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Valkyrie/Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs, New tests added 8/5 - Zoroaste - Aug. 01, 2015
Spriggan Heavy Accel seems like the best attack combo to me so far and Kerbeus seems like the the best defense layer. So I decided to do some tests to figure out what the best defense combo is.
Kerbeus launched first in all rounds
Equipment
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Sx = Spriggan lost "x" amount of clicks
Kx = Kerbeus lost "x" amount of clicks
* a burst counts as 4 clicks
Spriggan Heavy Accel vs. Kerbeus Central Defense
Spriggan Heavy Accel: 13 wins (10 BF, 2 KO, 1 SF)
Kerbeus Central Defense: 7 wins (5 SF, 2 KO)
2 draws (All DBF)
Spriggan win percentage: 65%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.5
Kerbeus: 2.8
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 10 wins (3 BF, 7 KO)
Kerbeus Central Defense: 10 wins (2 BF, 8 SF)
7 draws (All DBF)
Spriggan win percentage: 50%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.5
Kerbeus: 1.75
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 10 wins (8 BF, 2 KO)
Kerbeus Spread Defense: 10 wins (1 KO, 9 SF)
4 draws (all DBF)
Spriggan win percentage: 50%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.8
Kerbeus: 2.75
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 15 wins (6 BF, 6 KO, 3 SF)
Kerbeus Heavy Survive: 5 wins (5 SF)
6 draws (3 DBF, 3 DSF)
Spriggan win percentage: 75%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.45
Kerbeus: 2.5
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 12 wins (6 BF, 6 SF)
Kerbeus Central Survive: 8 wins (3 BF, 5 SF)
3 draws (1 DBF, 2 DSF)
Spriggan win percentage: 60%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.65
Kerbeus: 2.15
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 12 wins (9 BF, 3 SF)
Kerbeus Spread Survive: 8 wins (8 SF)
4 draws (1 DBF, 2 DSF, 1 DKO)
Spriggan win percentage: 60%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.25
Kerbeus: 2.5
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 9 wins (6 BF, 2 SF, 1 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Fusion: 11 wins (4 BF, 6 SF, 1 KO)
4 draws (3 DBF, 1 DSF)
Spriggan win percentage: 45%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 2.15
Kerbeus: 2.3
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 14 wins (10 BF, 3 SF, 1 KO)
Kerbeus Central Fusion: 6 wins (3 BF, 1 SF, 2 KO)
9 draws (5 DBF, 4 DSF)
Spriggan win percentage: 70%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.8
Kerbeus: 2.85
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 14 wins (4 BF, 6 SF, 4 KO)
Kerbeus Spread Fusion: 6 wins (1 BF, 5 SF)
4 draws (all DBF)
Spriggan win percentage: 70%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 1.7
Kerbeus: 2.2
Round by Round
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More tests 8/3
Fixed launcher with putty so it doesn't slip at all. Works like a brand new launcher every pull
Valkyrie Heavy Accel vs. Kerbeus Heavy Defense
Valkyrie Heavy Accel: 14 wins (8 BF, 6 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Defense: 6 wins (4 BF, 1 SF, 1 KO)
6 draws (5 DBF, 1 DSF)
Valkyrie win percentage: 70%
Average clicks lost per round:
Valkyrie: 2.3
Kerbeus: 2.85
Round by Round
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Valkyrie Heavy Accel vs. Kerbeus Heavy Fusion
Valkyrie Heavy Accel: 10 wins (8 BF, 2 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Fusion: 10 wins (6 BF, 3 SF, 1 KO)
4 draws (All DBF)
Valkyrie win percentage: 50%
Average clicks lost per round:
Valkyrie: 2.25
Kerbeus: 2.85
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel: 13 wins (10 BF, 1 SF, 2 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Defense: 7 wins (2 BF, 4 SF, 1 KO)
4 draws (all DBF)
Spriggan win percentage: 65%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 2.25
Kerbeus: 2.8
Round by Round
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Spriggan Heavy Accel vs. Kerbeus Heavy Fusion
Spriggan Heavy Accel: 7 wins (7 BF)
Kerbeus Heavy Fusion: 13 wins (4 BF, 7 SF, 2 KO)
4 draws (all DBF)
Spriggan win percentage: 35%
Average clicks lost per round:
Spriggan: 2.35
Kerbeus: 2.6
Round by Round
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More tests, 8/5
In these tests, I tried to take some variables out of the equation. I only counted the results if: each bey was launched super fast, and the attack type slid properly and started to/did/would have flowered. This way, the results should better speak to which is the best when in a tournament setting, with top tier bladers
Valkyrie Heavy Accel vs. Kerbeus Heavy Defense
Valkyrie Heavy Accel: 14 wins (9 BF, 5 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Defense: 6 wins (4 BF, 2 SF)
2 draws (All DBF)
Valkyrie win percentage: 70%
Average clicks lost per round:
Valkyrie: 2.4
Kerbeus: 3.05
Round by Round
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Valkyrie Heavy Accel: 11 wins (7 BF, 1 SF, 3 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Fusion: 9 wins (2 BF, 5 SF 2 KO)
5 draws (All DBF)
Valkyrie win percentage: 55%
Average clicks lost per round:
Valkyrie: 1.9
Kerbeus: 2.55
Round by Round
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Valkyrie Heavy Accel: 11 wins (10 BF, 1 KO)
Kerbeus Heavy Survive: 9 wins (4 BF, 2 SF 3 KO)
6 draws (All DBF)
Valkyrie win percentage: 55%
Average clicks lost per round:
Valkyrie: 2.4
Kerbeus: 3
Round by Round
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RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - MissingNo. - Aug. 01, 2015
Since your BeyLauncher is illegal, your testings can't be taken seriously, unfortunately.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 02, 2015
It wasn't illegal. These were done before it broke. All this testing is what wore it down. Lol
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - 1234beyblade - Aug. 02, 2015
I do not really think this needed a new thread because i already made a thread for Valkyrie/Kerbeous/Spriggan/Ragnaruk Heavy Accel combos and i made it go up against Kerbeous Spread/Heavy Defense.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 02, 2015
I tested every possible Kerbeous combo (excluding wing) against one of the best, if not the best attack combo. I think that extensive of a test like this warrants it's own thread. It's not really that much like your thread at all
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - 1234beyblade - Aug. 02, 2015
(Aug. 02, 2015 2:20 AM)Zoroaste Wrote: This is testing a ton of defense combos though against the same offensive combo, I think it warranted it's own thread
Oh well it was not like that when i saw it... it was just one test.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 02, 2015
Yeah I had to switch to my desktop because typing that out on a phone wasn't happening. Lol. And I didn't know how to save a draft or something, if you even can. I guess I should have typed it on a word processing app first and just copied and pasted
Has anyone else tested Kerbeous heavy fusion? It was my winner, but it could have been because of randomness
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Bey Brad - Aug. 02, 2015
I didn't do any tests but I feel like this lines up with my experience as well.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - loyd87 - Aug. 02, 2015
really interesting. thx for these test
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Dual - Aug. 03, 2015
(Aug. 02, 2015 2:20 AM)Zoroaste Wrote: I tested every possible Kerbeous combo (excluding wing) against one of the best, if not the best attack combo. I think that extensive of a test like this warrants it's own thread. It's not really that much like your thread at allIt's too early to be labelling combos as "the best." From my limited observations, Valkeryie performed much better than Spriggan on Heavy Accele.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 03, 2015
Definitely not much better. They are about equal actually In the tests I have seen and done. And in the ones I have done Spriggan seemed to edge it out a little bit. That's why I said that it SEEMED like the best and ONE OF, IF NOT THE best. Feel free to do some testing though.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Manicben - Aug. 03, 2015
I can confirm in competitive play, spriggan gives good results. However, both Spriggan and Valkyrie give varied results. Most of the time Spriggan can easily burst/ko Kerbeus Heavy Defense, but it depends on the Blader and the launcher used. For example, Bey Brad had a hard time, but in my case using Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Heavy Defense, I won every time. But mirror match Spriggan, and Bey Brad won easily. All depends on launch technique and luck.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - [)ragon - Aug. 03, 2015
Interesting that Kerbeous Heavy Fusion did so well. Better than Defense on the same setup, actually. It bursted twice as often, but it avoided KO almost completely. Seems like overall more bursting happened when Fusion was in the ring than when Defense was (Fusion also won by BF 2 or 3 times as often as Defense in that pair of tests, and the average click numbers were noticeably higher). Kinda weird it didn't carry over to Spread and Central, though.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 03, 2015
Yeah. Will be interesting to see another set of the same tests. Could have been a fluke. I will do another set of fusion tests at least when I get another string launcher. Anyone else have the parts, launcher and time to do it? Just fusion vs defense would be good. Even just heavy fusion vs heavy defense
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Bey Brad - Aug. 03, 2015
(Aug. 03, 2015 12:54 AM)Manicben Wrote: I can confirm in competitive play, spriggan gives good results. However, both Spriggan and Valkyrie give varied results. Most of the time Spriggan can easily burst/ko Kerbeus Heavy Defense, but it depends on the Blader and the launcher used. For example, Bey Brad had a hard time, but in my case using Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Heavy Defense, I won every time. But mirror match Spriggan, and Bey Brad won easily. All depends on launch technique and luck.
If I can, I'll at least say that my technique had improved a lot by the time I faced you
But I definitely had a hard time with it despite doing well in practice sessions! And we also saw Survive perform about equal with Defense in some situations.One thing that didn't seem to vary is the preference for Heavy. Shame that it overpowers the others by so much ...
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Neo - Aug. 03, 2015
With my Spriggan Layer, I'd say it's carp. It recoils...itself...into bursting.
I've had much better luck with Valkyrie, since it has better teeth.
And I feel a looming shadow of design-wise great layers with terrible teeth and negate any usage they may of had..
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Manicben - Aug. 03, 2015
(Aug. 03, 2015 4:34 AM)Neo Wrote: With my Spriggan Layer, I'd say it's carp. It recoils...itself...into bursting.
I've had much better luck with Valkyrie, since it has better teeth.
And I feel a looming shadow of design-wise great layers with terrible teeth and negate any usage they may of had..
There are different molds of Spriggan. For example I have the A4 mold which doesn't do too bad. I can't burst it using Valkyrie in practise matches. There's an A2 mold, but no one really knows the difference. We guess the teeth might be the difference, maybe earlier molds were more burstable? If you were to get your hands on the blue Spriggan, maybe that one would perform better.
And @[Bey Brad], I can't deny your technique improved later on. Sometime, I will return to Canada and demand a rematch.
We both have a lot of improving to do to catch up to the others. But on topic, what Brad said about both defense and survive being used on Kerbeus is true. We can confirm that in almost every case, Kerbeus Heavy Survive beats the Defense version. Makes sense though. Gotta say that Kei's Kerbeus Heavy Accel was a great bey for dealing with the other attack types, since even Kerbeus Heavy Defense can be beaten easily with an experienced Spriggan Heavy Accel user.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Bey Brad - Aug. 03, 2015
There was actually an incredible variety on display considering the dearth of parts! It's just a shame that only Heavy seems to be valuable as a Disk. I had hoped its poor balance would nerf it a bit but it doesn't seem to really matter much, balance is almost equally terrible all around.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 03, 2015
Yeah. I think you said it first a little while ago. Balance will be the name of the game going forward. Hopefully they notice this and come out with some balance types that actually have good balance and actually make balance types a dominant type
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Bey Brad - Aug. 03, 2015
Sorry, I was actually referring to physical balance, not balance as a Beyblade type!
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 03, 2015
Yeah I know, me too. I am just saying that they should be one and the same. They should make balance types that actually have better balance than the other burst beys, since they all have horrible balance. I guess that may be hard to do to a large extent though without making them too OP
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Neo - Aug. 03, 2015
(Aug. 03, 2015 5:07 AM)Manicben Wrote:(Aug. 03, 2015 4:34 AM)Neo Wrote: With my Spriggan Layer, I'd say it's carp. It recoils...itself...into bursting.
I've had much better luck with Valkyrie, since it has better teeth.
And I feel a looming shadow of design-wise great layers with terrible teeth and negate any usage they may of had..
There are different molds of Spriggan. For example I have the A4 mold which doesn't do too bad. I can't burst it using Valkyrie in practise matches. There's an A2 mold, but no one really knows the difference. We guess the teeth might be the difference, maybe earlier molds were more burstable? If you were to get your hands on the blue Spriggan, maybe that one would perform better.
I have the A3 mold.
Not that it really matters. I think Spriggans won't be viable for long.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Bey Brad - Aug. 03, 2015
Was there confirmation that those numbers actually designated different molds?
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - loyd87 - Aug. 03, 2015
if I considered old gens some times the number designate the mold we most see if they have consistent on that to be sure that they have a link between the numbers and the mold.
RE: Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs - Zoroaste - Aug. 03, 2015
I am going to do some more tests tonight with my putty fixed laucher (it works just fine. It doesn't slip at all, so actually launches faster than a stock launcher, it just sometimes doesn't record the second shot because the spike sticks ). I did some last night but they were inconsistent. It mostly has to do with if you got a good sliding shoot or bank. If you did, offense is gonna probably win. Valkyrie seemed a bit better because of the teeth, but it also makes itself burst while attacking more, it seems. I dunno. I with probably end up doing the heavy defense vs heavy fusion against both valkyrie and spriggan. Maybe I just need to count rounds when I get a good offensive shoot, or maybe I just need to do 40 rounds for a bigger sample set