almost anything, such as steel and multiple layers of armor. In the events of the book, Kars has shown to be able to emit numerous explosions and lasers while using this ability.
The Ultimate Lifeform: Upon achieving perfection, Kars' DNA changes drastically. His DNA is flexible, being able to convert and evolve in any way, shape or form. His Body Manipulation has become so advanced he can manipulate parts of his body to give birth to completely different organisms. These said organisms could turn into anything biological on a whim, despite any size or power difference, by his will and do as Kars pleases. This usually goes to the extent that he transform his arms into wings and fly.
Conceptual Understanding: If Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability that he has not seen or been able to used, it takes just a little exposure before he "understands" this concept and is capable of using it as his own, usually far beyond the capabilities of the person or source of the concept. This is how he gained so many Stands within the story.
Whitesnake Ultimate: Whitesnake is a large, black-and-white humanoid Stand. Its body is covered with horizontal lines of KARS all over its body and has three distinct heads. It's likely to use melee attacks alongside its ability.
Discs: Whitesnake Ultimate can generate discs from other living beings in two formats: Memory Discs and Stand (the soul) Discs. Memory Discs can be read and see the memories of the target, and Stand Discs contain a Stand or soul of the target and can be used to obtain and use said Stand and its ability. Kars can insert the Memory Disc and Stand Disc of anyone he could obtain it from due to his nature.
Blank Discs: Since Kars is the Ultimate Lifeform, he is capable of exporting a likely infinite amount of Stand Discs of his own, usually ones that are blank. These blank Stand discs would enter a body as nothing, but the body would still attempt to register it as a regular Stand disc, which causes the deterioration and breakdown of the affected body.
Das Boot Ultimate: Das Boot Ultimate is a submarine Stand that takes the shape of one large submarine with various missile launchers on its sides and underside that it attacks with. It can split itself into other, smaller Das Boots that independently act on their own.
Intangibility: Das Boot can insert itself inside other objects and use its missile to attack specific parts. Its missiles are precise enough to either simply destroy objects outright or only destroy specific parts of an object (i.e. a human brain)
Dune Ultimate: Dune Ultimate is a large Stand composed entirely of Sand and a grinning head with sharp teeth. When using its ability, it usually has its head(s) form around the shapes it shifts into.
Sand/Earth Manipulation: Dune Ultimate uses any available sand within its area, or simply the amount of sand its composed of by default, in any way it pleases.
Sand Body: Much like Dune's original body, Kars can also use sand to make it up to 98% of his body composition. This can make him mostly unable to be harmed by normal means.
The World Ultimate: The World ultimate is a large, yellow humanoid Stand with cog designs on its fists and air tanks on the back of its body. It is personalized by a K on the chin of it. It uses melee attacks. It is also acausal, as seen by completely ignoring the effects of Gold Experience Requiem and strangling it.
Time Stop: The World Ultimate's main ability is to stop time, allowing itself and Kars to act within the duration of stopped time for at least an hour.
C-Moon Ultimate: C-Moon Ultimate is the evolution of Whitesnake Ultimate gained from the Stand Arrow. It has the same three heads as its previous form, but has an arrow imprint on the main head's forehead.
Gravity Manipulation: C-Moon Ultimate inverses the gravity around Kars, forcing any unfixed object within a radius of three kilometers to move away from him. This also gives C-Moon and Kars the ability to levitate. Any contact from C-Moon will increase the force of gravity in said object, causing it to turn inside-out. The only people unaffected by these gravitational changes is Kars, C-Moon, and those strong enough to ignore the force of gravity (such as Dio).
Killer Queen: Originally the Stand of Yoshikage Kira, but was stolen from him by Kars. It is a tall, muscular, pink humanoid Stand with cat-like features and skull decorations all over its body. It attacks by using melee attacks, but only activates his ability by pressing its thumb down similar to pressing a detonation switch.
The First Bomb (Transmutation): By touch, Killer Queen may charge any object as a bomb. If a charged object is touched, the charge travels from that object into the whole of a target before exploding and destroying it completely. Kars may also detonate the same bomb again at any previous point. However, only one bomb can be maintained at any given time.
The Third Bomb (Bites the Dust): Unlike it's J-Universe counterpart, Kars can simply activate Bites the Dust whenever he wishes to. A bomb is placed on a target and blown up similar to the primary bomb's functions. The instant they are blown up, time will reverse from an hour prior. Everyone BUT the victim (and ultimately Kars) will have no memory of the happenings of the moments in reversed time. The bomb can be undone at any time when Kars wishes.
Fate Manipulation: After being blown up once, no matter if the victim and the target encounter once again, the target(s) will be bound to blow up again, but this time time will NOT rewind, not unless another target triggers Bites the Dust.
D4C Ultimate: Short for Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap Ultimate, it is a blue-and-pink humanoid Stand with insanely large, curved ears. It uses melee attacks in conjunction with its ability. The reason why D4C's ability works so well is due to the concept of gravity.
Parallel Universe Creation: When D4C Ultimate travels through parallel universes, it is actually creating new universes with distinct timelines of its own similar to the "root" universe, or the universe that contains Singularities (one thing that only happens once in a universe). These parallel worlds are considered as "not real" and meaningless to the "root" universe, but still coexist alongside it once made.
Dimension Hopping: When D4C Ultimate and Kars are between two objects, Kars can hop between one of many parallel worlds created by D4C Ultimate. Anything can be used from doors, water, or even steam to travel to another world. Even if Kars has a partial amount of him able to travel, he will still be able to take his entire body with him. Kars can also take other people in these parallel worlds or move them to another one.
Merging: When Kars takes an individual and takes them to a parallel world, Kars can cause them to meet their parallel selves. If they make contact or get too close to each other, they will begin to crumble and pull each other into one another, creating a Menger Sponge, and completely obliterating each other from existence. This rule does not apply to Kars himself.
Made in Heaven Ultimate: Made in Heaven Ultimate is the evolution of C-Moon. It has the same three heads as its previous form, but is now a half-humanoid half-horse with speedometers decorating various parts of it body.
Time Acceleration: Made in Heaven will begin to slowly speed up the flow of time throughout the entire universe, affecting everything within it except for living organisms. The effects are slow at first, but eventually time will accelerate at Infinite speeds. This extreme rate of speed is fast enough that Kars can bypass or not be affected by abilities such as time stop.
Universe Reset: Eventually, the speed of time will reach to the end of the universe itself, and then it will be recreated. When the universe resets, no matter what happens in the previous universe, a completely different timeline and universe is made. This has gone to the extent of instead of having seven continents in the first universe, all land is formed together as a Pangea continent in the thirty-seventh universe.
Key:Novel Kars | Das Boot Ultimate and other Various Stands | Whitesnake Ultimate | C-Moon Ultimate | Made in Heaven Ultimate

How does Novel not win this

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(Dec. 01, 2020  11:06 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: But where would he get the exposure? Beerus has divine ki which is different from regular ki.

Seeing various ki powered moves.

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:09 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:07 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Name: Kars

Origin:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure(JORGE JOESTAR)

Gender: Male

Age: ~10,000,000,000,102,000

Classification: The Ultimate Lifeform

Powers and Abilitiesuperhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Body Control, Biological Manipulation(Could alter the physical bodies of others by altering specific points in the brain; turned Yoshikage Kira's body into a pile of heads from a drop of blood on his tie), Absorption, Light Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation via Light Mode, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (Mid-High), Resistance to Explosion Manipulation and Time Manipulation (Killer Queen's primary and third bomb did not affect Kars whatsoever, no matter the intensity of the explosion), Resistance to Willpower Manipulation (Should be comparable to Dio, as he gained his new abilities by eating him), Shapeshifting, Soul Manipulation (Grabbed Killer Queen, which is also Yoshikage Kira's soul, out of his body and made it attack Kira himself; disassembled Narancia's Das Boot), Adaptation, Reactive Evolution, and Power Mimicry(can view an ability and/or concept and "understand it" while also being able to use it at mastery levels of skill if not greater than the source of said concept) | Creation of Stand and Memory discs that export or input Stands and souls with Whitesnake Ultimate | Dividing and Combining submarine units that fire missiles and dive inside objects with Das Boot Ultimate | Sand Manipulation and Earth Manipulation with Dune Ultimate | Time Stop and Acausality with The World Ultimate; Kars resists the effects of Time Stop when using it | Gravity Manipulation with C-Moon Ultimate | Explosion Manipulation and One Hit Kill with Killer Queen's primary bomb; same as the primary bomb alongside Rewinding Time with Bites the Dust. Any target inflicted with Bites the Dust is fated to fall to the same doom as before the time reversal | Portal Creation that allows Dimensional Travel, and Parallel Universe Creation with D4C Ultimate; Kars resists the effects of Menger Sponge merging | Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time and eventually resets the universe with varying differences per reset.

Attack Potency:Country level+ (Flipped Britain) | At least Large Building level with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | Country level+ with Das Boot Ultimate (Its missiles could easily destroy Kars' and Dio's body) | Varies with Dune Ultimate (Its power depends on the sand amount in Kars' range) | At least Large Building level with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original The World) | Large Building level with Killer Queen (Ranked A in Power; is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Large Building level with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | Universe level+ with D4C Ultimate (Every parallel universe it travels through is created with its own timeline and events similar to the "root" universe by it) | Universe level+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate (MiH Ultimate makes time accelerate to infinity, which then follows to the end and rebirth of the universe)

Speed:Hypersonic with Massively FTL reactions (This is the same Kars from the J-Universe) | Massively FTL with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | Hypersonic with Das Boot Ultimate (Combined or divided, it can keep up with Dio and Kars) | At least Subsonic+ with Dune Ultimate (Crossed a total distance of 8 kilometers in 2 minutes) | Infinite with The World Ultimate (Blitzed Gold Experience Requiem) | Massively FTL with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | Massively FTL with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Massively FTL with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | Massively FTL with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C) | Infinite with Made in Heaven Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Made in Heaven; will eventually reach these speeds with time acceleration.)

Lifting Strength: At least Class 25+ | Unknown with Whitesnake Ultimate | Unknown with Das Boot Ultimate | Unknown with Dune Ultimate | Unknown with Dune Ultimate | Unknown with The World Ultimate | Unknown with C-Moon Ultimate | Unknown with Killer Queen | Unknown with D4C Ultimate | Unknown with Made in Heaven Ultimate

Striking Strength:Country Class+ | At least Large Building Class with Whitesnake Ultimate | Country Class+ with Das Boot Ultimate | Varies with Dune Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with The World Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with C-Moon Ultimate | At least Large Building Class with Killer Queen | At least Large Building Class with D4C Ultimate (This is for D4C Ultimate's physical strikes, which should be comparable to the original D4C) | At least Large Building Class with Made in Heaven Ultimate

Durability:Country level+ (Evenly matched with Dio Brando, who could not kill him). Regeneration makes him difficult to kill. | At least Large Building level with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | At least Large Building level with Das Boot Ultimate due to sheer size | Unknown with Dune Ultimate (Made purely out of sand, meaning there is no formal way of harming it, but a 200x300 pillar of rock made by it was said to be stronger than dozens of small buildings, or at least Large Building level) | At least Large Building level with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original The World) | At least Large Building level with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | Large Building level with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Large Building level with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe) | At least Large Building level with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C) | Universe level+ with Made in Heaven

Stamina: Limitless

Range: 100 kilometers (Created tendrils that wrapped around a spaceship from this distance) | At least 20 meters with Whitesnake Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original Whitesnake) | At least 8 kilometers with Das Boot Ultimate (The original Das Boot was attacking Kars' moon, which was eight kilometers from the surface of Mars) | At least Planetary with Dune Ultimate (Its original was capable of gathering the entirety of sand on Mars) | At least 10 meters with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to original The World); Time Stop has universal range | 3 kilometer radius with C-Moon Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original C-Moon) | 1 meter with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Universal with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe.) | At least 2 meters with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to the original D4C); Universal with D4C Ultimate's ability | Universal+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate

Standard Equipment: Nothing Notable | Das Boot Ultimate, Dune Ultimate, The World Ultimate, Killer Queen and Bites the Dust, D4C Ultimate | Whitesnake Ultimate | C-Moon Ultimate | Made in Heaven Ultimate

Intelligence: Supergenius (Capable of understanding concepts such as Stands, Parallel Worlds, and Heaven in seconds; knowledgeable on almost every living organism and their limits. He had easily and quickly determined that Joji and Dio were singularities when he determining Dio's plans and weaknesses with the Passion.)

Weaknesses: Nothing Notable | Whitesnake Ultimate has to create physical contact with a target to extract or put in discs. | The more Das Boot splits into individual submarines, the less power a single Das Boot can give. | Nothing Notable with Dune Ultimate | The World Ultimate can only stop time for at least one hour; it can be countered with some other forms of time manipulation (i.e. Time Acceleration) or someone else aware of Time Stop | Nothing Notable with C-Moon Ultimate | Killer Queen requires direct contact to place a bomb. Killer Queen can only create one bomb at a time. The primary bomb cannot detonate in a vacuum. | Kars must be between two objects of any kind in order to travel to another universe. | Made in Heaven Ultimate's time acceleration slowly increases over time and must constantly accelerate in order to reset the universe.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Light Mode: Kars causes blades of bone to erupt from his limbs, each with a series of revolving saw teeth which move at speeds fast enough to make the blades appear to be glowing. This allows Kars to reflect light and manipulate it while his blades can cut through almost anything, such as steel and multiple layers of armor. In the events of the book, Kars has shown to be able to emit numerous explosions and lasers while using this ability.
The Ultimate Lifeform: Upon achieving perfection, Kars' DNA changes drastically. His DNA is flexible, being able to convert and evolve in any way, shape or form. His Body Manipulation has become so advanced he can manipulate parts of his body to give birth to completely different organisms. These said organisms could turn into anything biological on a whim, despite any size or power difference, by his will and do as Kars pleases. This usually goes to the extent that he transform his arms into wings and fly.
Conceptual Understanding: If Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability that he has not seen or been able to used, it takes just a little exposure before he "understands" this concept and is capable of using it as his own, usually far beyond the capabilities of the person or source of the concept. This is how he gained so many Stands within the story.
Whitesnake Ultimate: Whitesnake is a large, black-and-white humanoid Stand. Its body is covered with horizontal lines of KARS all over its body and has three distinct heads. It's likely to use melee attacks alongside its ability.
Discs: Whitesnake Ultimate can generate discs from other living beings in two formats: Memory Discs and Stand (the soul) Discs. Memory Discs can be read and see the memories of the target, and Stand Discs contain a Stand or soul of the target and can be used to obtain and use said Stand and its ability. Kars can insert the Memory Disc and Stand Disc of anyone he could obtain it from due to his nature.
Blank Discs: Since Kars is the Ultimate Lifeform, he is capable of exporting a likely infinite amount of Stand Discs of his own, usually ones that are blank. These blank Stand discs would enter a body as nothing, but the body would still attempt to register it as a regular Stand disc, which causes the deterioration and breakdown of the affected body.
Das Boot Ultimate: Das Boot Ultimate is a submarine Stand that takes the shape of one large submarine with various missile launchers on its sides and underside that it attacks with. It can split itself into other, smaller Das Boots that independently act on their own.
Intangibility: Das Boot can insert itself inside other objects and use its missile to attack specific parts. Its missiles are precise enough to either simply destroy objects outright or only destroy specific parts of an object (i.e. a human brain)
Dune Ultimate: Dune Ultimate is a large Stand composed entirely of Sand and a grinning head with sharp teeth. When using its ability, it usually has its head(s) form around the shapes it shifts into.
Sand/Earth Manipulation: Dune Ultimate uses any available sand within its area, or simply the amount of sand its composed of by default, in any way it pleases.
Sand Body: Much like Dune's original body, Kars can also use sand to make it up to 98% of his body composition. This can make him mostly unable to be harmed by normal means.
The World Ultimate: The World ultimate is a large, yellow humanoid Stand with cog designs on its fists and air tanks on the back of its body. It is personalized by a K on the chin of it. It uses melee attacks. It is also acausal, as seen by completely ignoring the effects of Gold Experience Requiem and strangling it.
Time Stop: The World Ultimate's main ability is to stop time, allowing itself and Kars to act within the duration of stopped time for at least an hour.
C-Moon Ultimate: C-Moon Ultimate is the evolution of Whitesnake Ultimate gained from the Stand Arrow. It has the same three heads as its previous form, but has an arrow imprint on the main head's forehead.
Gravity Manipulation: C-Moon Ultimate inverses the gravity around Kars, forcing any unfixed object within a radius of three kilometers to move away from him. This also gives C-Moon and Kars the ability to levitate. Any contact from C-Moon will increase the force of gravity in said object, causing it to turn inside-out. The only people unaffected by these gravitational changes is Kars, C-Moon, and those strong enough to ignore the force of gravity (such as Dio).
Killer Queen: Originally the Stand of Yoshikage Kira, but was stolen from him by Kars. It is a tall, muscular, pink humanoid Stand with cat-like features and skull decorations all over its body. It attacks by using melee attacks, but only activates his ability by pressing its thumb down similar to pressing a detonation switch.
The First Bomb (Transmutation): By touch, Killer Queen may charge any object as a bomb. If a charged object is touched, the charge travels from that object into the whole of a target before exploding and destroying it completely. Kars may also detonate the same bomb again at any previous point. However, only one bomb can be maintained at any given time.
The Third Bomb (Bites the Dust): Unlike it's J-Universe counterpart, Kars can simply activate Bites the Dust whenever he wishes to. A bomb is placed on a target and blown up similar to the primary bomb's functions. The instant they are blown up, time will reverse from an hour prior. Everyone BUT the victim (and ultimately Kars) will have no memory of the happenings of the moments in reversed time. The bomb can be undone at any time when Kars wishes.
Fate Manipulation: After being blown up once, no matter if the victim and the target encounter once again, the target(s) will be bound to blow up again, but this time time will NOT rewind, not unless another target triggers Bites the Dust.
D4C Ultimate: Short for Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap Ultimate, it is a blue-and-pink humanoid Stand with insanely large, curved ears. It uses melee attacks in conjunction with its ability. The reason why D4C's ability works so well is due to the concept of gravity.
Parallel Universe Creation: When D4C Ultimate travels through parallel universes, it is actually creating new universes with distinct timelines of its own similar to the "root" universe, or the universe that contains Singularities (one thing that only happens once in a universe). These parallel worlds are considered as "not real" and meaningless to the "root" universe, but still coexist alongside it once made.
Dimension Hopping: When D4C Ultimate and Kars are between two objects, Kars can hop between one of many parallel worlds created by D4C Ultimate. Anything can be used from doors, water, or even steam to travel to another world. Even if Kars has a partial amount of him able to travel, he will still be able to take his entire body with him. Kars can also take other people in these parallel worlds or move them to another one.
Merging: When Kars takes an individual and takes them to a parallel world, Kars can cause them to meet their parallel selves. If they make contact or get too close to each other, they will begin to crumble and pull each other into one another, creating a Menger Sponge, and completely obliterating each other from existence. This rule does not apply to Kars himself.
Made in Heaven Ultimate: Made in Heaven Ultimate is the evolution of C-Moon. It has the same three heads as its previous form, but is now a half-humanoid half-horse with speedometers decorating various parts of it body.
Time Acceleration: Made in Heaven will begin to slowly speed up the flow of time throughout the entire universe, affecting everything within it except for living organisms. The effects are slow at first, but eventually time will accelerate at Infinite speeds. This extreme rate of speed is fast enough that Kars can bypass or not be affected by abilities such as time stop.
Universe Reset: Eventually, the speed of time will reach to the end of the universe itself, and then it will be recreated. When the universe resets, no matter what happens in the previous universe, a completely different timeline and universe is made. This has gone to the extent of instead of having seven continents in the first universe, all land is formed together as a Pangea continent in the thirty-seventh universe.
Key:Novel Kars | Das Boot Ultimate and other Various Stands | Whitesnake Ultimate | C-Moon Ultimate | Made in Heaven Ultimate

How does Novel not win this

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Seeing various ki powered moves.

In the words of Saitama 20 words or less

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New battle (I do not concede) Yugi with unlimited trap cards vs novel Kars.

Kars: it’s over Yugi

Yugi: You’ve activated my trap card, mirror force, then I lay a monster in face down position [5 hours later]

*eventually Kars stopped thinking*

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:14 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:09 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: In the words of Saitama 20 words or less

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New battle (I do not concede) Yugi with unlimited trap cards vs novel Kars.

Kars: it’s over Yugi

Yugi: You’ve activated my trap card, mirror force, then I lay a monster in face down position [5 hours later]

*eventually Kars stopped thinking*

I mean Kars could just extract Beerus soul using a Blank Disc. Also lol.

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:17 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:14 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: I mean Kars could just extract Beerus soul using a Blank Disc. Also lol.

Disks store stands and memories, not souls (at least canonically)

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:26 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:17 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Disks store stands and memories, not souls (at least canonically)

Oops sorry, not using a blank disc. A blank disc used by Kars does this.
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is also capable of creating more than likely an infinite amount of blank disks that when shoved into someone will attempt to register it as a stand thus causing their body to breakdown and be destroyed. This was demonstrated on Dio when he was completely immortal and was killed by this ability. [/font]
Also Novel ripped out Killer Queen and used it against Kira. I believe stands are representations of a persons soul, so he grabbed Kira's soul and attacked him with it.

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Also Novel is a good guy why would he enslave the universe

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:28 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:26 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Oops sorry, not using a blank disc. A blank disc used by Kars does this.
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is also capable of creating more than likely an infinite amount of blank disks that when shoved into someone will attempt to register it as a stand thus causing their body to breakdown and be destroyed. This was demonstrated on Dio when he was completely immortal and was killed by this ability. [/font]
Also Novel ripped out Killer Queen and used it against Kira. I believe stands are representations of a persons soul, so he grabbed Kira's soul and attacked him with it.

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Also Novel is a good guy why would he enslave the universe

I think I’ll concede now. But he wouldn’t beat saitama.

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:33 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: DOJYANN- Funny Valentine
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP- Funny Valentine

(Dec. 02, 2020  12:29 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 01, 2020  11:33 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: DOJYANN- Funny Valentine
DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP- Funny Valentine

Funnier Valentine and The Funniest Valentine: *menacing*

Yes these are actual (non canon) characters