(Oct. 05, 2012  1:01 AM)dako Wrote: how are the steelers doing

(Oct. 05, 2012  9:29 PM)Fluke Wrote: I didn't find it all that surprising. The Cardinal's offensive line has been suspect (mostly due to injury).

(Oct. 08, 2012  4:03 PM)Sparta Wrote: Okay, this has been bothering me for quite some time. So, I want some opinions! Everyone list your Top 10 QB's of all time, and let's see how they match up. Here's mine. NOTE: Any quarterback that is still active will NOT be included on this list.

The List (Kinda long) (Click to View)

10. Dan Marino: Quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, he singlehandedly lead the team to numerous playoff appearances (No super bowls unfortunately, and that's why I won't put him higher on this list). He has held countless records for passing, including reaching 100 TD's in the fewest amount of games, reaching 200 for the same thing, most passing yards, and plenty more! He was a star on and off the field, and is surely a gift from the Football Gods to this game.

9. Terry Bradshaw: Quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, it was hard not to be great when your #1 Wideout is Lynn Swan. More than that, he was a genius at football and even called his own plays! He held his fair share of records, and led his team to 4 Super Bowl wins! His throwing arm had its times, and he was albeit a little erratic, but you can't argue with 4 Super Bowl rings and the overall success he had. Terry Bradshaw is my #9.

8. Bart Starr: Quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, you may recognize him as that "other guy who's name sounds like Brett Favre" (Or is that just me?). Playing from the late 50's to the early 70's, he earned 2 Super Bowl MVP's and two rings. He has the second highest playoff passer ratings of any quarterback (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't #1 Aaron Rodgers right now?). He was an outstanding leader, and my #8 for this list.

7. Roger Staubach: Quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. And as much as I hate "America's Team," you can't look past his stats. And although he only played for 3 years, he managed to lead the 'Boys to their first Super Bowl victory. He was an MVP that Super Bowl, and his Comp. % for that year was 68% - an outstanding statistic for that time in Football.

6. Otto Graham: This is getting tiring...anyways! Quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, he played during a time where Football players still wore leather caps - yeah, that old! Unfortunately, no Super Bowls for this guy either, but he was damn good. Leading the Browns to numerous Playoff appearances, and in the AAFC (Before the NFL), he lead his team to Football's first ever undefeated season! If you can play for Cleveland and still pull off an Undefeated Season, you must either be God, or Otto Graham.

5. John Elway: Maybe he should be higher, maybe not. He IS good, though. He played for the Broncos until 1999, and he holds the record for the most victories by a starting quarterback ever. He led the Broncos to 5 Super Bowls, and won only one of them. Still, it's hard to win a Super Bowl when the team you're facing is the Young-led Niners (The score was 55-10, though...) - speaking of which, on to my next QB!

4. Fran Tarkenton: He was a solid quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, but it wasn't until he was traded to the Giants that he really found success - and then was traded back to Minnesota. HA! He played 18 seasons, reaching 3 SB's with the Vikings but losing all of them. He was a good rushing QB and held quite a few records, too. I don't know much about him as far as stats go, so until I go look them up on Wikipedia, this is as much as I have to say on him. Still, I know enough to say he's damn good and deserves this #4 spot.

3. Steve Young: Maybe my Niners bias is getting in the way here. Still, you can't overlook his success. It's hard enough to have to succeed Joe Montana as a Quarterback. It's another thing to lead a team that was dependent on his passing for so many years. Nevertheless, Steve Young pulled it off - and is why I've ranked him so high. He only one a single Super Bowl, and made it to no others, but the way he played the game revolutionized Football. Steve Young was arguably the first - and most successful - rushing QB. He rushed for a postseason total of 594 yards, and had 8 posteason rushing TD's! His passer ratings were outstanding, too: his career rating is a 96.8, the third most of any quarterback. He also revolutionized the idea of "Scrambling" out of the pocket. He was a great leader, and managed the impossible: following Joe Montana

2. Johnny Unitas: I am just such a big fan of this guy, it's hard for me not to at least give him this spot. And for what he did during the time period he played football, even by todays standards it's remarkable. He was the QB for the Baltimore Colts, and did more than just win; he turned the game of Football upside-down. Unitas's passer ratings were off the charts: over 2,000 completions for (I believe) around 5,000 passes! He threw for over 40,000 yards, too! His long time rival, SB III Winner and that-upstart-who-manages-to-beat-this-legend-every-time-QB Joe Namath, would definitely agree with me that he deserves this position. And though Brees broke his record last night, think about football back in the day where Running was the norm. Passing for 46 touchdowns straight?!? It was unheard of. If there is anyone that disagrees with his position on this list (You can say all but him and this next one are debatable), I firmly believe you do not understand the game of Football. He is so deserving of this position, it's a wonder he isn't #1.

1. You all know him. He's the number one on most any list you find - and rightfully so. He led his team, the San Francisco 49ers, to 4 Super Bowl victories, and he's my favorite QB of all time. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the best quarterback ever to play the game: Joe Montana. Joe Cool. Golden Joe. The Golden Great. Comeback Joe. Whatever you call him, he was definitely the best (When you have Jerry Rice, how could you not be?). Winning 4 Super Bowls in his 14 seasons of Football, he did everything from come back for 31 Fourth Quarter wins, to making the staple play of the NFL: The Catch. Even more, he managed to beat his old team under Steve Young in the much-anticipated Niners Vs. Chiefs game (He was traded to the Chiefs for his last few years of his career, and the Niners pulled up his backup, Young). You read that right. He led the KANSAS CITY CHIEFS to beat the NINERS - Jerry Rice and all! If that doesn't hint at how good he was, then I don't know what does. With a career high 118.4 QB Passer-rating, a flawless 4-0 Super Bowl record, and 3,000 completions for 5,000 attempts.
To top it all off, his final record for his NFL Career is 117-47. Case closed.

(Oct. 12, 2012  1:30 AM)drakio Wrote:

(Oct. 08, 2012  4:03 PM)Sparta Wrote: Okay, this has been bothering me for quite some time. So, I want some opinions! Everyone list your Top 10 QB's of all time, and let's see how they match up. Here's mine. NOTE: Any quarterback that is still active will NOT be included on this list.

The List (Kinda long) (Click to View)

10. Dan Marino: Quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, he singlehandedly lead the team to numerous playoff appearances (No super bowls unfortunately, and that's why I won't put him higher on this list). He has held countless records for passing, including reaching 100 TD's in the fewest amount of games, reaching 200 for the same thing, most passing yards, and plenty more! He was a star on and off the field, and is surely a gift from the Football Gods to this game.

9. Terry Bradshaw: Quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, it was hard not to be great when your #1 Wideout is Lynn Swan. More than that, he was a genius at football and even called his own plays! He held his fair share of records, and led his team to 4 Super Bowl wins! His throwing arm had its times, and he was albeit a little erratic, but you can't argue with 4 Super Bowl rings and the overall success he had. Terry Bradshaw is my #9.

8. Bart Starr: Quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, you may recognize him as that "other guy who's name sounds like Brett Favre" (Or is that just me?). Playing from the late 50's to the early 70's, he earned 2 Super Bowl MVP's and two rings. He has the second highest playoff passer ratings of any quarterback (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't #1 Aaron Rodgers right now?). He was an outstanding leader, and my #8 for this list.

7. Roger Staubach: Quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. And as much as I hate "America's Team," you can't look past his stats. And although he only played for 3 years, he managed to lead the 'Boys to their first Super Bowl victory. He was an MVP that Super Bowl, and his Comp. % for that year was 68% - an outstanding statistic for that time in Football.

6. Otto Graham: This is getting tiring...anyways! Quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, he played during a time where Football players still wore leather caps - yeah, that old! Unfortunately, no Super Bowls for this guy either, but he was damn good. Leading the Browns to numerous Playoff appearances, and in the AAFC (Before the NFL), he lead his team to Football's first ever undefeated season! If you can play for Cleveland and still pull off an Undefeated Season, you must either be God, or Otto Graham.

5. John Elway: Maybe he should be higher, maybe not. He IS good, though. He played for the Broncos until 1999, and he holds the record for the most victories by a starting quarterback ever. He led the Broncos to 5 Super Bowls, and won only one of them. Still, it's hard to win a Super Bowl when the team you're facing is the Young-led Niners (The score was 55-10, though...) - speaking of which, on to my next QB!

4. Fran Tarkenton: He was a solid quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, but it wasn't until he was traded to the Giants that he really found success - and then was traded back to Minnesota. HA! He played 18 seasons, reaching 3 SB's with the Vikings but losing all of them. He was a good rushing QB and held quite a few records, too. I don't know much about him as far as stats go, so until I go look them up on Wikipedia, this is as much as I have to say on him. Still, I know enough to say he's damn good and deserves this #4 spot.

3. Steve Young: Maybe my Niners bias is getting in the way here. Still, you can't overlook his success. It's hard enough to have to succeed Joe Montana as a Quarterback. It's another thing to lead a team that was dependent on his passing for so many years. Nevertheless, Steve Young pulled it off - and is why I've ranked him so high. He only one a single Super Bowl, and made it to no others, but the way he played the game revolutionized Football. Steve Young was arguably the first - and most successful - rushing QB. He rushed for a postseason total of 594 yards, and had 8 posteason rushing TD's! His passer ratings were outstanding, too: his career rating is a 96.8, the third most of any quarterback. He also revolutionized the idea of "Scrambling" out of the pocket. He was a great leader, and managed the impossible: following Joe Montana

2. Johnny Unitas: I am just such a big fan of this guy, it's hard for me not to at least give him this spot. And for what he did during the time period he played football, even by todays standards it's remarkable. He was the QB for the Baltimore Colts, and did more than just win; he turned the game of Football upside-down. Unitas's passer ratings were off the charts: over 2,000 completions for (I believe) around 5,000 passes! He threw for over 40,000 yards, too! His long time rival, SB III Winner and that-upstart-who-manages-to-beat-this-legend-every-time-QB Joe Namath, would definitely agree with me that he deserves this position. And though Brees broke his record last night, think about football back in the day where Running was the norm. Passing for 46 touchdowns straight?!? It was unheard of. If there is anyone that disagrees with his position on this list (You can say all but him and this next one are debatable), I firmly believe you do not understand the game of Football. He is so deserving of this position, it's a wonder he isn't #1.

1. You all know him. He's the number one on most any list you find - and rightfully so. He led his team, the San Francisco 49ers, to 4 Super Bowl victories, and he's my favorite QB of all time. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the best quarterback ever to play the game: Joe Montana. Joe Cool. Golden Joe. The Golden Great. Comeback Joe. Whatever you call him, he was definitely the best (When you have Jerry Rice, how could you not be?). Winning 4 Super Bowls in his 14 seasons of Football, he did everything from come back for 31 Fourth Quarter wins, to making the staple play of the NFL: The Catch. Even more, he managed to beat his old team under Steve Young in the much-anticipated Niners Vs. Chiefs game (He was traded to the Chiefs for his last few years of his career, and the Niners pulled up his backup, Young). You read that right. He led the KANSAS CITY CHIEFS to beat the NINERS - Jerry Rice and all! If that doesn't hint at how good he was, then I don't know what does. With a career high 118.4 QB Passer-rating, a flawless 4-0 Super Bowl record, and 3,000 completions for 5,000 attempts.
To top it all off, his final record for his NFL Career is 117-47. Case closed.

I completely agree with your list, I would have chosen the same 10, but I would put joe thiesman in there some where, not sure who I would replace. Hard choice.