(Jul. 05, 2012  4:39 AM)Clonetos Wrote: Random thought: Am I the only one who ever gave a carp about susanoo since the bey itself is so poory underrated...

(Jul. 06, 2012  3:32 AM)Tech Wrote: If we do find a way to incorporate the Zero-G stadium, then I can only imagine how much technique would be needed for younger kids to be able to launch decently in the stadium without self KO from the swaying...

I actually still haven't gotten used to launching in it, so imagine how hard it'll be for them...

(Jul. 05, 2012  12:53 AM)Crab Commando Wrote: I was playing around with my newer Bey parts this morning, trying to make a destabilizer/anti-230 combo, which I used against 230DS Stamina combos (is DS a good substitute for D on 230? My D's really worn). I used Phantom (Stamina) Cancer 230DS through most of the experimenting.

I noticed how Scythe can kinda overhang Tracks, keeping Scythe fairly low. I also decided to start off using low Tracks, as I still was figuring how I should have the combo contact the Stamina combo I tested it against. For a choice of tip, I used JB because of it's aggression, ability to tilt, and mediocre stamina. I started using Kronos as a Clear Wheel, but changed it to Quetzalcoatl when I learned the combo should hit the underside of the Metal Wheel of the opposing combo, and since Quetz has a good shape for "Clear Wheel-Attacking" and is projected from the flat Scythe, I figured it would work better.

As I remember, this is what combos I tried (Again, all against Phantom Cancer 230DS).
Scythe (Free-Spin) Kronos 90JB: Mostly failed. Cancer's 230 absorbed most of the blows because of the choice of height for Scythe.
Scythe (Free-Spin) Kronos 105JB: A slight improvement, but still couldn't hit the underside of Phantom.
Scythe (Free-Spin) Kronos CH120(120 mode)JB: A tad high (We need a 110/115!), but JB can do some slight tilting, so this problem is mostly solved by that. Mostly grinded near the lower part of Phantom, and didn't always hit the underside until both Beys started tilting, IIRC. This one worked pretty well.
Scythe (Free-Spin) Quetzalcoatl CH120JB: Like the one above, mostly. The Quetzalcoatl Clear Wheel was really helpful, though for "attacking" the underside of Phantom.

Now, for some quick notes:
I used JB instead of MB for tilting because I also needed the aggression to get up to Phantom faster.
I put Scythe on "Free-Spin Mode" to absorb any slight blows made by Phantom, and because of the fear of getting slight recoil from Scythe's PC Frame on the mode where the Frame stays put.

Alright then, that's pretty much all I have to say about the combo at the moment, haha. Crab out!

(Jul. 05, 2012  3:23 PM)Crab Commando Wrote: Adding on to that combo I was working on, I found D125 to work better than CH120. S130 doesn't seem to be that consistent, though.

(Jul. 06, 2012  8:27 PM)Mu Wrote: Hey Ingulit, have you tried the MF-H LDD/LDG BD145 XF tests yet... weak launching really works on this combo.

Even if it is BD145 XF (which is like the worst possible Beyblade Set-Up)

(Jul. 06, 2012  8:41 PM)Mu Wrote: Ingulit: Which did better for spin equalizing, BD145 XF or BD145 GCF ?

(Jul. 06, 2012  8:18 PM)Ingulit Wrote:

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(Jul. 05, 2012  12:53 AM)Crab Commando Wrote: I was playing around with my newer Bey parts this morning, trying to make a destabilizer/anti-230 combo, which I used against 230DS Stamina combos (is DS a good substitute for D on 230? My D's really worn). I used Phantom (Stamina) Cancer 230DS through most of the experimenting.

I noticed how Scythe can kinda overhang Tracks, keeping Scythe fairly low. I also decided to start off using low Tracks, as I still was figuring how I should have the combo contact the Stamina combo I tested it against. For a choice of tip, I used JB because of it's aggression, ability to tilt, and mediocre stamina. I started using Kronos as a Clear Wheel, but changed it to Quetzalcoatl when I learned the combo should hit the underside of the Metal Wheel of the opposing combo, and since Quetz has a good shape for "Clear Wheel-Attacking" and is projected from the flat Scythe, I figured it would work better.

As I remember, this is what combos I tried (Again, all against Phantom Cancer 230DS).
Scythe (Free-Spin) Kronos 90JB: Mostly failed. Cancer's 230 absorbed most of the blows because of the choice of height for Scythe.
Scythe (Free-Spin) Kronos 105JB: A slight improvement, but still couldn't hit the underside of Phantom.
Scythe (Free-Spin) Kronos CH120(120 mode)JB: A tad high (We need a 110/115!), but JB can do some slight tilting, so this problem is mostly solved by that. Mostly grinded near the lower part of Phantom, and didn't always hit the underside until both Beys started tilting, IIRC. This one worked pretty well.
Scythe (Free-Spin) Quetzalcoatl CH120JB: Like the one above, mostly. The Quetzalcoatl Clear Wheel was really helpful, though for "attacking" the underside of Phantom.

Now, for some quick notes:
I used JB instead of MB for tilting because I also needed the aggression to get up to Phantom faster.
I put Scythe on "Free-Spin Mode" to absorb any slight blows made by Phantom, and because of the fear of getting slight recoil from Scythe's PC Frame on the mode where the Frame stays put.

Alright then, that's pretty much all I have to say about the combo at the moment, haha. Crab out!

(Jul. 05, 2012  3:23 PM)Crab Commando Wrote: Adding on to that combo I was working on, I found D125 to work better than CH120. S130 doesn't seem to be that consistent, though.

These are absolutely wonderful posts, and yet everyone is overlooking them! This kind of stuff should be encouraged!

DS isn't a very good replacement for D on 230, actually. While the shape is right, it doesn't pick itself up very well, which is what D is supposed to do in the first place. Personally, I typically use DS more like a S tip that has some actual balance (which is to say that I use it to abuse its ability to tilt but not completely fail like the S series), but not on tall tracks.

Onto the combo/tests themselves: I like what you're trying to do, and I especially like your use of Quetz for clear wheel attacking. One thing that you mentioned is that CH120JB was too tall and 105JB was too short (and repeated my exact complaint that there is no 110 or 115, hah!). I know you wanted JB for its traits, but it is kind of short. I did some quick measurements of it and other tips to try to find a solution:

Heights of Parts:
JB: 8.7 mm (Equivalent of 87 height)
MB: 10.9 mm (Equivalent of 109 height)

Heights of Combos with JB:
105JB: 192
CH120JB: 207

So, we need to find stuff in between 192 and 207. Here's what I came up with:
85MB: 194
90MB: 199

100MB is taller than CH120JB, actually. So, you might try those two track/tip combos. It won't move exactly the same as JB, but as much as I hate to say it (because I always want to encourage JB testing), you might need the height of MB for this to work, and it's the only thing that will get you these heights due to 110/115 not existing.

As for the clear wheel, you might also try Crown if you have it. I personally prefer it for clear wheel attacking, but it's hard to get and not so much better than Quetz that I'm only curious if you already have it (if you don't, don't worry about getting it at all, lol).

(Jul. 06, 2012  11:47 PM)Mu Wrote: MF-H LDD/LDG BD145 XF works better when compared to MF-H LDD/LDG BD145 GCF, because it doesn't scrape as much... BD145's spokes plus GCF's gears really causes a great amount of stamina loss (which defeats the overall purpose of the combo.)

(Jul. 07, 2012  6:53 AM)th!nk Wrote:

(Jul. 06, 2012  11:47 PM)Mu Wrote: MF-H LDD/LDG BD145 XF works better when compared to MF-H LDD/LDG BD145 GCF, because it doesn't scrape as much... BD145's spokes plus GCF's gears really causes a great amount of stamina loss (which defeats the overall purpose of the combo.)

I don't know what you guys are doing to make BD145XF not scrape, but every time I've used it, even in that exact combo, the beyblade has rolled out of the stadium on its side, basically.