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RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Mitsu - Dec. 01, 2013
I Have No Idea If This Would Really Help But, From What I Noticed Reviser Dragoon B
/ SA165EWD Could Counter Genbull Dragoon. I've Seen It At Tournaments And By Testing On My Own.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - geetster99 - Dec. 01, 2013
The problem with dragooon b:d and dragooon sa165 ewd/bwd is that they are stationary. So since they stay in one spot it is easier for them to banked into. The reason mb doesn't lose to dragooon f230 is it's small amount of movement and mb sway resistance. Even if dragooon f230 cf was straight launched against dragooon b:d / sa165 ewd dragooon will probaly sway them out because of there low resistance to sway
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Snoop Dog MS - Dec. 01, 2013
Duo SA165BWD/EWD says hi.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - DRAGON KING - Dec. 01, 2013
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RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Leone19 - Dec. 01, 2013
(Dec. 01, 2013 4:08 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: From my informal testing in a modded hasbro stadium it can KO stamina and OS defence (and that with a red F230 XD) so I'm thinking the way to go is attack. But I'm still looking into finding a counter
That's cool... but-
It wouldn't help too much since the main problem with (Orange) F230 GCF is in Zero-G.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - DRAGON KING - Dec. 01, 2013
I thought we were discussing it in bb10 format also? If not, then never mind......
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Leone19 - Dec. 01, 2013
(Dec. 01, 2013 4:11 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: I thought we were discussing it in bb10 format also? If not, then never mind......We are, but its not as big of a problem.
Since your using a modified Hasbro stadium, the results would not be comparable to a BB-10, whatsoever.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - RagerBlade - Dec. 01, 2013
(Dec. 01, 2013 4:04 PM)Shining God MS Wrote: Duo SA165BWD/EWD says hi.Um... Have you ever tested that? It will get KOed, unless you're lucky?
(Dec. 01, 2013 3:56 PM)geetster99 Wrote: The problem with dragooon b:d and dragooon sa165 ewd/bwd is that they are stationary. So since they stay in one spot it is easier for them to banked into. The reason mb doesn't lose to dragooon f230 is it's small amount of movement and mb sway resistance. Even if dragooon f230 cf was straight launched against dragooon b:d / sa165 ewd dragooon will probaly sway them out because of there low resistance to swayI used Girago Dragooon F230GCF at a tournament and it went 3-2 with a Reviser Dragooon B:D. We already discussed SA165BWD and it went 20-0 to Dragooon F230CF according to TBD's tests.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - TimeOut - Dec. 02, 2013
Unless I'm missing it, Dragooon SA165 MB is nearly as viable against the rest of the meta as any spin-equalization combo. What is that you guys think just destroys it? By being on MB it practically eliminates sway attack, has decent stamina (obviously enough to OS F230 CF stuff) and SA165 is THEE LAD track. Granted, MB has nowhere near the precession of EWD or BWD, but it will still OS a ton of stuff in spin-equalizing matches. So, unless you guys are saying the rarely used in Zero-G smash attack is a huge problem, I'm missing your point.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - 6 God - Dec. 02, 2013
According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Dark_Mousy - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 12:36 AM)Kyler_the best Wrote: According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.
The trick is knowing how to bank and knowing how to weak launch. Weak launching is a lost art form now a days it seems like.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - RagerBlade - Dec. 02, 2013
Why don't we use Sway Attacks against F230? I mean it will probably KO it or it will lose OS, but most likely KO.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Ocean - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 12:42 AM)Dark_Mousy Wrote:(Dec. 02, 2013 12:36 AM)Kyler_the best Wrote: According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.
The trick is knowing how to bank and knowing how to weak launch. Weak launching is a lost art form now a days it seems like.
I semi-weak launched and it worked for me. Strangely it boosted f230s defense.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - 6 God - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 12:36 AM)Kyler_the best Wrote: According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.
Plus your combo did poorly against Duo F230CF as well.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - DrPepsidew - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 12:51 AM)RagerBlade Wrote: Why don't we use Sway Attacks against F230? I mean it will probably KO it or it will lose OS, but most likely KO.
It won't work. Against opposite spin, it has just high enough mobility on GCF to stay on the opposite side and keep the stadium still. Against same spin sway, all it does is increase the RPM of GCF, and not the top part of the beyblade.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - LMAO - Dec. 02, 2013
Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:
-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.
What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Ocean - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 1:34 AM)LMAO Wrote: Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:
-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.
What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!
Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Leone19 - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 1:52 AM)AZL Wrote:Are there tests... or did I miss them, haha?(Dec. 02, 2013 1:34 AM)LMAO Wrote: Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:
-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.
What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!
Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Ocean - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 1:57 AM)Leone19 Wrote:JE used it. it crushed Genbull Dragooon. I don't have tests though but I will soon.(Dec. 02, 2013 1:52 AM)AZL Wrote:Are there tests... or?(Dec. 02, 2013 1:34 AM)LMAO Wrote: Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:
-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.
What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!
Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Leone19 - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 1:59 AM)AZL Wrote:(Dec. 02, 2013 1:57 AM)Leone19 Wrote:JE used it. it crushed Genbull Dragooon. I don't have tests though but I will soon.(Dec. 02, 2013 1:52 AM)AZL Wrote: Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.Are there tests... or?
Alright, I think it may be good to compare results with that and a Top Tier Duo setup, like SA165 BWD.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - DrPepsidew - Dec. 02, 2013
MF Duo Leone DF105 W2D vs. MF Duo Leone SA165 WD
DF105 launched first for first ten.
DF105 Win: 100% (20 OS)
MF Duo Leone DF105 W2D vs Girago Dragooon F230 (Orange) GCF
DL launched first for first 10
DF105 Win: 80% (16 OS)
GD Win: 20% (2 KO, 2 OS)
Will do more tests tomorrow.
Oh and I changed the tip to W2D because WD couldn't beat the other Duo combo.
Just kidding, I have more.
Duo blahblah vs. Revizer Dragooon BD145 RDF
Duo Win: 100% (20 OS)
Holy carp.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - LMAO - Dec. 02, 2013
Was your testing in the Zero-G stadium or BB-10?
Either way, those tests are amazing. This Duo combo has me spooked.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Leone19 - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 4:25 AM)LMAO Wrote: Was your testing in the Zero-G stadium or BB-10?
Either way, those tests are amazing. This Duo combo has me spooked.
It was BB-10, haha.
I couldn't imagine DF105 in Zero-G
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - DrPepsidew - Dec. 02, 2013
Definitely BB-10 XD
But yeah, kinda made me have a wow moment. I knew from the start that it would beat Duo SA165, but those other combos... Wow.
I'll test tomorrow against Genbull^2 E230 MB, Wyvang^2 GB145 R2F, and I'll take requests for others.
RE: Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game - Leone19 - Dec. 02, 2013
(Dec. 02, 2013 4:30 AM)DrPepsidew Wrote: Definitely BB-10 XD
But yeah, kinda made me have a wow moment. I knew from the start that it would beat Duo SA165, but those other combos... Wow.
I'll test tomorrow against Genbull^2 E230 MB, Wyvang^2 GB145 R2F, and I'll take requests for others.
Could you try it against ____ Dragoon SA165 EWD? Thanks.