(Oct. 30, 2020  7:31 PM)Dracieleone Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  4:58 PM)Admiral W Wrote: He deserved at least one true victory over Gingka. Never got it unfortunately.

He did beat Ginga, in that battle royale match.

(Oct. 30, 2020  1:18 PM)Zeutron Wrote: That’s because it’s a difference of multiple legendary  bladers two of which happened to be Kenta and Gingka as well as three additional support bladers, obviously they did better that’s not a good point. Also he didn’t always train to control that power, that was only when he had lightning L-Drago. He already stated that the power was his own once Meteo L-Drago was obtained. From there it was always training to get stronger and endure more. Also earlier you mentioned that Kyoya beat Damian but in the manga Ryuga beat Faust (the metal fusion final boss) all on his own, a blader undoubtedly far better than Damian while Gingka and Masamune had to team up to even win. As for what you said about L-Drago getting special treatment, it’s true but that doesn’t justify Kyoya being a better blader or harder worker because it doesn’t change the fact that Ryuga was implicitly meant to be the stronger blader and harder worker from the very beginning as he is the deuteragonist of mfb. Both the manga and anime stress that Ryuga was the only person fit to control L-Drago’s power so it’s definitely a two way thing between Ryuga and L-Drago. Another point you make is that he had a “normal bey” but let’s be honest he definitely didn’t. In metal fusion, Pegasus and L-Drago were originally thought to be special because they we’re two opposing twins birthed from two star fragments however as it turns out, in metal fury they weren’t the only two beys born from star fragments (hint hint) so it turned out Kyoya had a special bey all along as well.

(Oct. 30, 2020  7:34 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I'm talking about a 1v1 true win.

(Oct. 30, 2020  8:05 PM)Dracieleone Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  1:18 PM)Zeutron Wrote: That’s because it’s a difference of multiple legendary  bladers two of which happened to be Kenta and Gingka as well as three additional support bladers, obviously they did better that’s not a good point. Also he didn’t always train to control that power, that was only when he had lightning L-Drago. He already stated that the power was his own once Meteo L-Drago was obtained. From there it was always training to get stronger and endure more. Also earlier you mentioned that Kyoya beat Damian but in the manga Ryuga beat Faust (the metal fusion final boss) all on his own, a blader undoubtedly far better than Damian while Gingka and Masamune had to team up to even win. As for what you said about L-Drago getting special treatment, it’s true but that doesn’t justify Kyoya being a better blader or harder worker because it doesn’t change the fact that Ryuga was implicitly meant to be the stronger blader and harder worker from the very beginning as he is the deuteragonist of mfb. Both the manga and anime stress that Ryuga was the only person fit to control L-Drago’s power so it’s definitely a two way thing between Ryuga and L-Drago. Another point you make is that he had a “normal bey” but let’s be honest he definitely didn’t. In metal fusion, Pegasus and L-Drago were originally thought to be special because they we’re two opposing twins birthed from two star fragments however as it turns out, in metal fury they weren’t the only two beys born from star fragments (hint hint) so it turned out Kyoya had a special bey all along as well.

1.  It is a good point, because it shows how Kyoya has grown, as a blader.  As soon as he got Fang Leone, he was ready to challenge the other legendary bladers, even though he doesn't know what it can actually do.  However, when it's time to fight Nemesis,  he doesn't just go and charge in, by himself, because he knows what it's capable of.  Meanwhile, Ryuga let his ego get in the way, and because of that, got L-Drago destroyed.  

2.  The only reason Ryuga could wield L-Drago was because Hades inc./Dark Nebula "created" him for the specific purpose of wielding it.  L-Drago didn't choose him, the Dark Nebula choose him for L-Drago.  L-Drago's whole thing is that it's very powerful, but it corrupts whoever uses it.  That's what Ryuga's training is about;  prevented himself from getting corrupted.  

3.  Funny how you mention Ryuga vs. Faust in the manga, because Ginga would beat Ryuga in Ultimate Bladers.  On that note, why is there no good place to read the later MFB manga, in 2020?

4.  You know what I mean, when I said "special treatment".

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(Oct. 30, 2020  7:34 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I'm talking about a 1v1 true win.

I like to believe that Kyoya defeated Ginga, off-screen, and accidentally destroyed Pegasis; which explains why Ginga has Samurai Pegasis, in Zero-G.

(Oct. 30, 2020  8:05 PM)Dracieleone Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  1:18 PM)Zeutron Wrote: That’s because it’s a difference of multiple legendary  bladers two of which happened to be Kenta and Gingka as well as three additional support bladers, obviously they did better that’s not a good point. Also he didn’t always train to control that power, that was only when he had lightning L-Drago. He already stated that the power was his own once Meteo L-Drago was obtained. From there it was always training to get stronger and endure more. Also earlier you mentioned that Kyoya beat Damian but in the manga Ryuga beat Faust (the metal fusion final boss) all on his own, a blader undoubtedly far better than Damian while Gingka and Masamune had to team up to even win. As for what you said about L-Drago getting special treatment, it’s true but that doesn’t justify Kyoya being a better blader or harder worker because it doesn’t change the fact that Ryuga was implicitly meant to be the stronger blader and harder worker from the very beginning as he is the deuteragonist of mfb. Both the manga and anime stress that Ryuga was the only person fit to control L-Drago’s power so it’s definitely a two way thing between Ryuga and L-Drago. Another point you make is that he had a “normal bey” but let’s be honest he definitely didn’t. In metal fusion, Pegasus and L-Drago were originally thought to be special because they we’re two opposing twins birthed from two star fragments however as it turns out, in metal fury they weren’t the only two beys born from star fragments (hint hint) so it turned out Kyoya had a special bey all along as well.

1.  It is a good point, because it shows how Kyoya has grown, as a blader.  As soon as he got Fang Leone, he was ready to challenge the other legendary bladers, even though he doesn't know what it can actually do.  However, when it's time to fight Nemesis,  he doesn't just go and charge in, by himself, because he knows what it's capable of.  Meanwhile, Ryuga let his ego get in the way, and because of that, got L-Drago destroyed.  

2.  The only reason Ryuga could wield L-Drago was because Hades inc./Dark Nebula "created" him for the specific purpose of wielding it.  L-Drago didn't choose him, the Dark Nebula choose him for L-Drago.  L-Drago's whole thing is that it's very powerful, but it corrupts whoever uses it.  That's what Ryuga's training is about;  prevented himself from getting corrupted.  

3.  Funny how you mention Ryuga vs. Faust in the manga, because Ginga would beat Ryuga in Ultimate Bladers.  On that note, why is there no good place to read the later MFB manga, in 2020?

4.  You know what I mean, when I said "special treatment".

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(Oct. 30, 2020  7:34 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I'm talking about a 1v1 true win.

I like to believe that Kyoya defeated Ginga, off-screen, and accidentally destroyed Pegasis; which explains why Ginga has Samurai Pegasis, in Zero-G.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:11 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  8:05 PM)Dracieleone Wrote: 1.  It is a good point, because it shows how Kyoya has grown, as a blader.  As soon as he got Fang Leone, he was ready to challenge the other legendary bladers, even though he doesn't know what it can actually do.  However, when it's time to fight Nemesis,  he doesn't just go and charge in, by himself, because he knows what it's capable of.  Meanwhile, Ryuga let his ego get in the way, and because of that, got L-Drago destroyed.  

2.  The only reason Ryuga could wield L-Drago was because Hades inc./Dark Nebula "created" him for the specific purpose of wielding it.  L-Drago didn't choose him, the Dark Nebula choose him for L-Drago.  L-Drago's whole thing is that it's very powerful, but it corrupts whoever uses it.  That's what Ryuga's training is about;  prevented himself from getting corrupted.  

3.  Funny how you mention Ryuga vs. Faust in the manga, because Ginga would beat Ryuga in Ultimate Bladers.  On that note, why is there no good place to read the later MFB manga, in 2020?

4.  You know what I mean, when I said "special treatment".

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I like to believe that Kyoya defeated Ginga, off-screen, and accidentally destroyed Pegasis; which explains why Ginga has Samurai Pegasis, in Zero-G.

It isn’t a good example because it doesn’t prove your point of Kyoya being superior to Ryuga in terms of power nor that Kyoya trains harder. Additionally Gingka beat Ryuga around the time he got Big Bang Pegasus in the manga which was far after Ryuga beat Faust while their battle in the explosion chapters resulted in a draw. The fact that the dark nebula chose Ryuga to wield L-Drago doesn’t change the fact that he was the only person who could harness it and it was mentioned that he brought out its true powers, something which he proved through his purification and evolution of L-Drago. Also I didn’t quite catch what you said about “special treatment.” so I’m sorry if I interpreted that wrong. Ultimately, the creator of metal fight always intended for the two best bladers to be Gingka and Ryuga and stated so himself, so the theory of Kyoya being better is pretty much invalid. Portrayal and fact are not always the same thing. Kyoya is definitely a strong blader and I’m sure he comes close but he just isn’t as good.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:25 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:11 PM)Zeutron Wrote: It isn’t a good example because it doesn’t prove your point of Kyoya being superior to Ryuga in terms of power nor that Kyoya trains harder. Additionally Gingka beat Ryuga around the time he got Big Bang Pegasus in the manga which was far after Ryuga beat Faust while their battle in the explosion chapters resulted in a draw. The fact that the dark nebula chose Ryuga to wield L-Drago doesn’t change the fact that he was the only person who could harness it and it was mentioned that he brought out its true powers, something which he proved through his purification and evolution of L-Drago. Also I didn’t quite catch what you said about “special treatment.” so I’m sorry if I interpreted that wrong. Ultimately, the creator of metal fight always intended for the two best bladers to be Gingka and Ryuga and stated so himself, so the theory of Kyoya being better is pretty much invalid. Portrayal and fact are not always the same thing. Kyoya is definitely a strong blader and I’m sure he comes close but he just isn’t as good.

I wonder whether Kyoya defeated Tithi at the end of the MFB Metal fury or not because Aguma defeated Kyoya and Tithi defeated Aguma. And also, Ryuga is more powerful than Kyoya. I am not saying the he is working harder, but his genetics make him far stronger than Kyoya both physically and mentally. The match between Kyoya and Ryuga were far closer than most people think. Both in Metal Fusion and Metal Fury, Kyoya draw out the full power of Ryuga and lost. Ryuga acknowledged that Kyoya is not "half-bad". And talking about "Gingka lending Ryuga's strength". I think they were referring to Jack, not Damian. And i think that Ryuga could lose against Julian because in the dub it itself said that L-Drago was stopped dead in it's tracks and Ryuga went down, but i still think he would win against Damian. The reasons for this are that Julian has a left-rotation bey, meaning that Ryuga can't absorb it's powers. It has the world's stronges armor, medusa's eyes and black excalibur. Medusa's eyes would stop L-Drago as L-Drago is not as strong as Hades Kerbecs as a bey, but it's special moves and beasts are stronger than Hades Kerbecs. Damian has a right-spin bey so he would steal powers and win. And anyway, in every beyblade series, a dragon bey usually has lost to a bey from europe with a warrior as beast and has still won against cereberus type beys so i don't think winning against Damian means that he could also win against Julian.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:28 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:25 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: I wonder whether Kyoya defeated Tithi at the end of the MFB Metal fury or not because Aguma defeated Kyoya and Tithi defeated Aguma. And also, Ryuga is more powerful than Kyoya. I am not saying the he is working harder, but his genetics make him far stronger than Kyoya both physically and mentally. The match between Kyoya and Ryuga were far closer than most people think. Both in Metal Fusion and Metal Fury, Kyoya draw out the full power of Ryuga and lost. Ryuga acknowledged that Kyoya is not "half-bad". And talking about "Gingka lending Ryuga's strength". I think they were referring to Jack, not Damian. And i think that Ryuga could lose against Julian because in the dub it itself said that L-Drago was stopped dead in it's tracks and Ryuga went down, but i still think he would win against Damian. The reasons for this are that Julian has a left-rotation bey, meaning that Ryuga can't absorb it's powers. It has the world's stronges armor, medusa's eyes and black excalibur. Medusa's eyes would stop L-Drago as L-Drago is not as strong as Hades Kerbecs as a bey, but it's special moves and beasts are stronger than Hades Kerbecs. Damian has a right-spin bey so he would steal powers and win. And anyway, in every beyblade series, a dragon bey usually has lost to a bey from europe with a warrior as beast and has still won against cereberus type beys so i don't think winning against Damian means that he could also win against Julian.

You make a really good valid point but here’s one thing, Julian also lost to Dashan. Ryuga did also beat King using his attack mode and he wasn’t able to absorb Kings power either.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

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(Oct. 30, 2020  9:28 PM)Zeutron Wrote: You make a really good valid point but here’s one thing, Julian also lost to Dashan. Ryuga did also beat King using his attack mode and he wasn’t able to absorb Kings power either.

Yeah, but that was after becoming a legendary blader. And in the dub, they clearly said that he went down. But that doesn't matter because i think he still would win against Damian.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:33 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

1. That’s a tough one, I honestly don’t know.
2. Ryo would probably destroy Julian, in my opinion Julian was a bit too unconfident to be competing with the big leagues.
3.Team Wang Hu Zhong, because they synergize extremely well together.
4. Damian, I just feel like he was stronger.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:33 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

1. That’s a tough one, I honestly don’t know.
2. Ryo would probably destroy Julian, in my opinion Julian was a bit too unconfident to be competing with the big leagues.
3.Team Wang Hu Zhong, because they synergize extremely well together.
4. Damian, I just feel like he was stronger.

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(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

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Yeah, but that was after becoming a legendary blader. And in the dub, they clearly said that he went down. But that doesn't matter because i think he still would win against Damian.

Went down? I’m sorry I don’t quite understand who went down against who? Not saying you are wrong just confused on which characters you are talking about becuase it’s been a while since I saw the dub lol.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

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(Oct. 30, 2020  9:28 PM)Zeutron Wrote: You make a really good valid point but here’s one thing, Julian also lost to Dashan. Ryuga did also beat King using his attack mode and he wasn’t able to absorb Kings power either.

Yeah, but that was after becoming a legendary blader. And in the dub, they clearly said that he went down. But that doesn't matter because i think he still would win against Damian.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:36 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:33 PM)Zeutron Wrote: 1. That’s a tough one, I honestly don’t know.
2. Ryo would probably destroy Julian, in my opinion Julian was a bit too unconfident to be competing with the big leagues.
3.Team Wang Hu Zhong, because they synergize extremely well together.
4. Damian, I just feel like he was stronger.

I agree but i still think it's weird that both Gingka and Ryuga would lose to Julian but win against Damian who is so much stronger than Julian. The same thing happened in Beywheelz. Jin Ryu is the counterpart of Ryuga. He lost to Odin, who is the counterpart of Julian, but he still won against Ryan who is the counterpart of Damian and that is not logical. It's kinda strange. In that way, Julian should also have won against Damian. Something just doesn't add up here.

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(Oct. 30, 2020  9:33 PM)Zeutron Wrote: 1. That’s a tough one, I honestly don’t know.
2. Ryo would probably destroy Julian, in my opinion Julian was a bit too unconfident to be competing with the big leagues.
3.Team Wang Hu Zhong, because they synergize extremely well together.
4. Damian, I just feel like he was stronger.

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Went down? I’m sorry I don’t quite understand who went down against who? Not saying you are wrong just confused on which characters you are talking about becuase it’s been a while since I saw the dub lol.

Ryuga went down against Julian.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:37 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:36 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: I agree but i still think it's weird that both Gingka and Ryuga would lose to Julian but win against Damian who is so much stronger than Julian. The same thing happened in Beywheelz. Jin Ryu is the counterpart of Ryuga. He lost to Odin, who is the counterpart of Julian, but he still won against Ryan who is the counterpart of Damian and that is not logical. It's kinda strange. In that way, Julian should also have won against Damian. Something just doesn't add up here.

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Ryuga went down against Julian.

Ahh ok, I honestly never knew Ryuga lost a battle in metal masters. I really gotta go back and watch this.

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:36 PM)EarthHelios Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:29 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Who do you think would win?

Gingka and Ryuga vs Damian and Faust?
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Julian?
Kyoya vs Reiji?
Team Excalibur vs Team Wang Hu Zhong?
Dashan vs Damian

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Yeah, but that was after becoming a legendary blader. And in the dub, they clearly said that he went down. But that doesn't matter because i think he still would win against Damian.

1. Gingka and Ryuga because even tho Faust and Damian are extremely strong Gingka and Ryuga could beat them even if the exhaust their own stamina.
2. Ryo
3.  Kyoya would crush Reiji
4. Team Wang Hu Zhong would clap Team Excalibur
5. I say Damian for the most

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:38 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:37 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Ahh ok, I honestly never knew Ryuga lost a battle in metal masters. I really gotta go back and watch this.

He didn't lose because the battle didn't finish. He only went down mentally.

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(Oct. 30, 2020  9:36 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: 1. Gingka and Ryuga because even tho Faust and Damian are extremely strong Gingka and Ryuga could beat them even if the exhaust their own stamina.
2. Ryo
3.  Kyoya would crush Reiji
4. Team Wang Hu Zhong would clap Team Excalibur
5. I say Damian for the most

How about Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Damian?

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:40 PM)EarthHelios Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:38 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: He didn't lose because the battle didn't finish. He only went down mentally.

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How about Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Damian?

Im going with Damian

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:46 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: MFB:
Ryuga vs. Gingka (Rematch)
Kyoya vs. Ryo
Kenta vs. Yu
Tsubasa vs. Reiji

(Oct. 30, 2020  9:46 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: MFB:
Ryuga vs. Gingka (Rematch)
Kyoya vs. Ryo
Kenta vs. Yu
Tsubasa vs. Reiji

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:24 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: How about Yoshio vs Damian?
Kenta vs Damian?
Gingka, Ryuga, Kyoya, Tsubasa vs Zeo, Jack, Damian and Faust?

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:26 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Ryuga vs full-powered Dark Tsubasa?

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:27 PM)EarthHelios Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:26 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Ryuga vs full-powered Dark Tsubasa?

Ryuga

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:28 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:27 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: Ryuga

So you think that if Tsubasa gave himself over to the dark power and let it grow out of control, and started to have desires to hurt, injury and even kill Ryuga he wouldn't be a threat against Ryuga still?

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:29 PM)EarthHelios Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:28 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: So you think that if Tsubasa gave himself over to the dark power and let it grow out of control, and started to have desires to hurt, injury and even kill Ryuga he wouldn't be a threat against Ryuga still?

Nah. Ryuga would be like: ¨ Dark Power is a child´s game¨ He could still beat him even without going full power

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:31 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 30, 2020  10:29 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: Nah. Ryuga would be like: ¨ Dark Power is a child´s game¨ He could still beat him even without going full power

LOL. But if Tsubasa didn't defeat it and the dark powers grew.

Anyway, imagine if Tsubasa din't recover in Metal Masters and Ryuga replaced him as Gangan galaxy's member. Imagine all the battle we could have had then.