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Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 24, 2011
Alright so I have everything that I've ordered in now yay!!!
Only have one MF-H and one MF so I used them appropriately to emmulate a usual circumstance. Also the MF from Hasbro is stupid long and doesn't work on any track 100 or lower. And I only have one CS and no RSF so I had to use WB for the other defense combo.
Stadium: Attack type
Combo I'm testing is Hell Kerbecs BD145CS in both Boost and CS modes against the top tiers at all heights of Stamina, Defense, and Attack. My results were quite schockingly nice!
First off a testing just to show Kai-V that my results line up with other people.
Test
Spoiler (Click to View)
BOOST MODE:
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AzlanSlayer's Tests
Defence Testing (Click to View)
Sooooo given that you can change the Facebolt dependant on the situation it looks as if you can give Hell Kerbecs around a 90% chance to win any battle, WOOHHOOOO Hooray for game breakers!!!
RE: Hell Kerbex Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Dan - Feb. 24, 2011
Why is it doing better in 'Normal Mode'..? Mind telling me how those matches went, in comparison to Boost Mode?
*Kerbecs.
I think people throw out words like ' ______ Killer', 'Game-Breaker', 'Balance type' too much.. But you could be right.
RE: Hell Kerbex Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 4:31 AM)Dan Wrote: Why is it doing better in 'Normal Mode'..? Mind telling me how those matches went, in comparison to Boost Mode?
*Kerbecs.
I think people throw out words like ' ______ Killer', 'Game-Breaker', 'Balance type' too much.. But you could be right.
Did you look at the results at all? It boosts its win rate vs. attack by 20% lol. You basically have a 90% chance to win against any combo based on whether it's in boost or normal mode.
RF is practically new condition btw.
EDIT: Ahhhh understood what you meant now.
Ok well first off in normal mode it had comparitively less oomph.(which doesn't really support rest of my argument lol) So versus attack types the BD145 in normal mode was more of a shield that helped keep the other bey from touching its track versus in boost mode. Too be honest it got flung around quite a bit in either mode, other than just protecting its track I can't tell you why it did that much better besides just saying "pure luck?" Either way it outspun in like all circumstances. I felt like it took longer on matches while it was in normal mode however, perhaps the reason to less oomph I stated earlier? Or maybe it took more of a beating in normal mode?
What I meant by less oomph was this, it would beat the opponent in Boost mode and when I picked it up it still had a bit of torque. When I picked it up after normal mode it was at a loss less power.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Dan - Feb. 24, 2011
No, I never look at results!
I just make plain guesses made in relation to the title. Those words do appear too much, you cannot argue with that. So Hell Kerbecs + Defense tip is the recipe for an all around immovable bey? Sounds good.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Stratus G. - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 4:44 AM)Dan Wrote: No, I never look at results!
I just make plain guesses made in relation to the title. Those words do appear too much, you cannot argue with that. So Hell Kerbecs + Defense tip is the recipe for an all around immovable bey? Sounds good.
I Hope This Is Sarcasm..
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 24, 2011
lol. Oh no I totally agree lol, those words appear to much indeedy! Not really immovable though lol, cuz it's flung around a lot as I said, just somehow heavy enough or mobile enough or lucky enough to win a ton!
In case I edited after you had already posted...
"I felt like it took longer on matches while it was in normal mode however, perhaps the reason to less oomph I stated earlier? Or maybe it took more of a beating in normal mode?
What I meant by less oomph was this, it would beat the opponent in Boost mode and when I picked it up it still had a bit of torque. When I picked it up after normal mode it was at a loss less power."
But I mean I really left no room for error here unlike a bunch of other people lol. I wanted to make sure this was the real deal, we're talking 300+ battles to make sure it was what I said it was.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Shabalabadoo - Feb. 24, 2011
Hmm, I requested this in the hell testing topic, and it seems you've gotten the same idea!
But one thing it noticed... For some tests you used mf, some you used mf-h some you used no metal face at all.
You need to keep it consistent.
But I'm very impressed with this combo!
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 4:53 AM)SSJfisherman Wrote: Hmm, I requested this in the hell testing topic, and it seems you've gotten the same idea!
But one thing it noticed... For some tests you used mf, some you used mf-h some you used no metal face at all.
You need to keep it consistent.
But I'm very impressed with this combo!
I explained at the beginning with my number of MFs available, I'll make it clearer though!
If you had an attack vs a defense, usually the attack would have an MF and the defense an MF-H, my MF is super long and does not fit on anything lower than 105, thus forth I only used MF on the defense vs attack.
If you had defense vs defense, both would have MF-H, therefor to equivalate the weight I just removed MF from either or since I do not have two MFs or MF-Hs.
And stamina vs defense, the defense would have MF-H and the stamina would have a normal face, so that worked out great lol!
And ya I know! No one has been on the ball with proper testing on Hell Kerbecs BD145 lol.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Shabalabadoo - Feb. 24, 2011
What you should've done is keep a consistent combo, even if you only have one mf-h and one mf.
Here's how it should be done (not being rude at all, just friendly advice) :
Let's just say you use mf-h on this for most effectiveness all around
This vs defense
Mf-h this vs mf defense
this vs stamina
Mf-h this vs stamina
this vs attack
Mf-h this vs mf attack (unless mf does not fit)
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simple
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 5:02 AM)SSJfisherman Wrote: What you should've done is keep a consistent combo, even if you only have one mf-h and one mf.
Here's how it should be done (not being rude at all, just friendly advice) :
Let's just say you use mf-h on this for most effectiveness all around
This vs defense
Mf-h this vs mf defense
this vs stamina
Mf-h this vs stamina
this vs attack
Mf-h this vs mf attack (unless mf does not fit)
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simple
Thanks for the advice by all means! My thinking was just that if I had MF-H on Kerbecs then people would say. "Well of course it won!"
And if I had MF on only the tracks it fit then that would skew results also.
I just wanted it to be as consistent per category as possible.
But looking at how it turned out, it looks as if a change of face might have made all the difference vs. stamina. It did that well with a heavy face it would do really good without it! Same vs if the other defensive type had a heavy and Hell didn't.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Azlanslayer - Feb. 24, 2011
Hey, i also did some testing:
Standard Setup
Defence Testing (Click to View)
Stamina Testing (Click to View)
Attack Testing (Click to View)
Will do more tests later, i have something up.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Ultra - Feb. 24, 2011
Can someone do testing on just the hell wheel for stamina? eg Hell Bull 145WD/SD vs Earth Bull 145WD/SD. That would be great if you could.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 11:06 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: Can someone do testing on just the hell wheel for stamina? eg Hell Bull 145WD/SD vs Earth Bull 145WD/SD. That would be great if you could.
I'll see about doing that tonight if no one else does it by then.
Oh and Azlan, try redoing your defense results with it in "Normal mode". My biggest goal was to see how different it reacted in either mode.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - BladeStorm - Feb. 24, 2011
Versus 230CS?
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Shabalabadoo - Feb. 24, 2011
Azlanslayer, why did you use a different bottom for attack, defense, and stamina??
This combo uses cs.
I don't get why that should go here, rather than the hell testing topic.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Ultra - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 4:47 PM)SSJfisherman Wrote: Azlanslayer, why did you use a different bottom for attack, defense, and stamina??
This combo uses cs.
I don't get why that should go here, rather than the hell testing topic.
What are you talking about? He used CS on Hell Kerbecs the whole way through.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - dark nova - Feb. 24, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 5:04 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:(Feb. 24, 2011 4:47 PM)SSJfisherman Wrote: Azlanslayer, why did you use a different bottom for attack, defense, and stamina??
This combo uses cs.
I don't get why that should go here, rather than the hell testing topic.
What are you talking about? He used CS on Hell Kerbecs the whole way through.
He used CS on defense only. For stamina he used WD and for attack he used RF.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Vulcan Horsues - Feb. 24, 2011
Surely, you must have had at least a video camera to record it for top-tier testing. You can't just say you did testing without actual proof of the testing. Besides, those combos have mostly been made by a bunch of friends i know already.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Kai-V - Feb. 25, 2011
(Feb. 24, 2011 11:28 PM)Vulcan Horsues Wrote: Surely, you must have had at least a video camera to record it for top-tier testing. You can't just say you did testing without actual proof of the testing. Besides, those combos have mostly been made by a bunch of friends i know already.
Except that I doubt Gibraltor is lying ...
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 26, 2011
(Feb. 25, 2011 12:56 AM)Kai-V Wrote:(Feb. 24, 2011 11:28 PM)Vulcan Horsues Wrote: Surely, you must have had at least a video camera to record it for top-tier testing. You can't just say you did testing without actual proof of the testing. Besides, those combos have mostly been made by a bunch of friends i know already.
Except that I doubt Gibraltor is lying ...
Thanks Kai! Yaaaa because I get off on lying to kids about stuff, and would totally waste 5 hours of video recording it? Might be a slighttttt exaggeration but it took a freakin long time. And not to be rude Vulcan, but if all your friends have known its awesomeness then why has it taken so long to put up these results? And why has no one done as many tests as I have? I was out to prove that this combo is a powerhouse that can kill all other combos from any other metagame.
And ya my thoughts too on Azlan's tests going into Hell in general, which those stamina tests you wanted should probably go there also, Ultra.
And as stated WB was the best I was able to provide for an opponent against Hell Kerbecs, I can however stick Hell Kerbecs on a WB and redo those defense tests if you guys would like with the opponents on CS.
Anyway guys, I go to college so on and so forth, Kai-V has seen some of my art I do for college and can vouch for me that it is college material and not kiddie stuff, I don't have time to just throw around and I don't have time to BS my stuff, I see no reason you guys can't trust me. You can ask Dimsum, I just ordered my stadium from him, and the code he gave me says it reached me before I wrote this, so also proof I have the materials.
COMING UP NEXT: An EXTENSIVE LOOK AT BAKUSHIN!!!!
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Azlanslayer - Feb. 26, 2011
Updated my test results.Also Ultra, when you want Hell Bull? Hell Kerbecs BD145 have the best weight Distribution.
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 26, 2011
I updated the first post with your results and removed the attack stamina combos because they do belong more to Hell Testing. Not having the desired effects with higher track Vulcan lol, didn't realize it did well on higher tracks also. By chance did HK stand less of a chance due to no MF-H?
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Azlanslayer - Feb. 26, 2011
MF Vulcan Horuseus CH120RF is top tier... As stated in the op of competitive combo. MF-H is almost the same as MF, except 1 gram more? Seriously no difference, 1 gram doesn't do much >.>
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Gibraltor - Feb. 26, 2011
lol, if you say so then!
RE: Hell Kerbecs Killer of All Metagames an extensive testing - Dan - Feb. 26, 2011
Guy, MF Vulcan CH120RF is no where near comparable to other higher-track attack beys, or Vulcan 85..