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RE: Questions about the WBO - Kai-V - Jun. 19, 2013
(Jun. 19, 2013 8:37 PM)*Ginga* Wrote: Any reason why Ultra was banned?
(yes lol i know there is a reason what is it)
Lately he had changed way too much, to the point where anything he would post would not be trusted at all anymore even though in the past he was a quite knowledgeable Member. We truly hope that he will come to realise the full extent of the negative consequences this change of perspective has on him, but for the moment he really had gone too far and kept on sending private messages to people apparently even though his posting priviledges had been removed temporarily.
RE: Questions about the WBO - *Ginga* - Jun. 19, 2013
Dang that really sucks. He was a great guy, but I agree recently he was acting very weird.
To bad too, he was one of BeyWiki's great contributors.
RE: Questions about the WBO - ShinobuXD - Jun. 19, 2013
Oh man, that isn't good for plastics. Especially since th!nk isn't that good with prices. At least we have the price reference list though.
He was acting really weird though. I don't know what was up.
RE: Questions about the WBO - TimeOut - Jun. 20, 2013
Even though your last sentence wasn't phrased as a question since I know the answer....
Basically what happened was he and th!nk got into an argument and because of ultra's autism he got focused in on a couple of minute details and he just couldn't let them go (one of the classic effects of high-functioning autism like he has)
RE: Questions about the WBO - Kai-V - Jun. 20, 2013
(Jun. 20, 2013 3:59 PM)Time Wrote: Even though your last sentence wasn't phrased as a question since I know the answer....
Basically what happened was he and th!nk got into an argument and because of ultra's autism he got focused in on a couple of minute details and he just couldn't let them go (one of the classic effects of high-functioning autism like he has)
... It was a lot more complicated and a lot more spread than the single situation you just described ...
You also have to take this into consideration : Ultra was fine just seven days ago. Suddenly, four or five days ago, he turns into someone else completely ?
RE: Questions about the WBO - *Ginga* - Jun. 20, 2013
It is true what Kai-V is saying. I myself studied what he did after he was banned, and on the 13th was when he really started acting weird. Not about the random parts, but he said there was an 80% chance a certain combo would be top tier with only a few tests.
Very odd, and worth looking into.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Dual - Jun. 20, 2013
It might of just been something personal. Anyway, this is a big loss for the plastic community. Glad we still have th!nk. Anyway, I hope Ultra comes around soon, like I said, it could have just been something personal, as thats what happened with me when I got my warning.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Snoop Dog MS - Jun. 21, 2013
I saw what Ultra was talking about when you said certain part. He said that DS was Top-Tier and that it needs a couple more tests. This was in the Beyblade Random Thoughts Section I believe. It wasn't something personal... he had phsycological problems, which meant he couldn't stop thinking about something until he gets it.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Tri - Jun. 21, 2013
Yeah, but if that's the case, why did it just now start happening? He's been a member for quite a while.
RE: Questions about the WBO - *Ginga* - Jun. 21, 2013
But you don't get it: his "problems" did not only make him focus on things till he gets what he wants, but he puts all of his possible effort into doing that. Obviously being a smart person like Ultra is, he would consider everything and work his butt off to get it done. So he definitely knew what he was doing.
RE: Questions about the WBO - 3-Dog - Jun. 21, 2013
Ultra diagnosed himself with a multitude of mental disorders and changed his personality accordingly. Poor show of character and I for one am glad he got banned.
We really don't have time for people who develop abrasive personalities and use a self-diagnosis as the basis and justification to do so.
RE: Questions about the WBO - th!nk - Jun. 21, 2013
Didn't realise this was being talked about. I don't really want to air all this publicly but I guess it's better than uninformed gossip, so here's what I have to say:
He was talking out his rear about things because he decided his mental illnesses (a few of which were self-diagnosed, the OCD for example, and the HFA - he just has Aspergers, nothing more, though technically aspergers is now just part of Autism Spectrum Disorder, which includes autism) made him a supercomputer (they don't, that's a big misconception) and made him unbiased (they don't - if anything it makes him a little more prone to confirmation bias) and he was using them as an excuse for behaving poorly and not following site rules, which they just don't excuse - basically a lot of what he said his illnesses did and some of those illnesses themselves was total hogwash, and even if it was all true it still wouldn't excuse his behaviour. He said he could tell the performance of a combination just by looking at it, but it was very clear he couldn't as he was arguing with things we already had solid testing on and the times he was right were always things that were obvious anyway (if he didn't straight up change his position and claim he was right all along).
I don't know why it started, I suspect a lot of it was simmering underneath for a while, but he was already on his last chance at that point (and not for the first time, either). He was suspended from posting - the committee didn't want to have to ban him, rightly so - and told to stop. He continued in private messages. He completely changed overnight and started going on about his illnesses and blaming it on them or whatever, as well as saying he deserved CM/Mod etc and just generally being egotistical.
I don't know how much of it was to do with me blocking him from sending me PM's because I got tired of him saying stuff like he was saying in public in private and generally being rude and disrespectful towards me and my friends, after I'd already blocked him on facebook for the same and asked him to stop via PM (I didn't block him on here straight away because of my responsibility to beywiki, and I figured he wouldn't abuse that - he did). He had already started doing the mental illness stuff in public before I blocked him anyway, it was a big part of why I did that in the first place - the discussion basically consisted of me trying to explain why it didn't excuse his behaviour (at least in my books, anyway), and when he started the supercomputer stuff I also told him that it wasn't true. Obviously, I'm not the best at keeping my cool and I was already very tired of him, but I stand by everything I said in that conversation, don't think I could've done much better given the circumstances. Eventually I got tired of the discussion, told him he had one chance to prove he understood what I was saying, he basically said "it's my illnesses that are doing this and hey how about you re-add me on facebook as I'm going to improve" - basically continuing to do everything I'd asked him to stop, so I blocked him
I gave him the second chance he asked for the next day (after I'd slept) and he simply continued to go on about his mental illnesses, which is exactly what I'd told him to stop, so I re-blocked him. Aside from that, you all saw everything else between me and him after I first blocked him, and you should be able to see that there was a bunch of stuff that I didn't get involved in that were major parts of his initial suspension - I did respond to some of his posts to try to prevent him setting a bad example, misleading others, and generally to try to talk some sense into him, but his suspension came after I stopped responding to him completely IIRC, and the stuff he was then banned for didn't involve me at all.
As Kai-V said, it was a lot more complicated than just being between him and I, ours just went public at times because I got tired of it and blocked him to attempt to make him stop and he continued and I don't have the most patience. There was a lot more than that, but I can only really speak of what I was directly involved in. He messaged a lot of people who have any kind of power on the forums, and has continued to do so.
Now he's making accounts to ban evade etc while messaging mods, as well as being a pain on my blog yesterday (I asked him to go away, he refused, so I blacklisted his IP and deleted the exchange). I really thought he was above this kinda thing but he's changed for the worse, I guess - seems to think he's the suave criminal who taunts the police, almost, but he's just being petulant and irritating. He's only become more condescending since he's been banned, if anything.
Don't get me wrong, it's a real shame to see it happened (especially this ban evasion nonsense) - my responses to him were aimed at making him stop before he got banned, but plastics will be fine - he was only really reliable for prices anyway, and I'll pick up the slack in plastics Q&A, and as for prices, we'll make do, I'll try to pick up on them, the price list is there, and there are other people who know them at least decently. As for beywiki plastics, what we really need is people who can get articles written to beywiki standards, which he couldn't. That's being worked on anyway. I hate to sound dismissive of him, he was still quite knowledgeable, but he was doing much, much more harm than good. The biggest loss is to the UK tourney scene, especially with HMS/Plastics Remembrance day coming up, and my heart goes out to them.
Other than that, there's nothing to really look into, he wasn't hacked or anything, he just lost the plot and is no longer fit to be a member of the community. He's been given plenty of opportunities to explain it but his explanations are always just him doing the same thing that he's been banned for.
I am legitimately upset to see this all came to pass, but it had to happen - the ban is for his sake as well, as he's making a fool of himself publicly. I sincerely hope he learns from it, but he's lost my trust and respect, especially as he's shown to me in the past that he can temporarily improve to get what he wants and then go straight back to doing the wrong thing again. If he stops acting like this and goes back to being relatively normal then I'm sure he'll be allowed back - I certainly have no issue with it as long as it's not just a temporary facade to get what he wants, but it is definitely not something that should happen overnight, especially given his post-ban behaviour.
To Ultra, seeing as I'm sure you'll read this:
Perhaps you should stop creating new accounts, and learn that you have to actually change before you'll be accepted back into the community. All of this misbehaviour really isn't doing you any favours - the issue is with us being unable to trust you, and this is the worst way to go about things in that case.
When you think you've changed enough (and I mean really changed, not "will change" etc), email the V and speak to her about it. That's how it works. Do some testing, take a break from things and try to get your head straight, stop bothering others, and get proper treatment (speaking from experience, one appointment is rarely enough for anything psychological and I don't doubt that you have aspergers, personally, which isn't something there's a drug for - it's going to take time and you need to be patient in general - trust when broken is not easily fixed).
If you actually improve, even I'd be happy to welcome you back, but you have to actually improve, not just say you will - I've seen you change temporarily just to get what you want before - as you said, you're only ever motivated by reward. If you want to help the community, you'll do what I'm suggesting.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Snoop Dog MS - Jun. 22, 2013
I agree with th!nk. Ultra had PMed me right before he got banned about how I should post on the Y!JA topic.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Leone19 - Jun. 22, 2013
I know this probably sounds stupid- but how do I exchange my credits for a face booster?
RE: Questions about the WBO - Dual - Jun. 22, 2013
Just pm one of the admins and tell them what you want.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Snoop Dog MS - Jun. 22, 2013
I don't know but... I think you PM Kai-V or any other moderator to PM them you want to exchange credits for a face booster... I'm just guessing.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Leone19 - Jun. 22, 2013
(Jun. 22, 2013 5:05 PM)Ultramarine Wrote: Just pm one of the admins and tell them what you want.
Thanks, I just pm'd blitz about it'
RE: Questions about the WBO - Cannon - Jun. 22, 2013
@Shining God MS : Moderators don't have the power to distribute Faces, only admins IIRC.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Leone19 - Jun. 22, 2013
(Jun. 22, 2013 5:12 PM)Cannon Wrote: Moderators don't have the power to distribute Faces, only admins IIRC.
Does that mean Blitz can't do it?
Admins are blue, right?
RE: Questions about the WBO - LMAO - Jun. 22, 2013
(Jun. 22, 2013 5:15 PM)Leone19 Wrote:(Jun. 22, 2013 5:12 PM)Cannon Wrote: Moderators don't have the power to distribute Faces, only admins IIRC.
Does that mean Blitz can't do it?
Admins are blue, right?
I'm sure Blitz can do it, and yes, admins are dark blue, and moderators are light blue, and so since Blitz is an admin, he can do it!
RE: Questions about the WBO - Cannon - Jun. 22, 2013
Was talking to Shining God MS, apologies.
Yes Blitz can; he is an administrator.
FYI: Global moderators are light blue, standard moderators (allocated to a certain forum) are plain.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Nemo - Jun. 23, 2013
When will I have access to the forum 'Organisers' Circle' ? I just hosted a tourney in India.
RE: Questions about the WBO - Leone19 - Jun. 23, 2013
Last face question, haha:
How do you know if a face is rare, etc.?
RE: Questions about the WBO - Cannon - Jun. 23, 2013
(Jun. 23, 2013 11:30 AM)Leone19 Wrote: Last face question, haha:
How do you know if a face is rare, etc.?
It tells you in the Face Collection list.
http://worldbeyblade.org/myawards.php
RE: Questions about the WBO - Ocean - Jun. 23, 2013
A real one or a face booster?