I stumbled upon this combo while playing around yesterday morning. It's gotten some pretty unbelievable results, so I think it'll be pretty interesting.
This is a bit hard to explain, so I've provided a video so you can see what I'm talking about.
This is a pure spin equalizer. All it's for is to steal spin... with one huge advantage. Countering this combo by mirroring it with Duo (the surefire way to counter any Dragooon combo) doesn't actually work.
As you can see in the video above, this combo's transition from Precession to Life After Death is just short of invisible. The reason Duo has been able to counter Dragooon so well by mirroring it in the past is because Duo will precess longer, and Dragooon will make a drastic drop in elevation at the end of the match, while Duo remains standing, therefore eliminating Dragooon's ability to steal spin and causing Duo to win by a couple rotations.
However, as you can see, when this combo "falls over", there is an extremely small drop in elevation, to the point where you can't actually see it. EWD lines up almost perfectly with the edge of SA165 in attack mode, to the point where, during Precession, SA165 will actually graze the stadium, and falling over will not result in a visible drop. This eliminates Duo's advantage, because, though Dragooon does technically fall over first, there is almost zero drop in elevation, and Dragooon can continue to steal spin as effectively as if it had still been precessing on EWD's edge.
Basically, the track is so close to the ground that it's touching while the combo is wobbling on EWD, so it never really drops when it falls.
Notice the title says, "The Duo Mirror Neutralized", and not "The Duo Mirror Beaten". There is absolutely no guarantee of a win against a Duo mirror with this combo... using this track - bottom setup does eliminate Duo's advantage, but it doesn't give you one. Once you match this thing up against a Duo mirror, it's a complete toss-up. Either one could take the win. However, it's quite a bit better than losing 90% of the time as you most likely will with most other Dragooon combos.
Aside from neutralizing Duo, this track-bottom setup actually provides quite impressive ability over some other combos as well. For instance, the famous MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD (obviously the basis for this custom) will not usually achieve any higher than 20% against Duo W145WD. This combo can achieve up to 85%, as you'll hopefully see in the test results below.
Just a straight launch against Most things. The one exception being F230. Use the launch below:
I actually got it to OS on the first try!
Bank steep to make a few sweeps towards the outside, and hope to break F230's stall. If you can get it going outside of a perfect circle you'll have a much better chance.
MSF-L: MSF-H and MSF-M really just didn't do as well for me... I'm not totally sure why, but I got far cleaner wins with MSF-L.
Girago: This may be what some of you are wondering about... I chose Girago for 3 reasons:
1. This gives you the chance to KO if you do happen to come up against a Duo mirror. Reviser has almost 0 smash. Although I did weak launch for the stamina tests to show how it can out-spin, as LMAO's testing shows, it is capable of KOing as well.
2. I've found Girago capable of OSing Wyvang and Reviser, which are the the most frequently used Chrome Wheels with other Dragooon combos. Although SA165 in attack mode has slightly less stamina than in normal mode in my experience, Girago can push the combo far enough to OS most other Dragooon opponents.
3. I actually noticed Reviser slipping when I used it... being the lighter wheel, obviously if you can't get a sufficient grip on Duo it may slide another quarter of a rotation after you stop. This happened far too often for my taste, and Girago put a stop to it while still maintaining the low recoil I needed for the spin-equalizer.
Girago has, overall, been really good to me on anything Dragooon lately.
SA165: Has a perfectly circular shape, essential for the LAD we need to pull this off. In attack mode, it also lines up perfectly with EWD to reduce to drop in elevation after precession to an almost invisible level. This track couldn't perform better for this combo's purpose.
EWD: Precession. The thing can stay standing for a ridiculously long time. XD plus, it precesses at the perfect level for SA165 to do its part in the custom.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (attack mode) vs. Duo Cancer SA165EWD (normal mode) Beys alternated launching first. Both EWD's new. Parts swapped after round 5.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
Ties redone: 6
Yup... takes down the Duo zombie! Very nice. This is what sold the combo for me. This is what I need you guys to test... It's quite unbelievable without confirmation. Just to say, don't expect 100% every time. XD It was hitting 80-90% during my informal testing, but it decided to do exceptionally well during formal rounds.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (attack mode) vs. Duo Cancer SA165EWD (attack mode) Beys alternated launching first. Both EWD's new. Parts swapped after round 15.
Dragooon: wins, 2/30 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 2/30 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: incomplete
Ties redone: 26
Yah... this test alone took me about an hour. I was stunned that Duo didn't crush it. I decided I would stop at 30 regardless of the win rate, but I had no idea there would only be 4 out-spins the whole time!
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer W145WD Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 17/20 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 3/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 85%
Ties redone: 19
Duo W145WD has some serious ability against Dragooon... However, this custom didn't have too hard of a time taking it out.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer 230D Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer 160PD Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer SR200TB Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
Didn't break a sweat... not that any spin-equalizer does against these three.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Genbull Genbull SR200TB Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Genbull: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
Um... yah. These were all pretty close. I wouldn't be too confident against another Dragooon spin stealer, but this combo does seem to do the job decently.
I was very happy with this. Most Dragooon combos can't touch Revizer BD145RDF. I will say that a more worn RDF probably would've done better, but my worn one is a bit too short to test with.
Yah, um, fail. XD Flash even managed to get an OS in there. Hit Dragooon so hard it scraped to death. Freaky!
Sorry that's all for attack testing. :\ My R2F is pretty much done with formal testing condition-wise, and I was also horrendously bored after 5 and a half hours of stamina and defense testing, so.
The reason Duo won was because it stalled, and when it got to the middle it shoved Dragooon over, causing it to lean and roll in a wide circle around the stadium. Now, when this didn't happen, Dragooon actually either tied or won.
The launch I explained in the OP to use against F230 came a bit late. I only figured it out after round 11 in that test :\. If you use the aggressive launch (and get it right), we get:
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. MF-M Duo Cancer F230CF Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 15/20 (13 OS, 2 KO)
Cancer: wins, 5/10 (3 OS 2 KO)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 75%
Now, that's getting the launch right. If we get the launch wrong, and we can't break F230's stall, we get:
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. MF-M Duo Cancer F230CF Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (1 KO)
Cancer: wins, 9/10 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 10%
So this is very dependent on you launch, and I may get some hate-mail for saying this, but, if you can get the launch right at a tournament, I would say that you have a very good chance against this. Definitely no guarantee, but I think it is possible.
But let's not talk about it beating F230. Like I said, you'll most likely lose, but if you get the launch right you may have a very good chance.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) vs Duo Cancer W145WD
Girago Dragooon Wins: 8 (2 KO's, 6 OS's)
Duo Cancer Wins: 12 (All OS)
Ties redone: 20
GD Win Percentage: 40%
As you can see, in the above tests, the thing stomped Duo... 9 OS to 2 OS, and that's not even including all of its KOs. Thanks to LMAO for confirming these...
UltimateOrion Wrote:MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD Vs MF-H Duo Bull W145BWD
Dragoon Wins: 20 OS
Bull Wins: 0
Dragoon Win Percentage:100%
MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs MSF-L Killerken Dragoon SA165BWD
Girago:4 OS
Killerken:16 OS
Girago Win Percentage: 20%
MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs MF-H Duo Aquario SA165BWD
Girago:20 OS
Duo: 0
Girago Win Percentage: 100%
MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs Phantom Lynx 90MF
Girago: 0
Phantom: 20 OS
Girago Win Percentage: 0%
Quite impressive against Duo, but it doesn't seem like this holds down against Phantom 90MF very well. :\ I'll try to get some tests on this later. Thanks to UltimateOrion!
(Oct. 18, 2013 3:36 AM)Ingulit Wrote: How close are the results you guys have been getting? Cause I did some tests, and while there were TONS and TONS of exact ties (good god this took basically all the time I had to test today), in almost every case that it wasn't a tie, Duo won by more than a rotation:
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165[Attack]EWD vs. Duo Cygnus W145WD
Duo launched first on even launches, Dragooon launched first on odd.
1. Duo OS
2. Tie; Tie; Duo OS
3. Duo OS
4. Tie; Tie; Tie; Duo OS
5. Duo OS
6. Dragooon OS
7. Duo OS
8. Tie; Duo OS
9. Duo OS
10. Tie; Tie; Duo OS
11. Tie; Duo OS
12. Duo OS
13. Tie; Tie; Duo OS
14. Tie; Dragooon OS
15. Duo OS
16. Tie; Tie; Duo OS
17. Duo OS
18. Duo OS
19. Duo OS
20. Tie; Duo OS
(see the "Detail Results" spoiler to see how many ties there were)
Wuh-oh... :\ Seems we have a bit of a problem here. Conflicting results for sure. More testing guys!! Thanks to Ingulit for helping out!
(Oct. 19, 2013 3:51 AM)Shining God MS Wrote: As of now, Dragooon is doing great! I will edit my post with the test! I'll do it in Attack Mode later since I'm playing Halo. Also theblackdragon, yes you can call me Shiny, it's cute XD
EDIT: Girago Dragooon SA165(Attack Mode)EWD vs Duo Cygnus SA165(normal mode)EWD Alternating launches. EWDs are both in good condition
Dragooon wins: 17/20(15 OS, 2 KO)
Duo wins: 3/20(2 OS, 1 KO)
Dragooon win percentage: 85%
The KO from Duo was really weird... I hope this helps!
Well guys, thanks for reading! Thanks to LMAO for helping me out with this. I think I'm done with testing for a couple months at least... 6 straight hours yesterday has me wiped out.
Post and tell me what you think! Testing is encouraged (like, really encouraged XD).
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - LMAO - Oct. 14, 2013
I just really LOVE this combo, it deserves a spot on the Top Tier list as soon as possible.
I will definitely use this in a tournament, when it comes time for a BB-10 Format.
Also, whoever has 2 Wyvangs, could you test this against Wyvang Wyvang BD145RSF, for reassurance?
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Dark_Mousy - Oct. 14, 2013
(Oct. 14, 2013 11:30 PM)LMAO Wrote: I just really LOVE this combo, it deserves a spot on the Top Tier list as soon as possible.
I will definitely use this in a tournament, when it comes time for a BB-10 Format.
Alot of testing is required before it can be considered for the tier list
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - кαмυι カムイ - Oct. 14, 2013
I have fallen in love with this combo!
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - LMAO - Oct. 14, 2013
I know Dark, what I meant was that after we had more tests, that's why I said "as soon as possible". Sorry for any confusion
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - UltimateOrion - Oct. 14, 2013
Is there a substitude for Girago?
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - LMAO - Oct. 14, 2013
(Oct. 14, 2013 11:43 PM)UltimiteOrion Wrote: Is there a substitude for Girago?
Personally, I tried it with Wyvang, and it did a much better job KO'ing then OS'ing.
So you could try Wyvang, or even Balro, since those come up pretty close to Girago from my testing for this combo.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - UltimateOrion - Oct. 14, 2013
(Oct. 14, 2013 11:46 PM)LMAO Wrote:
(Oct. 14, 2013 11:43 PM)UltimiteOrion Wrote: Is there a substitude for Girago?
Personally, I tried it with Wyvang, and it did a much better job KO'ing then OS'ing.
So you could try Wyvang, or even Balro, since those come up pretty close to Girago from my testing for this combo.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD Vs MF-H Duo Bull W145BWD
Dragoon Wins: 20 OS
Bull Wins: 0
Dragoon Win Percentage:100%
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Snoop Dog MS - Oct. 15, 2013
Can I use a normal Stone Face for testing?
EDIT: Yeah, this combo is really nice for me. I've been using something like this at LakeSide BeyBattles. It's really nice.
DOUBLE EDIT?!: Any test requests?
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Tri - Oct. 15, 2013
This combo sure seems like a beast. I'd live to try it out I just don't have a Girago. I guess I will try with Balro or maybe Killerken.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Snoop Dog MS - Oct. 15, 2013
Any test requests? I am doing this against Duo B and my mind is being blown.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - UltimateOrion - Oct. 15, 2013
(Oct. 14, 2013 11:27 PM)theblackdragon Wrote:
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized
Hey guys!
I stumbled upon this combo while playing around yesterday morning. It's gotten some pretty unbelievable results, so I think it'll be pretty interesting.
This is a bit hard to explain, so I've provided a video so you can see what I'm talking about.
This is a pure spin equalizer. All it's for is to steal spin... with one huge advantage. Countering this combo by mirroring it with Duo (the surefire way to counter any Dragooon combo) doesn't actually work.
As you can see in the video above, this combo's transition from Precession to Life After Death is just short of invisible. The reason Duo has been able to counter Dragooon so well by mirroring it in the past is because Duo will precess longer, and Dragooon will make a drastic drop in elevation at the end of the match, while Duo remains standing, therefore eliminating Dragooon's ability to steal spin and causing Duo to win by a couple rotations.
However, as you can see, when this combo "falls over", there is an extremely small drop in elevation, to the point where you can't actually see it. EWD lines up almost perfectly with the edge of SA165 in attack mode, to the point where, during Precession, SA165 will actually graze the stadium, and falling over will not result in a visible drop. This eliminates Duo's advantage, because, though Dragooon does technically fall over first, there is almost zero drop in elevation, and Dragooon can continue to steal spin as effectively as if it had still been precessing on EWD's edge.
Basically, the track is so close to the ground that it's touching while the combo is wobbling on EWD, so it never really drops when it falls.
Notice the title says, "The Duo Mirror Neutralized", and not "The Duo Mirror Beaten". There is absolutely no guarantee of a win against a Duo mirror with this combo... using this track - bottom setup does eliminate Duo's advantage, but it doesn't give you one. Once you match this thing up against a Duo mirror, it's a complete toss-up. Either one could take the win. However, it's quite a bit better than losing 90% of the time as you most likely will with most other Dragooon combos.
Aside from neutralizing Duo, this track-bottom setup actually provides quite impressive ability over some other combos as well. For instance, the famous MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD (obviously the basis for this custom) will not usually achieve any higher than 20% against Duo W145WD. This combo can achieve up to 85%, as you'll hopefully see in the test results below.
Just a straight launch against Most things. The one exception being F230. Use the launch below:
I actually got it to OS on the first try!
Bank steep to make a few sweeps towards the outside, and hope to break F230's stall. If you can get it going outside of a perfect circle you'll have a much better chance.
MSF-L: MSF-H and MSF-M really just didn't do as well for me... I'm not totally sure why, but I got far cleaner wins with MSF-L.
Girago: This may be what some of you are wondering about... I chose Girago for 3 reasons:
1. This gives you the chance to KO if you do happen to come up against a Duo mirror. Reviser has almost 0 smash. Although I did weak launch for the stamina tests to show how it can out-spin, as LMAO's testing shows, it is capable of KOing as well.
2. I've found Girago capable of OSing Wyvang and Reviser, which are the the most frequently used Chrome Wheels with other Dragooon combos. Although SA165 in attack mode has slightly less stamina than in normal mode in my experience, Girago can push the combo far enough to OS most other Dragooon opponents.
3. I actually noticed Reviser slipping when I used it... being the lighter wheel, obviously if you can't get a sufficient grip on Duo it may slide another quarter of a rotation after you stop. This happened far too often for my taste, and Girago put a stop to it while still maintaining the low recoil I needed for the spin-equalizer.
Girago has, overall, been really good to me on anything Dragooon lately.
SA165: Has a perfectly circular shape, essential for the LAD we need to pull this off. In attack mode, it also lines up perfectly with EWD to reduce to drop in elevation after precession to an almost invisible level. This track couldn't perform better for this combo's purpose.
EWD: Precession. The thing can stay standing for a ridiculously long time. XD plus, it precesses at the perfect level for SA165 to do its part in the custom.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (attack mode) vs. Duo Cancer SA165EWD (normal mode) Beys alternated launching first. Both EWD's new. Parts swapped after round 5.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
Ties redone: 6
Yup... takes down the Duo zombie! Very nice. This is what sold the combo for me. This is what I need you guys to test... It's quite unbelievable without confirmation. Just to say, don't expect 100% every time. XD It was hitting 80-90% during my informal testing, but it decided to do exceptionally well during formal rounds.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (attack mode) vs. Duo Cancer SA165EWD (attack mode) Beys alternated launching first. Both EWD's new. Parts swapped after round 15.
Dragooon: wins, 2/30 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 2/30 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: incomplete
Ties redone: 26
Yah... this test alone took me about an hour. I was stunned that Duo didn't crush it. I decided I would stop at 30 regardless of the win rate, but I had no idea there would only be 4 out-spins the whole time!
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer W145WD Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 17/20 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 3/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 85%
Ties redone: 19
Duo W145WD has some serious ability against Dragooon... However, this custom didn't have too hard of a time taking it out.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer 230D Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer 160PD Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Duo Cancer SR200TB Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
Didn't break a sweat... not that any spin-equalizer does against these three.
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. Genbull Genbull SR200TB Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Genbull: wins, 0/10
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 100%
Um... yah. These were all pretty close. I wouldn't be too confident against another Dragooon spin stealer, but this combo does seem to do the job decently.
I was very happy with this. Most Dragooon combos can't touch Revizer BD145RDF. I will say that a more worn RDF probably would've done better, but my worn one is a bit too short to test with.
Yah, um, fail. XD Flash even managed to get an OS in there. Hit Dragooon so hard it scraped to death. Freaky!
Sorry that's all for attack testing. :\ My R2F is pretty much done with formal testing condition-wise, and I was also horrendously bored after 5 and a half hours of stamina and defense testing, so.
The reason Duo won was because it stalled, and when it got to the middle it shoved Dragooon over, causing it to lean and roll in a wide circle around the stadium. Now, when this didn't happen, Dragooon actually either tied or won.
The launch I explained in the OP to use against F230 came a bit late. I only figured it out after round 11. If you compile together all the testing I did using the aggressive launch, we get:
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. MF-M Duo Cancer F230CF Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 7/10 (All OS)
Cancer: wins, 3/10 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 70%
Now, that's getting the launch right. If we get the launch wrong, and we can't break F230's stall, we get:
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD vs. MF-M Duo Cancer F230CF Beys alternated launching first.
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (1 KO)
Cancer: wins, 9/10 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD win rate: 10%
So this is very dependent on you launch, and I may get some hate-mail for saying this, but, if you can get the launch right at a tournament, I would say that you have a very good chance against this. Definitely no guarantee, but I think it is possible.
But let's not talk about it beating F230. Like I said, you'll most likely lose, but if you get the launch right you may have a very good chance.
As you can see, in the above tests, the thing stomped Duo... 9 OS to 2 OS, and that's not even including all of its KOs. Thanks to LMAO for confirming these...
Well guys, thanks for reading! Thanks to LMAO for helping me out with this. I think I'm done with testing for a couple months at least... 6 straight hours yesterday has me wiped out.
Post and tell me what you think! Testing is encouraged (like, really encouraged XD).
Some other counters could be another Dragoon because when i tested it some Dragoon Combos beat it. I could post test results with MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs some other Dragoon combos if you want me to.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Ryukiba - Oct. 15, 2013
Quote:Some other counters could be another Dragoon because when i tested it some Dragoon Combos beat it. I could post test results with MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs some other Dragoon combos if you want me to.
You could just post them right now!
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - UltimateOrion - Oct. 15, 2013
(Oct. 15, 2013 1:08 AM)ryukiba Wrote:
Quote:Some other counters could be another Dragoon because when i tested it some Dragoon Combos beat it. I could post test results with MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs some other Dragoon combos if you want me to.
You could just post them right now!
I can't right now i am too busy. I will post them when i have time.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - [)ragon - Oct. 15, 2013
So... you guys like it? Great!
UltimateOrion: Great! Thanks for that... anyone with a Girago willing to test?
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Snoop Dog MS - Oct. 15, 2013
Yeah, as I said, I'm willing to test. Requests?
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Ryukiba - Oct. 15, 2013
(Oct. 15, 2013 2:21 AM)theblackdragon Wrote: So... you guys like it? Great!
UltimateOrion: Great! Thanks for that... anyone with a Girago willing to test?
I've got a Girago though I won't be able to do test anything till this weekend!:\
By the way great results! I'm surprised you haven't put up a poll like you normally do!XD
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - [)ragon - Oct. 15, 2013
(Oct. 15, 2013 2:24 AM)Shining God MS Wrote: Yeah, as I said, I'm willing to test. Requests?
Oh! Sorry dude... I missed you. XD
MSF-L Girago Girago SA165EWD (attack mode) vs. Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Hades SA165EWD (normal mode/attack mode)
^That's really the most important thing we can work on at the moment. The bread and butter of right-rotating spin-equalizers, and a mirror using Duo to see if this thing really is immune for the most part to Duo's absurd countering ability.
So yah, tests with Duo in attack mode and normal mode would be great.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - UltimateOrion - Oct. 15, 2013
I will test MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD vs MSF-L Killerken Dragoon SA165BWD while i have time right now.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - [)ragon - Oct. 15, 2013
(Oct. 15, 2013 2:46 AM)UltimiteOrion Wrote: I will test MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD vs Killerken Dragoon SA165BWD while i have time right now.
Wait! Could you test against the Duo combos I have above? Those are really the priority right now.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Leone19 - Oct. 15, 2013
I won't have time for a while, but I can do some tests. I can do Duo __ SA165 EWD, or anything else people want. If anyone wants, I can test this in Zero-G (Attack Stadium), as well.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Snoop Dog MS - Oct. 15, 2013
Hmm... is it okay if I do Duo B? Because I don't have another SA165 at the moment... but If it's needed I'll check my nearest target when I have time.
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - UltimateOrion - Oct. 15, 2013
(Oct. 15, 2013 2:50 AM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Oct. 15, 2013 2:46 AM)UltimiteOrion Wrote: I will test MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD vs Killerken Dragoon SA165BWD while i have time right now.
Wait! Could you test against the Duo combos I have above? Those are really the priority right now.
MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs MSF-L Killerken Dragoon SA165BWD
Girago:4 OS
Killerken:16 OS
Girago Win Percentage: 20%
MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs MF-H Duo Aquario SA165BWD
Girago:20 OS
Duo: 0
Girago Win Percentage: 100%
MSF-L-Girago-Dragooon-SA165EWD Vs Phantom Lynx 90MF
Girago: 0
Phantom: 20 OS
Girago Win Percentage: 0%
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Ingulit - Oct. 15, 2013
Since when does MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165(Normal)EWD lose so hardcore to Duo W145WD, lol? I only remember Death/SA165EWD/B: D giving it trouble (and probably F230(CF/GCF), though I can't test that without one of those darn orange F230s); Duo was even at worst IIRC
I can't agree with the idea that using a wheel with substantially more recoil in the hopes of landing a KO on EWD is in any way a good idea in a tournament setting. You'll end up outside the arena far more often with a setup like that. That's why Gargole Dragooon isn't used on MSF-H ____ Dragooon SA165EWD despite its excellent synergy smash-wise: more recoil means less of a chance you'll get to the last half a rotation at all. If this was almost any other tip I could potentially see it, but EWD is horrifically bad at recoil handling.
As cute as "breaking the mirror" is, I would be hesitant to use this in a tournament over much safer options based on the current test results. I'm very much open to being convinced otherwise, though, if the argument is good
RE: MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack Mode) - The Duo Mirror Neutralized - Snoop Dog MS - Oct. 15, 2013
Actually, from tournament experience I've used this at LakeSide BeyBattles and it handles Duo extremely well.