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Beywiki Plastic Inaccuracies - Ultra - Aug. 01, 2012
Okay so me and th!nk know the articles which don't have the correct info but I thought i'd write it down to show everyone. For the ones I properly know about I have detailed what is inaccurate:
-Zombie article
-Dragoon V2
-Draciel F
-Wolborg 2
-Galeon - While it is good Tiger Defenser (Driger S) outdoes it for both Stamina and Defence. More
-Compact article - God compacts are really not competitive. While the bit about them being good against combos that are not well planned is true apart from that there's no real reason to use them. Also SG Semi Flat is awful and while Metal Change and Customize metal change (neither are in the article for some reason) don't say it, they both outclass it massively.
BB Semi Flat article - Quite inadequate description I feel. Compacts suck. These don't too much
Also th!nk and I are working on these now (i'll start soon).
RE: Beywiki Inaccuracies - Kai-V - Aug. 02, 2012
Dragoon V2 and Draciel F are personally taken care of already, in terms of what I can do. th!nk is just working some more on Dragoon V2.
RE: Beywiki Inaccuracies - th!nk - Aug. 02, 2012
I disagree with your assessment of compacts (though I definitely agree that BB Semi Flat is not comparable to Metal Ball Base, Metal Change Base, or even Customize Change Base in terms of performance). The Wolborg 2 article also deserves a spot on that list. I'm working on Dragoon V2/Draciel F/Wolborg 2 as major priorities right now and will then move onto the Zombie article, it's just Dragoon V2 is taking a rather long time due to the versatility of the BB. Obviously I'm also working on other drafts on the side, I haven't abandoned any, haha, but there's only so many hours in a day.
It should be noted that right now most of the plastic beyblade articles need at least a lot of work, if in some cases only because beywiki's standards have risen over time. I'll go through my error list later today and list off the ones with actual factual errors rather than say, not offering direct comparisons or enough detail and post it here.
Perhaps it would be good to rename this thread BeyWiki Plastics Innaccuracies, though, lest it become an "errors on the wiki" clone? Doing so would clarify the intent (i.e. to tell people what to ignore in plastics articles until we fix everything up).
RE: Beywiki Inaccuracies - Cake - Aug. 02, 2012
It definitely needs to be clarified in the title that it's for plastics only. I expect about a hundred new users will flock to this thread, skip the OP, and say, "Beywiki says Flame is good! It's completely inaccurate! It's all like, 'Yabba dabba doo Libra!'"
Sorry to be a bit hypocritical, but the MFB articles definitely need work, particularly very old tier-list wheels like Libra, Pegasus, Earth, Burn, LLD, etc. A lot of the older articles redirect to say, Basalt, which isn't bad, but isn't top-tier.
RE: Beywiki Inaccuracies - Ultra - Aug. 02, 2012
(Aug. 02, 2012 1:40 AM)th!nk Wrote: I disagree with your assessment of compacts (though I definitely agree that BB Semi Flat is not comparable to Metal Ball Base, Metal Change Base, or even Customize Change Base in terms of performance). The Wolborg 2 article also deserves a spot on that list. I'm working on Dragoon V2/Draciel F/Wolborg 2 as major priorities right now and will then move onto the Zombie article, it's just Dragoon V2 is taking a rather long time due to the versatility of the BB. Obviously I'm also working on other drafts on the side, I haven't abandoned any, haha, but there's only so many hours in a day.
It should be noted that right now most of the plastic beyblade articles need at least a lot of work, if in some cases only because beywiki's standards have risen over time. I'll go through my error list later today and list off the ones with actual factual errors rather than say, not offering direct comparisons or enough detail and post it here.
Perhaps it would be good to rename this thread BeyWiki Plastics Innaccuracies, though, lest it become an "errors on the wiki" clone? Doing so would clarify the intent (i.e. to tell people what to ignore in plastics articles until we fix everything up).
What about what I said about compacts do you disagree with?
(Aug. 02, 2012 1:03 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Dragoon V2 and Draciel F are personally taken care of already, in terms of what I can do. th!nk is just working some more on Dragoon V2.
I know but i'd like it to be clear to everyone that the article up now is not completely accurate.
(Aug. 02, 2012 1:58 AM)Cake Wrote: It definitely needs to be clarified in the title that it's for plastics only. I expect about a hundred new users will flock to this thread, skip the OP, and say, "Beywiki says Flame is good! It's completely inaccurate! It's all like, 'Yabba dabba doo Libra!'"
Sorry to be a bit hypocritical, but the MFB articles definitely need work, particularly very old tier-list wheels like Libra, Pegasus, Earth, Burn, LLD, etc. A lot of the older articles redirect to say, Basalt, which isn't bad, but isn't top-tier.
Yes they do, However I reworked Pegasis 105F a few months ago and it's fine. I plan to do the same for the others too at some point (starting with bull, Leone and Saggitario).
RE: Beywiki Inaccuracies - th!nk - Aug. 02, 2012
They're excellent for tournaments (i.e. competitive environments), you're not giving enough "respect" (not the word I'm after but w/e) the fact that most opponents won't be using top tier combos, and in most areas a good driger S combo practically guarantees you a spot in the finals. Also, while not as easy as with Weight Defense, you can KO launch with compacts quite successfully. Sure, when you get up to the top tiers they start to struggle but most opponents you face during a tournament won't be using top-tier specialised customizations, however the random nature of the customizations they do use mean that it's entirely possible for specialised combination to lose - through KO, OS, bad spin direction matchup, etc.
I think I've been through this like twice but here's other types:
Other competitive types
Defensive Zombies: Need opposite spin to be reliable
Circle Survive Defense Combos: Oddly unreliable against same spin
Zombies: easy to KO
Weight Defense: Middle of the road stamina, i.e. prone to getting OS'd (though with a good base and KO launching, pretty reliable)
Smash Attack: A lot of effort re: the launch, especially if you don't have much experience playing against others.
Upper Attack: Generally needs same spin, and a good launch.
Upper Attack/Spin Stealer Combo: Defensive issues
Compacts generally won't be KO'd by anything short of a top tier smash attacker, generally are able to outspin most random stuff, and can net KO's/use KO Launching (which is a fair bit easier than it sounds tbh) as a last resort/against recoily stuff.
Admittedly, I'd use my weight based defender over a compact but the setup I use is a pretty new thing and it's very compact-ey anyway. Admittedly I might switch to that force smash combo depending on how both do against zombies and some random combos I'll throw together to make sure there aren't any weird weaknesses but again, new concept and it shares the same kinda all-around performance as compacts/weight defense (although I'm concerned about the lighter weight for KO launching and maybe a slightly opposite spin weakness but that seems only to be an issue against stamina for some reason).