Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Daegor42 - Jun. 12, 2010
I managed to to scrounge up a new DF145, and since school's out, I figured I might as well do some testing on the relatively undocumented Burn and Thermal wheels. Flame is used as a control. As a side note, after the tenth round, the tracks and bottoms are swapped between the wheels as another control measure.
I'm taking a break. Afterwards, I'm going to repeat all this testing with Bull clear wheels on both to truly isolate the metal wheels' performance. Yeah, I'm a little obsessive.
EDIT: The tests were getting quite chaotic, so I organized them a bit.
Burn Pheonix DF145SD vs Flame Cancer DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating launches
Flame Cancer DF145SD gets first launch
1. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
7. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
8. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by stadium out
9. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
12. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by stadium out
13. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Douple spin out
15. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by stadium spin
16. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
17. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
18. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by stadium out
19. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by stadium out
20. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins: 9
Flame Cancer DF145SD wins: 10
Ties: 1
Burn Bull DF145SD vs Flame Bull DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Launches
Burn Bull DF145SD gets first launch
1. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
7. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
8. Double spin out
9. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
12. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
16. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
17. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
18. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
19. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
20. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
Burn Bull DF145SD wins: 14
Flame Bull DF145SD wins: 5
Ties: 1
Burn Bull DF145SD vs Libra DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Launches
Burn Bull DF145SD gets first launch
1. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Libra DF145SD wins by stadium out
4. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
7. Libra DF145SD wins by stadium out
8. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
9. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Double spin out
12. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Libra DF145SD wins by stadium out
16. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
17. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
18. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
19. Double spin out
20. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
Burn Bull DF145SD wins: 12
Libra DF145SD wins: 6
Ties: 2
Burn Bull DF145SD vs Storm Pegasis 100RF
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Burn Bull DF145SD launched first
Storm Pegasis 100RF launched with banking
1. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
2. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
3. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
4. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
5. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
6. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
7. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
8. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
9. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Storm Pegasis 100RF wins by stadium out
Burn Bull DF145SD wins: 1
Storm Pegasis 100RF wins: 9
Ties: 0
Burn Bull DF145SD vs MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Takara Tomy BeyLauncherL + Launcher Grip
145 height and Upper Mode used with MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF
Burn Bull DF145SD launched first
MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF launched with banking
1. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
2. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
3. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by stadium out
4. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
5. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
6. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
7. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
8. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
9. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out
10. MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins by stadium out Burn Bull DF145SD wins:2
MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF wins: 8
Ties: 0
Thermal Pisces DF145SD vs Flame Cancer DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Launches
Thermal Pisces DF145SD gets first launch
1. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Double spin out
5. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
7. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by stadium out
8. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
9. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
12. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by stadium out
14. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Double spin out
16. Double spin out
17. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
18. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by outspin
19. Flame Cancer DF145SD wins by stadium out
20. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by stadium out
Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins: 8
Flame Cancer DF145SD wins: 9
Ties: 3
Thermal Bull DF145SD vs Flame Bull DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Launches
Thermal Bull DF145SD gets first launch
1. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
7. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
8. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
9. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
12. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
16. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by stadium out
17. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
18. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
19. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
20. Flame Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
Thermal Bull DF145SD wins: 7
Flame Bull DF145SD wins: 13
Ties: 0
Thermal Bull DF145SD vs Libra DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Launches
Thermal Bull DF145SD gets first launch
1. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Double spin out
7. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
8. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
9. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
12. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
16. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
17. Libra DF145SD wins by stadium out
18. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
19. Libra DF145SD wins by outspin
20. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin Thermal Bull DF145SD wins: 2
Libra DF145SD wins: 17
Ties: 1
Thermal Pisces DF145SD vs Burn Pheonix DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating launches
Thermal Pisces DF145SD gets first launch
1. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by stadium out
2. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Double spin out
6. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
7. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
8. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
9. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by stadium out
11. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
12. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
16. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
17. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by stadium out
18. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by stadium
19. Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins by outspin
20. Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins by outspin
Thermal Pisces DF145SD wins: 5
Burn Pheonix DF145SD wins: 14
Ties: 1
Thermal Bull DF145SD vs Burn Bull DF145SD
MFB Attack Stadium
Hasbro String Launcher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Launches
Thermal Bull DF145SD gets first launch
1. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
2. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
3. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
4. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
5. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
6. Double spin out
7. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
8. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
9. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
10. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
11. Thermal Bull DF145SD wins by stadium out
12. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
13. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
14. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
15. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
16. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
17. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
18. Double spin out
19. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
20. Burn Bull DF145SD wins by outspin
Thermal Bull DF145SD wins: 3
Burn Bull DF145SD wins: 15
Ties: 2
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Serotonin - Jun. 12, 2010
If you wanted to focus solely on Stamina, would it have been better to ignore Stadium KOs and to replace it with another round?
That is my only criticism of a potentially very useful resource, and I probably speak on behalf of the forum that we really appreciate you sitting through all this tedium!
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Daegor42 - Jun. 12, 2010
I was thinking about removing stadium outs, but I figured it was interesting. I wasn't testing just for stamina, but looking for battle performance as well.
Anyway, break's over. I'll be back in maybe half an hour with more results.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Serotonin - Jun. 12, 2010
Well, I guess it depends on what direction you want to take your tests, and the meaning you want to convey.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Daegor42 - Jun. 12, 2010
Hlaf an hour? I must be crazy.
Anyways, Bull results are up. I'm surprised that the Burn wheel did so well, and shocked that Thermal did so poorly.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - RエスコルピオT125JB - Jun. 12, 2010
Both are stamina blades, so you should do like this
(Aug. 02, 2009 10:43 AM)Hiro Ayami Wrote: Shooting methods is another subject for this discussion and I believe it heavily affects accuracy in the long run. It can often generate or eliminate questions of bias in testing environment and skewer accuracy overall.
Alternating Launching or as I like to call it “Fire one, Fire two†is a method where one person starts each round alternating launching the testing combinations first and second.
EX:
Round 1: Tester launches MF Libra C145WB first then launches Quetz 90RF as quickly as possible after.
Round 2: Tester launches Quetz 90RF first then launches MF Libra C145WB as quickly as possible after.
Round 3: Tester launches MF Libra C145WB first then launches Quetz 90RF as quickly as possible after.
Round 4: etc, etc.
This particular method is generally used when one has no one else to test with; it forgoes typical battle conditions by having one beyblade launched first then another. Since in an actual battle, which the test is supposed to be preparing for, both beyblades are launched at once, this method is definitely not as accurate as it could be. Several factors weigh against it such as first beyblade positioning, launching from the same side of the dish, and first encounters.
Discuss!
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Daegor42 - Jun. 12, 2010
I actually did that. I was just noting which one was launched first in the first round.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 12, 2010
Could you possible test combos with the thermal and Burn wheels against top tier combos to see how they perform cause no has done that yet. Also it's very interesting to see how changing the clear wheel changes the match results completly for some wheels like bull. Also I guess this provides some evidence that Burn is better the Thermal for stamina and that we need to do much more testing to find whether Burn is a suitable candidate for a top tier stamina wheel.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Jerf - Jun. 16, 2010
I did a Burn Virgo DF145SD solo spin time and it was pretty much 6 minutes. 5'55 to be exact.
I'd be guessing i don't have to do battle tests with all those insane information by Daegor42 up there
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 16, 2010
It would be useful if you could do battles against the other types if you wouldn't mind.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Daegor42 - Jun. 16, 2010
If I get some free time, I'll try to do some more battle tests. Anything in particular you wish to see?
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 16, 2010
Burn Bull DF145WD/SD against Storm Pegasus 100RF and MF Lightning L drago CH120RF
Thermal Bull DF145WD/SD against Storm Pegasus 100RF and MF Lightning L drago CH120RF
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - TheLVJ - Jun. 17, 2010
Testing a stamina bey against an attack type tells you what, exactly? NOTHING...
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 17, 2010
Obviously testing stamina types against attack types cause they never battle especially not in tournaments.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Corey - Jun. 17, 2010
What? Even mediocre attack combos beat most stamina types. Stamina blade testing is done best against known stamina combos to judge its performance..
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 17, 2010
If you think stamina types aren't supposed to battle attack types then you obviously don't have much understanding of this game In a proper battle if someone is using a stamina combo then the other one will use an attack combo to try and win. SO I want to see how these combos will hold up against a decent attack combo. If you hadn't noticed when someone fully tests a combo they to tests against each type. Why do you all find it so mind boggling that I want to test it against all the types when that is the way it is normally done?
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Pimpju - Jun. 17, 2010
Just saying, when you're choosing combos you're not allowed to look at your opponent's choosing as well.
It's also natural to expect a pretty high losing rate against attack types.
Having said that, I too would like to see some testing.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Corey - Jun. 17, 2010
Because it's utterly pointless to test it against an attack combo. A stamina combination isn't supposed to withhold attacks from attack types -- that's what defense types are for. Stamina blades are supposed to outspin their opponents, not necessarily defend from an attacking RF-based blade.
How it performs against an attack type has no bearing on it's effectiveness as a stamina blade.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Clerish - Jun. 17, 2010
(Jun. 16, 2010 8:40 PM)Daegor42 Wrote: If I get some free time, I'll try to do some more battle tests. Anything in particular you wish to see?
How about Burn vs Earth (first mold)?
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 17, 2010
Yes it does because despite what you think blades are supposed to battle all types. Also Attack types make battles interesting. What you said there is all slightly true but mostly rubbish.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - ControL_s SouL_ - Jun. 17, 2010
corey the whole point of beyblade is to test your combo skills and blading skills and the only way to do that is by testing to see if you achieved your goal that's why we enter tournaments to test our skill and if you do not understand that then you do not understand beyblade ya got it memorized
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 17, 2010
Thank you! I'm right! Anyway can we get back on topic now.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Corey - Jun. 17, 2010
(Jun. 17, 2010 1:07 PM)aron101 Wrote: corey the whole point of beyblade is to test your combo skills and blading skills and the only way to do that is by testing to see if you achieved your goal that's why we enter tournaments to test our skill and if you do not understand that then you do not understand beyblade ya got it memorized
Yes, I get that.
The point is, all stamina types are going to perform pretty much identically against top tier attack types. Testing a stamina type against an attack type has no bearing on how good of a stamina blade it is.
How are you guys missing this.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Ultra - Jun. 17, 2010
We're missing that because it's a complete load of rubbish. Flame being a lightish wheel isn't gonna perform as well as Earth which is heavier. Also combo's perform differently against different wheels eg Lightning is gonna perform diffferently against a stamina type than storm. Can we just stop cause this is really tedious. What do you care if I find testing a stamina combo against an attack combo useful and you don't.
RE: Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing - Mc Frown - Jun. 17, 2010
Try testing stamina vs. stamina, defense, or some libra variant.
Attack types should easily kick any stamina types out of the ring (unless you suck at launching), so it won't really give you any good data just 9:1, 8:2, 10:0 etc.
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