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Basalt Horogium Testing. - linh004 - Feb. 17, 2011
Hey WBO, just got my Basalt today in the post, been doing testing for all types of customisations. Heres some stuff I've found.
Equipment & Conditions:
Stadium - Takara Tomy Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + Angle Compass + Standard Beylauncher. (Beylauncher LR for L Drago Combo)
Both WDs were brand new condition.
All tests had Basalt launched first, apart from the attack tests where stamina combo was launched first
RF and R2F in prime condition
All Attack customs was launched using banking
Key: BH - Basalt Horogium
E - Earth
Peg - MF Pegasus 145 R2F
VH - Vulcan Horuseus
STAMINA
Basalt Horogium DF145 WD vs Earth (Mold 2) AD145 WD
1 BH KO
2 BH KO
3 BH OS
4 BH KO
5 E KO WD's were swapped between each other at the end of round 5
6 BH OS
7 BH KO
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH KO
Basalt Win Rate: 90%
Basalt Horogium 85 WD vs Earth AD145WD
1 E KO
2 BH OS
3 BH OS
4 BH OS
5 BH Os
6 BH KO
7 BH os
8 E KO
9 BH OS
10 BH OS
Basalt Win Rate: 80%.
Both of Earths knock outs were due to Basalt being destabalised by Earth, which causes the edge of Basalts wheel to scrape along the stadium floor, which kind of "rolls" the bey out.
Basalt Horogium 85 WD VS MF Flame Bull 230 WD
1 Flame OS
2 Flame OS
3 Flame OS
4 Flame OS
5 Flame OS
6 Flame OS
7 Flame OS
8 Flame OS
9 Flame OS
10 Flame OS
Basalt Win Rate: 0%
Basalt Horogium AD145 WD vs MF Flame Bull 230 WD
1 BH OS
2 BH OS
3 BH OS
4 BH OS
5 BH OS
6 BH OS
7 BH OS
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH OS
Basalt Win Rate: 100%
Basalt seems to destabalise Flame Bull 90% of the time.
DEFENCE
MF - H Basalt Horogium GB145WB vs MF Pegasis 145 R2F
80% launch both
4 Double KO's, which were retested.
1 BH OS
2 Peg KO
3 BH KO
4 Peg KO
5 PEg KO
6 Peg KO
7 BH KO
8 BH OS
9 Peg KO
10 Peg KO
Basalt Win Rate: 40%
MF - H Basalt Horogium GB145WB vs Vulcan Horseus 85 RF
1 BH OS
2 BH OS
3 VH KO
4 BH OS
5 BH KO
6 VH KO
7 BH OS
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH KO
Basalt Win Rate: 80%
MF - H Basalt Horogium GB145WB vs MF Lightning L Drago CH120 RF
1 BH OS
2 BH OS
3 BH OS
4 BH OS
5 BH OS CH120 switched to 145 mode at the end of round 5.
6 BH OS
7 BH OS
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH OS
Basalt Win Rate: 100%
When L Drago was switched to 145 mode, it seemed to make stronger attacks.
ATTACK
MF Basalt Horogium 85 R2F VS Earth AD145WD
1 BH KO
2 E OS
3 BH KO
4 E OS
5 E OS
6 E OS
7 BH KO
8 E OS
9 E KO
10 BH KO
Basalt Win Rate: 40%
MF Basalt Horogium 145 R2F vs Earth AD145WD
1 E OS
2 E OS
3 E OS
4 E OS
5 BH KO
6 E OS
7 E OS
8 E OS
9 E OS
10 E OS
Basalt Win Rate: 10%
It seems as if the Basalt wheel is best used for stamina.. during the stamina tests, I noticed how most of Basalts KOs had Basalt stationary and the Earth combo moving to collide with Basalt then recoiling out of the stadium. It seems as if when the side of Basalt which has the most weight collides with another wheel, it will "counter attack" and make the opponant recoil. Basalt also has enough weight without a MF for it to withstand a light - medium strength collision and still be stationary. I found Basalt as an attack custom not so great.. when launched with a banking shot, it will go into a flower pattern but quickly circle the stadium, exiting its flower pattern. It also doesnt have enough power to knock a stamina type out of the stadium.
Please leave feedback and positive criticism! Any requests please let me know in this thread!
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Ray Joker - Feb. 17, 2011
100% win rate against L Drago CH120RF with a WB?
That's incredible (But sort of expected). Man, sucks I have to wait for the 26th. (I plan to buy from AD, and I need to save up more money)
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - linh004 - Feb. 17, 2011
Tbh I kinda think L Drago CH120RF isnt a really good attack type that everyone makes it out to be.. Thats just my personal opinion tho.
EDIT: Going sleep now guys, I'll reply back tomorrow =)
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Ray Joker - Feb. 17, 2011
I always thought it was best. Maybe lower/higher tracks work better, against Basalt. An 80% win rate against Vulcan is good too. High tracks seem to work better when it's a Defense type.
Imagine Basalt with 230...
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Kai-V - Feb. 17, 2011
Ah, finally someone tests this Metal Wheel that has unofficially been out for almost a month now ...
Vulcan performs worse than Pegasis ? I like Pegasis, but that seems odd.
Could you also provide a series of test results between MF Earth Bull GB145WB, as comparison ? It would be extremely useful.
MF Lightning L Drago 85RF is also much better for me than any other height.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - xXKaiouyaXx - Feb. 17, 2011
What clear wheels were used in the earth combos? I'm guessing Bull, but I want to make sure =P
Great! (and expected) results though =)
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Dan - Feb. 17, 2011
(Feb. 17, 2011 4:14 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Could you also provide a series of test results between MF Earth Bull GB145WB, as comparison ? It would be extremely useful.
MF Lightning L Drago 85RF is also much better for me than any other height.
Yeah a lower tracked LLD will give a very definite answer.
Good tests!
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - BeybladeStation - Feb. 17, 2011
YES. These are some new tests! Hmm.. I was very impressed by:
linh004 Wrote:MF - H Basalt Horogium GB145WB vs Vulcan Horseus 85 RFGreat Results! Great to know that Basalt was actually able to mange ground, sorta surprised by the WB though, I didn't think WB would work so great with Basalt. And w all know that trying to use the Basalt wheel as an attack type is a terrible idea:
1 BH OS
2 BH OS
3 VH KO
4 BH OS
5 BH KO
6 VH KO
7 BH OS
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH KO
Basalt Win Rate: 80%
linh004 Wrote:MF Basalt Horogium 145 R2F vs Earth AD145WDDefinitely change CH120 to a classic 85. And I didn't thin of putting an 85 on a Basalt wheel, escpecially considering taht it's versing a versatile AD145. Great testings! Keep it up. I'd also like to see:
1 E OS
2 E OS
3 E OS
4 E OS
5 BH KO
6 E OS
7 E OS
8 E OS
9 E OS
10 E OS
Basalt Win Rate: 10%
MF Ray Pegasis 85R2F VS. Basalt Horogium AD145WD
Also: MF(/H if owned) Basalt Horogium AD145WD VS. MF(/H if owned) Earth Bull GB145WB.
I also see your point of putting a '145' track on Pegasis, could you try 100? Perhaps even 90. Not 85, especially since it was against GB145 or even CH120R2F.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Shabalabadoo - Feb. 17, 2011
Yes, I think it is good to test basalt against mf lightning l drago 85 rf, so we know exactly how well it does as a defense wheel...but.
I think the tests that have l l drago 85 rf are not ones that would contribute fully(compared to ch120) to see if basalt is top tier.
from here down(on my post) is based off of tournament, friend battles, etc.
The reason I think this is 230. Plain and simple. That 85 attack isn't going to win against 230, and most people know that. So, they dont use 85 attack, instead they use ch120 and up. They do this because they know that if they're approached with a 230 the safest option will be ch120 and up, that way they can counter multiple heights, and not be brought down by 230.
So, I'm not saying that 85 is going to be not used, I think that ch120+ will be used more. So, if it were to be found to be top tier defense, the deciding factor would be against ch120, more so than 85
Ah, my wording is carp there, I'm not even sure i got my point across straight.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Dan - Feb. 17, 2011
Little people have and use 230 in tournaments yet. (There are only 3 people who do in Toronto, including myself IIRC.)
I think LLD 85 is the control for top-tier defense types on all 145 tracks, which until 230 was our main height.
Considering little people have/use 230, LLD 85RF is still completely valid and remains WBO's dream killer.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - PlayMadeSimple - Feb. 17, 2011
Can someone try a 230/GBRS/RSF/CS/WB defence combo against MF-H Gravity Perseus (L Spin Counter) R145R2F? Plzz
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - ShadowZoroark - Feb. 17, 2011
Oh yeah...Great Tests an I just bought this now i know it wasnt a waste of money
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - NitroNeo - Feb. 17, 2011
Wow awesome results
, i now have to buy one of these , if BH did really good in defense with WB , Can anyone please test BH GB145 CS / RS / WB v/s LLD 100 / 90 RF / R2FIa m really interested in that outcome
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - linh004 - Feb. 17, 2011
Hey guys, woke up 2 hours ago and ive been doing some tests that you guys have requested. Heres some results, same conditions as before:
MF - H Basalt Horogium GB145 WB vs MF Lightning L Drago 85 RF
1 BH OS
2 L Drago KO
3 BH OS
4 BH OS
5 L Drago KO
6 BH KO
7 L Drago KO
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH OS
Basalt Win Rate: 70%
Earth Bull comparison:
MF H Earth Bull GB145 WB vs MF Pegasis 145 RF
1 E KO
2 Peg KO
3 Peg KO
4 E OS
5 Peg KO
6 PEg KO
7Peg KO
8 Peg KO
9 Peg KO
10 E KO
Earth Bull Win Rate: 30%
MF H Earth Bull Gb145 WB vs Vulcan Horuseus 85 RF
1 VH KO
2 VH KO
3 VH KO
4 VH KO
5 VH KO
6 VH KO
7 VH KO
8 E KO
9 VH KO
10 VH KO
Earth Bull Win Rate: 10%
MF H Earth Bull Gb145 vs MF Lightning L Drago CH120 RF
1 L Drago KO
2 L Drago KO
3 L Drago KO
4 L Drago KO
5 E OS End of round 5 CH120 was changed to 145 mode.
6 L Drago KO
7 E OS
8 E OS
9 L Drago KO
10 E OS
Earth Bull Win Rate: 40%
MF H Earth Bull GB145WB vs MF Pegasus 145 R2F
1 E KO
2 E OS
3 E KO
4 Peg KO
5 PegKO
6 Peg KO
7 Peg KO
8 Peg KO
9 Peg KO
10 Peg KO
Earth Bull Win Rate: 30%
MF Basalt Horogium AD145WD vs MF Earth Bull GB145WB
Basalt always launched first
1 BH OS
2 BH OS
3 BH OS
4 BH OS
5 BH OS
6 BH OS
7 BH OS
8 BH OS
9 BH OS
10 BH OS
Basalt win rate: 100%
Ive found that left spin attackers destabalise Basalt quite a bit.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - abhicherath - Feb. 17, 2011
their bound to and basalt seems to be unrealistically epic, return of WB, yesss and it seems to have good stamina, so inbalance seems to increase flywheel effect, cant wait to stock up on these...
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Dan - Feb. 17, 2011
What makes you think WB is coming back? OP just doesn't have CS/RS/RSF..
Guy, CS and WB have equal stamina.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Aquilaz112 - Feb. 17, 2011
Just a theory.
Basalt seems no to be effected by the hits that earth give as it's much heavier just like in the case of earth mold 1 vs earth mold 2(Mold 2 wins) The same goes fore the uncustomized hell kerbex defeating Top tier stamina blades.
It's not because of flywheel effect and all try this against something like (MF-H Libra GB145 WD) AND LET ME SEE IF IT WINS against basalt bull 145 wd
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - linh004 - Feb. 17, 2011
(Feb. 17, 2011 2:37 PM)Dan Wrote: What makes you think WB is coming back? OP just doesn't have CS/RS/RSF..
Guy, CS and WB have equal stamina.
I do have RS, i just didnt test it against attack customs because I think the RS combo will just beat it anyways, anything with RS seems to win against attack haha, I'll do the tests tho just incase.
Sorry for the double post, but ive just did Basalt Horogium AD145WD against MF-H Libra GB145WD and ive found some realy interesting results..
MF-H Libra (mold 2 i think) GB145WD vs Basalt Horogium AD145WD
Libra Launched First, end of round 5 Basalt Launched first.
4 Double KO's which were retested
1 Libra KO
2 Libra KO
3 Basalt OS
4 Basalt KO
5 Libra KO
6 Basalt KO
7 Basalt KO
8 basalt KO
9 Libra KO
10 Libra KO
Libra Win Rate: 50%
Every time Libra won by KO, they both collided and recoild, but the stadium wall saved Libra and Basalt did not have a wall to be saved by. Every time Basalt won by KO, Basalt did not even touch the wall. Basalt wheel is really interesting..
Guys, im gonna be busy today and i'll be back around 11-12PM (GMT, London, UK time). I'll test Basalt RS combos against attack when im back.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Aquilaz112 - Feb. 17, 2011
Oh,my
Not the way I planned the results would be like.
I can't believe that there wasn't even one OS in the battale.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - linh004 - Feb. 17, 2011
Round 3,
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Shika blade - Feb. 17, 2011
Wow. Bassalt is strong. mind testing against MF saggitario 90RF? Lets see what the recoil SGTO does...
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Stratus G. - Feb. 17, 2011
Could You Test..
Hell Kerbecs BD145__ Vs. Basalt Horogium ___ ___ In Terms Of Stamina?
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Electric - Feb. 17, 2011
Wow! Really interesting Basalt... Wow! What a meta-game changer, but not as changing as 230. So now Pegasis has proven to be king? It can defeat 230 because of the 145 height, It can defeat Basalt more than Vulcan and Lightning L Drago, But it does badly against RS.
But, In the competition between Vulcan and Lightning L Drago... Lightning L drago was proven to be better than Vulcan, But here Vulcan performed better? so I guess they are back on an equal level... I like Vulcan better.
And, Such a Heavy wheel, Such good Stamina. Can you test MF-F Basalt Horogium 230WD vs Burn(Mold1) Bull 85SD? I wonder how this turns out.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Ultra - Feb. 17, 2011
Few things i'd like to point out:
1) Definatly not. If you used the RS/RSF/CS instead of WB when Pegasis' results would have been much worse. Pegasis does very well vs WB defence but it has like no chance vs Rubber defence bottom combos.
2) One bout of testing means nothing. Lightning is significantly better at attack than vulcan. Look at the top tier list if you don't believe me.
3) Considering 230 thrashes 85 for stamina there's no point in testing that.
RE: Basalt Horogium Testing. - Electric - Feb. 17, 2011
(Feb. 17, 2011 5:39 PM)Ultrablader Wrote: Few things i'd like to point out:
1) Definatly not. If you used the RS/RSF/CS instead of WB when Pegasis' results would have been much worse. Pegasis does very well vs WB defence but it has like no chance vs Rubber defence bottom combos.
2) One bout of testing means nothing. Lightning is significantly better at attack than vulcan. Look at the top tier list if you don't believe me.
3) Considering 230 thrashes 85 for stamina there's no point in testing that.
230 does NOT trash 85 in Stamina, In fact, I think 85 Trashes 230 in stamina.
Lightning is great, Yeah. But surely it is not significantly better than Vulcan, Vulcan is a menacing beast, Yeah Lightning is better, Sure. But not significantly, I mean Vulcan is the Best Right spin Attack Wheel.
Yeah, Pegasis will DIE against Rubber bottoms. Sorry, I should have thought thrice before saying that.