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RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - Mr. Memes - Sep. 04, 2024
These testing videos are in response to the recent discussions brought about up by some people if RDF should be legalized under a ranked clause for MFL. While I don't personally understand the mindset of why people feel it should be legalized, I feel doing testing of it would help bring more cohesive results and organized discussion about it rather than doing a cat and mouse argument on why it should/shouldn't be legalized under a ranked clause as shown by WBO Staff member Shindog who has made several testing videos of his own on his YT channel.
All tests were done in one session in the Summit BB-10 Repro stadium.
Test#1: MF-H Gravity Perseus (Defense) 100RDF VS MF-H Spiral Susanow R145RF
Video: https://youtu.be/dQlnKTBl4cA?si=JsWK-yMmpENFuaC_
Battle 1: OS By Gravity
Battle 2: OS By Gravity
Battle 3: OS By Gravity
Battle 4: OS By Spiral
Battle 5: OS By Gravity
Battle 6: KO By Spiral
Battle 7: OS By Gravity
Battle 8: KO By Spiral
Battle 9: KO By Spiral
Battle 10: OS By Gravity
Spiral win rate: 40%
Gravity win rate: 60%
Test #2: MF-H Gravity Perseus (Defense) 100RDF VS MF-Leone 100LRF
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPmXe2tmohg&t=60s
Battle 1: KO By Leone
Battle 2: OS By Gravity
Battle 3: OS By Gravity
Battle 4: KO By Gravity
Battle 5: KO By Leone
Battle 6: KO By Gravity
Battle 7: OS By Gravity
Battle 8: KO By Leone
Battle 9: KO By Leone
Battle 10: OS By Gravity
Leone win rate: 40%
Gravity win rate: 60%
While the results of both tests were the same, I feel it can still skew either way, making it hard for me to determine my take on RDF in MFL as a ranked clause atm.
Some Q&A:
Question: Why did you use Gravity Perseus 100 RDF for your testing?
Answer: I feel low Gravity RDF would be the most common RDF combo to run in MFL if it were to be legalized based on the results of how well low Gravity RB does against LTAC combos.
Question: Will you test the other banned wheels (Hell, Omega, and Hasscythe) against RDF?
Answer: Most likely not really. My main reason is that since Gravity is legal in MFL by default, I don't think testing with the banned wheels would be super relevant in the discussion unless if people were to request testing with them.
Question: Will you test Gravity RDF against same-spin?
Answer: Not really. I feel the common consensus of RDF being legal in MFL is that people will usually choose to run opposite spin gravity to usually stonewall their opponent's attack options which would be super polarizing and hectic especially if people go to events without the dual spin restriction ranked clause on gravity being in place which exacerbates the issue a bit.
My next testing videos will be Gravity RDF against DK and Lightning most likely. I will most likely not do non-attack testing against Gravity RDF unless people request it. I feel that running prominent stamina options such as Meteo EWD/W2D and Flame 230 CS/MB just to beat opposite spin RDF is a bit disingenuous since the point of opposite spin RDF combos is to just wall out attack imo.
Please feel free to request any testing ideas that would be super relevant to the discussion.
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - th!nk - Sep. 04, 2024
Damn an actual testing thread? Love to see it and hope others will also do some good old fashioned testing as well ☺️
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - Mr. Memes - Sep. 05, 2024
Here are 2 more testing videos I have done today. This time testing Meteo RDF and Bakushin RDF.
Test #3: MF-Meteo L-Drago LW105RDF VS MF-Pegasus CH120RF
Video: https://youtu.be/xkj9oHlulbk?si=3I1bO8NF1zJ076_y
Battle 1: KO By Pegasus
Battle 2: KO By Pegasus
Battle 3: KO By Pegasus
Battle 4: KO By Pegasus
Battle 5: OS By Meteo
Battle 6: KO By Pegasus
Battle 7: OS By Meteo
Battle 8: KO By Pegasus
Battle 9: KO By Meteo
Battle 10: KO By Pegasus
Meteo win rate: 30%
Pegasus win rate: 70%
Test#4: MF-Bakushin Leone 90RDF VS MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RF
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjTkMlBDak
Battle 1: Draw
Battle 2:KO By Lightning
Battle 3: OS By Bakushin
Battle 4: OS By Bakushin
Battle 5: KO By Lightning
Battle 6: KO By Lightning
Battle 7: KO By Bakushin
Battle 8: KO By Lightning
Battle 9: OS By Bakushin
Battle 10: OS By Bakushin
Lightning win rate: 44.4%
Bakushin win rate: 55.5%
I can personally say so far that RDF hasn't been overly oppressive outside of low Gravity. I feel low Lightning can mostly win against low Baku regardless of RDF is a factor or not. However, I will save my final thoughts until Friday.
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - th!nk - Sep. 05, 2024
Awesome, thank you for the additional testing. I intend to do some of my own as soon as I am well enough to head to my parents where my Beyblade stuff is. Just nice to see the old 10 rounds and win% when considering stuff.
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - Shindog - Sep. 06, 2024
I saw that Pegasis CH120RF did pretty well against Meteo so I decided try it against your gravity set up. I do think 100 and 105 are much more reasonable heights for RDF.
As always, I do my testing straight through. The videos have no editing, and no production value. Summit stadium. I don’t usually do %, but this is a testing thread with %, so I will give %.
First 10 rounds
MF-H Gravity Perseus 100RDF- 1 KO
MF-H Pegasis CH120RF- 9KO
Pegasis win rate 90%
*this just seemed unlucky for Gravity so I’d did 10 more, except I only did 9 because I can’t count:
Next 9 rounds
MF-H Gravity Perseus 100RDF- 3 KO
MF-H Pegasis CH120RF- 6 KO
Pegasus win rate 66%
Overall Pegasis win rate: 78.9%
Yeah no spin finish in 19 rounds unless I missed one.
I personally cannot get this Gravity set up to OS Flame 230 combos and it’s same spin stamina also isn’t the greatest of course.
Video:
MF-H Gravity Perseus (stamina) 100RDF (in left spin) vs MF-H Pegasis CH120RF
https://youtu.be/1NppIaZavbY
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - Mr. Memes - Sep. 06, 2024
Here are the last 2 testing videos with RDF, this time with mid-height Dark Knight.
Test #5: MSF-H Dark Knight Girago R145 RDF VS Flame Cancer 230CS
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhYmwGA_zMQ
Battle 1: KO By DK
Battle 2: KO By DK
Battle 3: KO By DK
Battle 4: OS By Flame
Battle 5: Burst Finish By DK
Battle 6: KO By DK
Battle 7: KO By DK
Battle 8: KO By Flame
Battle 9: KO By DK
Battle 10: KO By DK
Flame Win Rate: 20%
DK Win Rate: 80%
Test #6: MSF-H Dark Knight Girago R145/H145 RDF VS MF-H Spiral Susanow 85RF (Changed spin tracks on DK due to how easily it got knocked around and it didn't make much of a difference).
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny66oJoeu2E&t=4s
Battle 1: OS By DK
Battle 2: KO By Spiral
Battle 3: KO By Spiral
Battle 4: OS By DK
Battle 5: KO By Spiral
Battle 6: KO By Spiral
Battle 7: KO By Spiral
Battle 8: KO By Spiral
Battle 9: KO By Spiral
Battle 10: KO By Spiral
Spiral Win Rate: 80%
DK Win Rate: 20%.
I should not have changed spin tracks mid-way through the testing, I mostly did it since the usual mentality of using H145 attack or RSF combos is to do slightly better against LTAC combos but I guess I didn't have the luck of the draw ig. I will say DK has probably been the only combo that has honestly caught my interest but like with most low RDF combos except Meteo according to the consensus, it won't really beat Flame 230CS and its overall record against attack has been mixed at best for me personally.
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - Shindog - Sep. 07, 2024
(Sep. 06, 2024 3:36 AM)Shindog Wrote: I saw that Pegasis CH120RF did pretty well against Meteo so I decided try it against your gravity set up. I do think 100 and 105 are much more reasonable heights for RDF.
As always, I do my testing straight through. The videos have no editing, and no production value. Summit stadium. I don’t usually do %, but this is a testing thread with %, so I will give %.
First 10 rounds
MF-H Gravity Perseus 100RDF- 1 KO
MF-H Pegasis CH120RF- 9KO
Pegasis win rate 90%
*this just seemed unlucky for Gravity so I’d did 10 more, except I only did 9 because I can’t count:
Next 9 rounds
MF-H Gravity Perseus 100RDF- 3 KO
MF-H Pegasis CH120RF- 6 KO
Pegasus win rate 66%
Overall Pegasis win rate: 78.9%
Yeah no spin finish in 19 rounds unless I missed one.
I personally cannot get this Gravity set up to OS Flame 230 combos and it’s same spin stamina also isn’t the greatest of course.
Video:
MF-H Gravity Perseus (stamina) 100RDF (in left spin) vs MF-H Pegasis CH120RF
https://youtu.be/1NppIaZavbY
Finishing this off with right spin Gravity:
MF-H Gravity Perseus (stamina) 100RDF (in right spin) vs MF-H Pegasis CH120RF
https://youtu.be/X5lHAHpSu00
Exact same set as the left spin test above
Gravity: 1 KO, 1 OS
Pegasis: 11 KO, 5 OS
Draws: 2
Pegasis win %=80%
Gravity win %=10%
Draws =10%
Bonus video:
(2 player) MF-H Gravity Perseus (stamina) 100RDF (in right spin) vs MF-H Pegasis CH120RF
https://youtu.be/pK21msTNIUU
RE: RDF testing in MFL to see if it should be legalized as a Ranked Clause - Shindog - Sep. 08, 2024
Some additional videos and results:
1) MF-H (Has) Fang Lacerta CH120RDF vs MF-L Meteo L-Drago LW105EWD
https://youtu.be/_kAozFqLRyY
Fang: 9KOs
Meteo: 1KO
Fang win %: 90
(Meteo does win by LAD here, shown at the end)
2)MF-H (Has) Fang Lacerta CH120RDF vs MF-L(Has) Duo B:D and Flame 230CS
https://youtu.be/EjtoKpG1h_0
Video only, no results, Fang won more against both.
3) (2 player) MF-H L-Drago Guardian (heavy plastic frame)S130RDF vs MF-H Screw Uranus DF105R2F
https://youtu.be/Ik91Y4cDeKg
Screw: 8KO
LDG: 2KO
Screw win %: 80%
4) MF-H L-Drago Guardian (heavy plastic frame)S130RDF vs MF-H Screw Susanow CH120RF
https://youtu.be/xpYK1N2eCxo
Screw: 7KO, 2OS
LDG: 1 OS
Screw Win %: 90%
5) MF-H (Has)L-Drago Guardian (heavy plastic frame) S130RDF vs MF-H Jade Cygnus LW105CF
https://youtu.be/QggtS7JarAE
(13 rounds recorded but will only count the 1st 10)
Jade : 6KO, 3OS
LDG: 1KO
Jade win %: 90%
6) (2 player) MF-H L-Drago Guardian (heavy plastic frame)S130RDF vs MF-H Gravity Perseus (sta) CH120MF
https://youtu.be/VwhRrS3YdWY
Gravity: 6OS, 3KO
LDG: 1KO
Gravity win %: 90%