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RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Temporal - Aug. 10, 2011
I say multi-directional spin is best. That way, if you see MLD, you use left-spin. Basalt, you use right. I'm not letting this thing zombie me, no sir.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
Yes, but VariAres only poses in Attack. Recoil is also a huge factor here. If B
actually weighs a certain amount, we could be seeing it taking over Defensively, especially on said so Basalt.Lol, that won't happen of Basalt is banned as Kei is talking for.. B
is gonna be pretty good against LTDC, I suppose.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Deikailo - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:38 PM)BeyBladestation Wrote:You speak as though I have addressed none of this already...(Aug. 10, 2011 6:37 PM)Deikailo Wrote: If you take a look at many bearing core parts from the past generations, they are all VERY light and can be KO'd extremely easily.Yes, yes, but it would also depend on many factors, height, weight, etc.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Pcyborg - Aug. 10, 2011
I hope you guys remember that the glory of bearings with plastics was because the fact that plastics tend to be lower RPM in general, overall lower density (due to being plastic) and way less recoil (MFB has loads of metal contact). Spin stealing effectively was only possible because of all this. These elements no longer apply in MFB anymore.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Raigeko13 - Aug. 10, 2011
Yes, life after death doesn't even exist in MFB, and IIRC, that was sort of a factor in them.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Temporal - Aug. 10, 2011
But spin-steal is. MLD'r rubber makes it effective at spin-equalizing, so it should work for spin-steal. Concepts can change, and we could see a MFB-adapted type of zombies. That, and I don't want to see Libra on this thing.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Pcyborg - Aug. 10, 2011
Nothing to do with life after death at all infact. Its just higher RPM and recoil game here and the generic properties of stamina types. No matter how spectacular the stamina maybe, slight metal contact will be enough to disrupt the whole thing altogether.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:42 PM)Deikailo Wrote:I was just trying to bring it back up, the couple of posts before it Temporal was saying Attack Types would easily take it down.(Aug. 10, 2011 6:38 PM)BeyBladestation Wrote:You speak as though I have addressed none of this already...(Aug. 10, 2011 6:37 PM)Deikailo Wrote: If you take a look at many bearing core parts from the past generations, they are all VERY light and can be KO'd extremely easily.Yes, yes, but it would also depend on many factors, height, weight, etc.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Dan - Aug. 10, 2011
Chances are they will, though?
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Lok - Aug. 10, 2011
about the weight n height.
i reckon it will be similar to the scythe kronos
we can get a clue from the video, at the beginning it show the stat of all three bey
the scythe n orion has the same weight stat
and when the test start, it show the diameter of both 2 are similar as well
by compare these picture with a scythe we can estimate the height.
[Image: 111.jpg]
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Arctic - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:42 PM)Pcyborg Wrote: Spin stealing effectively was only possible because of all this. These elements no longer apply in MFB anymore.
Try weak launching Lightning L Drago 100WD against Earth Bull145WD, lightning will equalize and then get out spun the majority of the time but it does prove that spin stealing is possible.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:46 PM)Temporal Wrote: But spin-steal is. MLD'r rubber makes it effective at spin-equalizing, so it should work for spin-steal. Concepts can change, and we could see a MFB-adapted type of zombies. That, and I don't want to see Libra on this thing.But would B
just counter that? MLD's Spin Steal. Overall, Pcyborg is saying what should be done. Adding that we need Right Spinners to take it down, because all of Left Spin efforts could just be that Zombie Feeding.(Aug. 10, 2011 6:49 PM)minglok Wrote: about the weight n height.Reminds me of T125WD's height.
i reckon it will be similar to the scythe kronos
we can get a clue from the video, at the beginning it show the stat of all three bey
the scythe n orion has the same weight stat
and when the test start, it show the diameter of both 2 are similar as well
by compare these picture with a scythe we can estimate the height.
[Image: 111.jpg]
Thanks for the close-up, it helps!
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:49 PM)Arctic Wrote:That could translate into B(Aug. 10, 2011 6:42 PM)Pcyborg Wrote: Spin stealing effectively was only possible because of all this. These elements no longer apply in MFB anymore.
Try weak launching Lightning L Drago 100WD against Earth Bull145WD, lightning will equalize and then get out spun the majority of the time but it does prove that spin stealing is possible.
doing the same thing on a lighter wheel being used with it.If it is true for all this rotation, we would need a higher attacker.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Temporal - Aug. 10, 2011
Eh, Scythe may work, or maybe Earth on left-spin, but as I said, this may change the definition of "zombie" a bit, or we'll have to be happy with spin-stealing.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot about the lack of Left-Spin metal wheels. There's so few, that really there's be no point. Ah, well. Death of a dream.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
If we spin-steal all we are doing is letting B
come over us. Lol, just noticed the edit and I'm still typing this. So, I see Mid-Height Stamina is really the only way we'll get anywhere.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Pcyborg - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:49 PM)Arctic Wrote:Spin stealing effectively. Plastics didnt require any special prerequisites. Bearing cores back then could regardless of height difference as long as its in the opposing spin. Which was why it dominated for so long.(Aug. 10, 2011 6:42 PM)Pcyborg Wrote: Spin stealing effectively was only possible because of all this. These elements no longer apply in MFB anymore.
Try weak launching Lightning L Drago 100WD against Earth Bull145WD, lightning will equalize and then get out spun the majority of the time but it does prove that spin stealing is possible.
What I'm trying to point out is, dont expect this to be a spin stealing monster. Its instead a part which maintains spin longer more effectively. Else why advertise its solo spin time?
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
True, and thank you for pointing that out to everyone.
But MFB might just be different. If we think about if, TH170 on certain heights could come over his quite easily.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Deikailo - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 6:59 PM)Pcyborg Wrote: Else why advertise its solo spin time?Because little kids in Japan can understand this concept.
Even if this does become a spin stealing monster, just use attack.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
Yes, I'm just hoping Left Spin Attackers won't have to much of a problem with it.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Pcyborg - Aug. 10, 2011
(Aug. 10, 2011 7:00 PM)BeyBladestation Wrote: True, and thank you for pointing that out to everyone.MFB designs are top heavy due to the metal wheels on the top, which is why there are carp loads of balance issues especially with MS (especially at low RPM). Plastics were well balance in terms of weight cos of plastic density.
But MFB might just be different. If we think about if, TH170 on certain heights could come over his quite easily.
MFB is a recoil game. Introducing bearing was a good idea. It actually shows the MW's true recoil potential even at low RPM (if it could).
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
I guess that is where Temporal's recoil idea came in. But that would be eliminated if it was a Spin-Stealing monster, which could happen.
But you were right before, it was advertised as a Solo Spinner.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Temporal - Aug. 10, 2011
But you still need to remind yourself, people DO use LLD BD145RF, so we need SOMETHING besides Basalt to not get wiped. Scythe is essentially a disk, so the lack of recoil could produce a spin-stealish effect. Of course, this could also be the headshot to ban Basalt. Personally, I like Basalt, I don't like some of the combos, but that's off topic.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
th!nk and I were discussing this, but BD145 on self counter. There's nothing. BD145, if mostly, protruding, would really do nothing unless this was extremely light, as Deikailo acknowledged. But I still doubt that would be the case.
Scythe lacks recoil, and is round with Stamina and that PC Frame is a game changer.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Dan - Aug. 10, 2011
Wait, not to be off-topic, but you can put Kronos on other wheels, right? Or not?
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - BeybladeStation - Aug. 10, 2011
The PC Frame? No.
RE: BB-118 Phantom Orion B:D - Temporal - Aug. 10, 2011
That's what I'm getting at. Scythe has NO recoil, the PC Frame is awesome, and has a bunch of stamina. Maybe this could spell the end of left-spin combos that use BD145, since they would have much of their spin stolen quite easily.