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RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 04, 2013
Er... I beg to differ. Dragooon SA165 actually does very well against most competitive attackers nowadays. Although BD145 may be slightly more effective, it is absolutely not more/just as effective against Stamina and Defense. Not to say it's bad, but the SA165 variant has a much easier time KOing things.
However, I do really, really like Dragooon BD145R2F. It's amazing. It's not exactly a more competitive pick, but it's certainly good. Neither one is more "competitive" than the other. They just work in slightly different ways.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - SwitchBlayder - Nov. 04, 2013
OK so I have just realized that S130 is not on the tier list for Wyvang WYvang and I will be doing tests to, hopefully, prove that it should. (Or prove that it shouldn't lol). If anyone else would like to do tests as well I would really appreciate it
)) Also I need testing against the following: Duo, Dragooon variations, and Flash. Thank you
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 05, 2013
(Nov. 04, 2013 11:38 PM)Switchblad3r Wrote: OK so I have just realized that S130 is not on the tier list for Wyvang WYvang and I will be doing tests to, hopefully, prove that it should. (Or prove that it shouldn't lol). If anyone else would like to do tests as well I would really appreciate it
Oh my goodness... that's a very good idea! Why hasn't anyone else tested that yet?
I might be able to do some testing later.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - SwitchBlayder - Nov. 05, 2013
I used all the same parts only changing the track of Wyvang. I was surprised at how well my Wyvang did against Revizer on E230.
CONDITIONS
BB:10
L/R Beylauncher
Prime RF
Prime CS
New GB145
New S130
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The results were pretty similar, I beleive they are somewhat equal in how well they will do against this combo, except S130 caught a few more breaks than GB145. I think S130 does perform better than GB145 even by a small margin, but I don't think just these results prove that theory, we need more from others! I will do more tests against other combos later since, I believe S130 should be on the tier list paired with Wyvang.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Ingulit - Nov. 06, 2013
@ Phantom ____ SR200TB: Those test results are too conflicting; we need more people testing that before we would add it to the list. I can see it going up, though I'd personally always want to use Genbull Genbull SR200TB (well, TH170TB) instead since it is so much heavier. That would actually be something that would be useful to test: Phantom ___ SR200TB vs. Genbull Genbull (SR200/TH170)TB.
@ S130 on Wyvang: KainHighwind and I tried it and decided that it didn't make as clean of contact against a number of foes as 145-height tracks did. We settled on CH120 being the best option if one wants a non-145 height track primarily since it CAN be the all-important 145 height. I even tried 135, and while I had extremely high hopes we'd found something 135 is good at it didn't end up doing much better than GB145 x)
@ Death: I'm not honestly sure why Death was shoehorned onto the list like that, but I can't say I'd entirely disagree with the choice. I maintain that Death is better against left spin than Duo on 145-height, but I have no clue if it is any better on F230 since I can't test that
@ MSF-F Genbull Dragooon SA165W2D: Those results against Duo ___ W145WD are phenomenal, but I realllly want to see more users back those tests up. How much was Dragooon winning by? Unfortunately its results against SR200TB and 230D are extremely unremarkable since any right-spin Bey on 170+ height basically autoloses to left spin already.
@ Genbull Genbull E230MB: This custom sounds like it would be so bad, but numerous users saying otherwise is making me really want to test it out! It just seems so weird, lol
@ Wyvang Dragooon BD145R2F: I imagine this is a custom that is just an obviously good cookie cutter custom, such that I could see it needing to be put on the tier list merged with similar customs for completeness's sake. As an example: (MSF(-H)) Wyvang Dragooon BD145(RDF/RF/R2F/LRF) in the Balance section.
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RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - SwitchBlayder - Nov. 06, 2013
(Nov. 06, 2013 12:27 AM)Ingulit Wrote: @ S130 on Wyvang: KainHighwind and I tried it and decided that it didn't make as clean of contact against a number of foes as 145-height tracks did. We settled on CH120 being the best option if one wants a non-145 height track primarily since it CAN be the all-important 145 height. I even tried 135, and while I had extremely high hopes we'd found something 135 is good at it didn't end up doing much better than GB145 x)My results say otherwise, I'll do more tests, but if enough people get similar results I think you should consider putting it on the tier list.
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RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - DrPepsidew - Nov. 06, 2013
(Nov. 06, 2013 12:27 AM)Ingulit Wrote: @ Genbull Genbull E230MB: This custom sounds like it would be so bad, but numerous users saying otherwise is making me really want to test it out! It just seems so weird, lol
Check my thread ;3
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 06, 2013
Yes, Genbull/Girago Genbull E230MB is a must-have for the list in my opinion. Dr. soda over here has done plenty of testing, along with myself, and it's already placed twice. So yah, I think it's time we threw it up there.
That said, I am insanely supportive of Phantom TB. The thing is a monster. Although I didn't actually get to test against Genbull SR200TB, Phantom did better against Stamina for the most part. I'd love that and Wyvang Dragooon BD145R2F/LRF/RF on the list as well.
Er, I could live with Death F230CF/GCF staying up there, but as Kei stated in its testing thread Duo does just about everything better.
Also, does anyone think Girago Girago SA165MF deserves a spot? I really, really like it and I don't see any reason it wouldn't be a competitive custom. Sure, it does lose to Dragooon, but so does Genbull SR200TB, Duo 230D/SD/TH170D/SD/SR200TB, E230 defense of any kind, BD145CS/RSF/RB defenders, and all kinds of stuff.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Oceanking - Nov. 06, 2013
Where's Reviser/Killerken Dragooon BD145RDF? It's a proven top tier combo.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - SwitchBlayder - Nov. 06, 2013
(Nov. 06, 2013 12:48 AM)Oceanking Wrote: Where's Reviser/Killerken Dragooon BD145RDF? It's a proven top tier combo.It kind of already is only with SA165, I am not sure but I think SA165 does a significantly better job so the BD145 option was left out...
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 06, 2013
Actually, one isn't really better than the other... they're just alternate options. It's all based on preference.
But somebody had a reason for not putting Dragooon BD145 on the list with Killerken or Revizer of which I remember nothing. I don't actually know why it isn't on there.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - SwitchBlayder - Nov. 06, 2013
(Nov. 06, 2013 1:03 AM)theblackdragon Wrote: Actually, one isn't really better than the other... they're just alternate options. It's all based on preference.so... SA165 was better on the custom, since there is no other reason to leave it off otherwise. Which is basically what I was saying...
But somebody had a reason for not putting Dragooon BD145 on the list with Killerken or Revizer of which I remember nothing. I don't actually know why it isn't on there.
I believe it is because SA165 provides better LAD...
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - TimeOut - Nov. 06, 2013
I think one of the admins said they didn't like it for some reason and then discussion on it stopped although when the uk was active it was rampant over there and I dominated a finals in Virginia using it
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 06, 2013
Yes, but BD145 provides much higher precession. I don't remember the reason for not adding it, but IMO it couldn't of been a good one.
SA165 on Dragooon does have a very strange tendency to avoid being shoved out of the stadium in the manner than opposite-spin attackers KO their opponents, but BD145 provides more Defense against raw smash. They both serve pretty much the same purpose, and it all comes down to which Track the blader prefers.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - *Ginga* - Nov. 06, 2013
The Killerken/Revizer Dragooon BD145RDF isn't up there because Wyvang Dragooon does worlds better for the combo.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 06, 2013
Ah... that was it. Thanks for reminding me. XD
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - SwitchBlayder - Nov. 06, 2013
I'm not going to stop testing until S130 is on the tier list with GB145, Where it belongs. Please help me with tests so I can have something to weigh my results against.
@Inguilt did you guys actually do formal testing on the S130 variant or was it just informal?
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Cake - Nov. 07, 2013
@theblackdragon:
Haha, you corrected me on that same topic XD
(Sep. 09, 2013 9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote:(Sep. 09, 2013 8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.
Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there.IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Plastics Lover - Nov. 09, 2013
ere are a few of my tests with MSF-L Girago Genbull SA165 GF in a BB-10.
Standard Procedure and Alternating Shots starting with Girago Genbull. SA165 was in Zero G Attack Mode. The reason is that I found that SA165 (ZGA) + GF = Maximum Precession + LAD Ability.
MSF-L Girago Genbull SA165 GF vs MSF-H Genbull Dragooon F230 GCF
Girago Genbull: 13/20 (10 KO, 3 OS)
Genbull Dragooon: 7/20 (2 KO, 5 OS)
Girago Genbull Win Rate: 65 %
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - PhantomX - Nov. 11, 2013
How about Phantom 100CF? In my testing it seems to have potential as a good staller and good anti spin-equalizer.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Thunder Dome - Nov. 13, 2013
(Nov. 11, 2013 12:51 PM)Blader Phantom Wrote: How about Phantom 100CF? In my testing it seems to have potential as a good staller and good anti spin-equalizer.I haven't seen much tests for this combo so we can't really say something needs to go on the Top Tier List when it hasn't had much testing. If you posted your testing that you did that would probably help you get Phantom 100 CF on the Tier list if your tests and other members tested proofed that it actually deserves to be on it.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Leone19 - Nov. 13, 2013
(Nov. 13, 2013 10:08 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote:(Nov. 11, 2013 12:51 PM)Blader Phantom Wrote: How about Phantom 100CF? In my testing it seems to have potential as a good staller and good anti spin-equalizer.I haven't seen much tests for this combo so we can't really say something needs to go on the Top Tier List when it hasn't had much testing. If you posted your testing that you did that would probably help you get Phantom 100 CF on the Tier list if your tests and other members tested proofed that it actually deserves to be on it.
To add on, I've experimented with TheSupremeOne with this combo, as well as it with GCF and GF. The results were not incredibly, horribly, bad- but the combo just doesn't do as well as (85) MF.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - Snoop Dog MS - Nov. 15, 2013
I've decided that it's time for me to start contributing to this thread with tests.
Genbull Dragooon F230(Orange)GCF vs MSF Bahamdia Ifraid SA165(Normal Mode)R2F
Dragooon launched first always. R2F is in prime condition
Dragooon wins: 11/10(10 OS, 1 KO)
Ifraid wins: 9/10(all KO)
Ifraid Win Percentage: 45%
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - [)ragon - Nov. 15, 2013
Oh my gosh... it's about time someone tried that!
Thanks Shiny. I'll try to get some results up later if I can.
RE: Public Competitive MFB Customs Discussion (BB-10) - 6 God - Nov. 15, 2013
(Nov. 09, 2013 12:36 AM)Plastics Lover Wrote: ere are a few of my tests with MSF-L Girago Genbull SA165 GF in a BB-10.
Standard Procedure and Alternating Shots starting with Girago Genbull. SA165 was in Zero G Attack Mode. The reason is that I found that SA165 (ZGA) + GF = Maximum Precession + LAD Ability.
MSF-L Girago Genbull SA165 GF vs MSF-H Genbull Dragooon F230 GCF
Girago Genbull: 13/20 (10 KO, 3 OS)
Genbull Dragooon: 7/20 (2 KO, 5 OS)
Girago Genbull Win Rate: 65 %
I actually really like the concept of this combo. IMO, it really needs further testing, but genbull seems really out of place. I'd suggest soemthing like Wyvang on bottom and Girago on top.