(Jul. 11, 2014  2:38 PM)Tr! Wrote: >back to Duo and Dragooon

Isn't that what Zero G and standard mostly are anyways, haha? Stressing the perfect launch with F230 is exaggerated in my mind, sure it takes practice, but its a skill every competitve blader ends up learning so it really isn't hard to learn a launch. I'm sure even the new members will have it down before long, so you'll probably see some new placers just because of it, and nothing else. Honestly re-reading your third paragraph, it really goes against everything else that you said unless I'm reading it wrong.

(Jul. 11, 2014  2:38 PM)Tr! Wrote: >back to Duo and Dragooon

Isn't that what Zero G and standard mostly are anyways even when not used with F230, haha? Stressing the perfect launch with F230 is exaggerated in my mind, sure it takes practice, but its a skill every competitve blader ends up learning so it really isn't hard to learn a launch. I'm sure even the new members will have it down before long, so you'll probably see some new placers just because of it, and nothing else. Honestly re-reading your third paragraph, it really goes against everything else that you said unless I'm reading it wrong.

(Jul. 11, 2014  2:51 PM)Kuroyukihime Wrote:

(Jul. 11, 2014  2:38 PM)Tr! Wrote: >back to Duo and Dragooon

Isn't that what Zero G and standard mostly are anyways even when not used with F230, haha? Stressing the perfect launch with F230 is exaggerated in my mind, sure it takes practice, but its a skill every competitve blader ends up learning so it really isn't hard to learn a launch. I'm sure even the new members will have it down before long, so you'll probably see some new placers just because of it, and nothing else. Honestly re-reading your third paragraph, it really goes against everything else that you said unless I'm reading it wrong.

Well if the meta will still stay Duo and Dragooon then why ban it?

I'll try to get Stormscorpio1 on this discussion since he is on the side of not banning it. Also how many people have tested it against Dragooon SA165 TB? I remember after an event months ago TBD and myself tested Dragooon F230 vs Dragooon SA165 TB ans TB got most of the wins. Hopefully we can try this out next event.

(Jul. 11, 2014  3:13 PM)Tr! Wrote: Because with banning F230, Dragooon and Duo will see less use with the same combinations. I'm sure then SA165 (EWD/BWD/TB) will be used a lot, but I'm sure then we would see more sway, more stamina, etc. instead of the same F230 repitition. Is so much rather see other competitve Duo and Dragooon stuff than F230. As much as I'd love to see use of other wheels as well, that won't happen since Dragoooon and Duo both are just too versatile. I'm sure I'll get the "you've never even seen it in competitve play" thing, but seeing results, videos, and even some in real life, I just find it annoying that someone would just use this thing knowing they have such a huge chance.

I'm also sure I'll get the "overreacting" thing also, but I just want a healthy format where more competitiveness falls into the game. Honesty, I guess you could say I could care less which is almost true just because Zero G is my least favorite format, but again I just legitamently care about the community.

Leone19 Wrote:it does require a certain competeive skill to use it correctly.

LMAO Wrote:Talking to a few other people, I realized it would sort of be pointless to ban F230, only because F230 isn't completely dominating the meta.

Thunder Dome Wrote:Personally I feel F230 doesn't need a ban. In my opinion part of the game/tournament is having good parts and the other half is strategy. The parts were made to use, banning F230 would be crappy since that would be a waste of a part that some people paid for. Your suppose to have better parts and outwit your opponent in tournaments. Banning stuff sucks after people got those items and because you are suppose to have better parts than your opponent. People act like it is "fair" to ban it, but there are only thinking of the people who have to play against it. Banning the part that a person uses to make the match "equal" isn't the major point of this game. It's to win and banning something wont help. I've beat F230 on multiple occasions and it really isn't to hard to beat. It is really not that hard to figure out what spin they are going in since its a 50/50 chance. This is like Yu-Gi-Oh ban lists which suck after you spent a lot for cards just to have them gone and can't be used. This is my opinion and if anyone wants to put a valid argument against it that's fine, but please make sure it makes sense.

(Jul. 11, 2014  6:38 PM)RDF3 Wrote: Those two arguments were torn apart by TBD (the main person behind the thread itself, but anyway good to see him back) in the first post on this thread, try looking more carefully next time.

(Jul. 11, 2014  6:38 PM)RDF3 Wrote: Dual: you mean the cons of keeping F230 and various reasons why it should be banned right? For me, nothing has happened because the part was powerful in a metagame, but not neccesarily universally. Something like Libra (of course, when it was released back then, not now except for Limited) is powerful universally within beyblade because it dominated metagames wide and far. F230's reign on the other hand does not (or hasn't) reached global doors.

That is my understanding of why this issue still stands today.

(Jul. 11, 2014  5:47 PM)Ryûzaki Wrote: I'll accept F230's ban if they committee is willing to pay for a part I bought with my money to play Beyblade back.

After all, I would of wasted £15.00 for nothing.

(Jul. 11, 2014  7:32 PM)Aɴɢʀʏ Fᴀᴄᴇ Wrote:

(Jul. 11, 2014  5:47 PM)Ryûzaki Wrote: I'll accept F230's ban if they committee is willing to pay for a part I bought with my money to play Beyblade back.

After all, I would of wasted £15.00 for nothing.

You're not the only one who's spent some ridiculous sums of money to buy this part. Don't be selfish. :\

And it's not like you can't still use it in Standard or Limited...

(Jul. 11, 2014  5:47 PM)Ryûzaki Wrote: I'll accept F230's ban if they committee is willing to pay for a part I bought with my money to play Beyblade back.

After all, I would of wasted £15.00 for nothing.

TheBlackDragon Wrote:understand that people spent well-earned money on their F230s (myself definitely included), but we're talking about the greater good here. If you own an F230 and you're upset that you can't use it, if you just stop moping about it long enough to see the good the ban does for the game, I believe you'll realize that the decision was ultimately beneficial.

Plus, you can look at it another way. There are plenty of people who spent hard-earned money on other competitive parts that F230 makes unviable. Because F230 is so utterly dominant, these parts might as well be illegal anyway. Somebody's parts are going to be useless, and somebody is going to end up out a few bucks either way. With the damage it does to the game, it might as well be F230 that goes. Even after that, if the part is not banned, people will have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to obtain it and do well on the tournament scene. That'll cost a llloooott of people a llloooott of money.

The financial aspect is ultimately inconsequential. In a situation like this, it's invalid to make that argument anyway, because it basically contradicts itself. Someone is going to be out money either way, so stating this is ultimately irrelevant (besides the fact that we're not supposed to look out for people's wallets. We're supposed to look out for the game itself).