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MF-H Phantom Cancer (Aquario) E230 (upper mode) EWD/TB - TimeOut - May. 16, 2013
This combo was formed at the last MD tournament by nightwing247 and I. I had access to a friend's zero-g stadiums collection for a little while (don't have any of my own) and got to testing it.
This combo launches first at all times.
Procedure:
Beylauncher R
Beylauncher L
Zero G Attack Stadium, Balance Stadium, Defense Stadium
First things to consider:
In the attack stadium MB is used for sway resistance, in the balance stadium BWD is used because of less risk of being swayed out and in the defense stadium EWD is used for pure endurance.
Attack Stadium testing:
MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) MB vs. Ifraid Begirados E230GCF
Phantom: 14 wins (13 OS, 1 KO)
Ifraid: 6 wins (6 KO)
MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) EWD vs. Death Quetzalcoatl AD145MB
Phantom: 14 Wins (13 OS, 1 KO)
Death: 6 wins (1 OS (phantom got knocked really off-balance), 5 KO)
Defense stadium
MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) EWDvs. Duo Aquario B
Phantom: 19 wins (18 OS, 1 KO)
Duo: 1 win (1 OS)
MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) EWDvs. Phantom Aquario B
E230: 18 wins (17 OS, 1 KO)
B
: 2 wins MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) Ewdvs. Revizer Dragoon B
Phantom: 4 wins (4 OS)
Dragoon: 16 wins (15 OS, 1 KO)
Balance stadium:
MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWd vs. Duo Aquario W145 WD
Phantom: 13 wins (12 OS, 1 Crazy KO)
Duo: 7 wins (7 OS)
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - diblee123 - May. 16, 2013
Nice tests! Question though, can I replace BWD with BSF in the balance stadium?
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - diblee123 - May. 16, 2013
Also test against Duo E230MB please.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 16, 2013
I only have one e230 and can no longer test as I do not own a stadium, I was using a friend's
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - LMAO - May. 16, 2013
Nice tests. How does this do against MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD?
EDIT: Never mind, I didn't notice the post above.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - diblee123 - May. 16, 2013
LMAO he said he cannot test anymore because he was using his friends stadium.
Also can BWD be replaced with BSF?
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - Dual - May. 16, 2013
I highly doubt it. The two are very different.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - th!nk - May. 17, 2013
I was messing around with an E230 stamina (and later balance) combo in BB-10 a while back (also using phantom IIRC), I found it did really well against certain heights (IIRC this was as much as "beating MB a fair amount of the time with RSF" well lol), but when its disk could be hit downwards/from above (opposing wheels had to be at a pretty particular height anyway), I think it was, it was quite easily outspun. I guess with the lower match time in ZG stadia, and the other relevant properties, it wouldn't be as much of a problem, but I would strongly suggest testing be done to check for this with combos that have similar stamina, even in zero-g.
Also, Time, is BWD the only tip that can beat B: D? I think you should look at doing more tests, to compare the performance of each tip - especially as a big part of posting combinations is finding their weaknesses.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 17, 2013
I use ewd frequently as well and wd is not bad and yes it only works well against things e230 will be even with or be able to be knocked above, it has serious problems against things taller than 170, I like to think of it as an anti-right spin b:d
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - [)ragon - May. 17, 2013
I have seen Duo B
lose by OS to plenty of 230 combos for some reason. IDK why, but when I see it, 230MB combos can usually just beat it... It's really wierd. 
I would think that this would work better with Duo, but I haven't actually tried it yet.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 17, 2013
We tried Duo to less success at the tournament actually and it had less success because of its smaller diameter making it irrelevant in the actual battle leading to more difficulty against taller things.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - [)ragon - May. 17, 2013
(May. 17, 2013 2:35 AM)Time Wrote: We tried Duo to less success at the tournament actually and it had less success because of its smaller diameter making it irrelevant in the actual battle leading to more difficulty against taller things.
Ummm... What?
sorry, I didn't quite get what you meant. 
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - Thunder Dome - May. 17, 2013
What mode is Phantom in? You never stated that.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 17, 2013
I mean it's pretty much implied to be in endurance mode or whatever the technical name for the one which spins longer is...
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - loyd87 - May. 17, 2013
can we replace de E230 for 230 or it's a major difference in results.
I have a zero g attack stadium so the combo with MB or EWD I can make it but I don't have the E230 so...
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 18, 2013
It makes a huge difference
@theblackdragon
Phantom is signicantly wider than Duo and therefore is actually involved in contact during the battle while Duo just sits there and makes e230 do all the work.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - ShinobuXD - May. 18, 2013
Exactly how did this beat B
? I just can't fathom a horribly balanced track with pitiful stamina and what is basically a sharper, taller WD(from what I've heard) beating the bottom with bearings and the most pure stamina 90% of the time. Who launched Phantom? Who has the stronger launch? Did you swap metal wheels?
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - Diablo-Beyz DBZ - May. 18, 2013
I Could Help you with testing thou I don't have Defense and Balnce Zero G stadium
It's night now i could do it tommorow maybe
Anyways I'm also confused.How could a track with so much recoil has so much stamina (The same question as ShinobuXD)and E230 Can win against B
? Is it because of grinding or something.I guess i'll test it myself tommorow
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - [)ragon - May. 18, 2013
(May. 18, 2013 12:24 AM)Time Wrote: It makes a huge difference
@theblackdragon
Phantom is signicantly wider than Duo and therefore is actually involved in contact during the battle while Duo just sits there and makes e230 do all the work.
Wait, so you want the metal wheel to make contact? Huh... When I use phantom, it seems that it is able to OS better when there is no metal-to-metal contact, but it could be different at such a tall height.
I also agree with shinobu XD. I have BWD, and it has awful balance on anything, let alone E230. I don't think this would consistently OS B in most cases.My 250th post!
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 18, 2013
You know what I just realized I made a typo in the opening post all he tests against B
were done on EWD in the defense stadium, more like a series of significant typos
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - [)ragon - May. 19, 2013
(May. 18, 2013 9:17 PM)Time Wrote: You know what I just realized I made a typo in the opening post all he tests against B
OOOOhhhhhh..... That could've been it.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - Diablo-Beyz DBZ - May. 19, 2013
Here's my testing result: I used cancer because It's great
Equipment : New Beylauncher LR Mars Red,Launcher Grip,Zero G attack Stadium
Phantom Cancer VS Diablo Kerbecs(Attack Zero g Stadium)
Result :Phantom 8 wins(ALL OS)
Diablo 2 wins (all os)
WIN Percentage = 80%
Phantom Cancer Vs Duo B:D
Phantom 13 Wins (All Os)
Duo 7 Wins (All OS)
Win Percentage = 65%
When testing i just realized that E230 was in lower mode so i changed it's mode and Tested it again
Phantom Cancer (Upper disk mode) Vs Duo B:D
Phantom 5 Wins (All Os)
Duo 0 wins
The Track Position Make Significant Difference I think Upper mode is much better .Now i see how it can beat B:D combo .Oh yeah,I stopped at 5 Because My EWD is Wearing out
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - [)ragon - May. 19, 2013
(May. 19, 2013 2:07 AM)Diablo-Beyz DBZ Wrote: Here's my testing result: I used cancer because It's great
Equipment : New Beylauncher LR Mars Red,Launcher Grip,Zero G attack Stadium
Phantom Cancer VS Diablo Kerbecs(Attack Zero g Stadium)
Result
Diablo 2 wins (all os)
WIN Percentage = 80%
Phantom Cancer Vs Duo B
Phantom 13 Wins (All Os)
Duo 7 Wins (All OS)
Win Percentage = 65%
When testing i just realized that E230 was in lower mode so i changed it's mode and Tested it again
Phantom Cancer (Upper disk mode) Vs Duo B
Phantom 5 Wins (All Os)
Duo 0 wins
The Track Position Make Significant Difference I think Upper mode is much better .Now i see how it can beat B
Ummm... I think you used EWD on phantom, since you mentioned it at the end, but would you mind posting what track and bottom diablo used? Just curious.
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - Diablo-Beyz DBZ - May. 19, 2013
Yes The bottom was my 1 month old EWD it was wearing out.Luckily i have replacement .(I forgot to put the combo's track and bottom ) Diablo's track was AD145MB
RE: MF-H Phantom Aquario E230 (upper mode) BWD/MB/EWD - TimeOut - May. 19, 2013
Out of curiosity what clear wheel did you use on Duo?