(Mar. 19, 2022  4:48 PM)Dark red Wrote: This is what I think the Burst Ranking System is now after DB (manga):

1. Bell Daikokuten
2. Valt Aoi
3. Rashad Goodman
4. Shu Kurenai
5. Lean Walhalla
6. Aiga Akaba
7. Free de la Hoya
8. Lui Shirasagijo
9. Drum Koryu
10. Phi
11. Gwyn Ronny
12. Delta Akane
13. Kaiza Xhakuenji
14. Sisco Karlisle
15. Zenkuro Kurogane
16. Wakiya Komurasaki
17. Daina Kurogami
18. Rantaro Kiyama
19. Hyuga Asahi
20. Hikaru Asahi

(Apr. 06, 2022  4:43 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Apr. 06, 2022  3:02 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: I'm so lost. But i think i got a better understanding now. So Rashad being mentioned as the "strongest" in the meeting was said by VA's. Since it was VA's who mentioned it that means it's referring to the anime and not the manga since the manga doesn't use VA's. So it was basically a Lane situation, where in the anime/manga Rashad was the "Strongest" but only for the time being. So that means Valt is the strongest blader in both the anime and manga then. please correct me if i got any info wrong

That's even if you take the word of VA's as canonical fact (it wasn't even Rashad or Valt's VA). They have no hand in the creation of the characters or the story and it isn't an official statement like a bio for example. Valt's the Strongest Blader in the World when he Savor and Ultimate.

(Apr. 06, 2022  7:32 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: Theirs one thing i want to clarify Rashad was #1 in the manga at one point but he Seems to have gain via points but he actually never defeated Valt for that spot infact he didnt defeat any of the top 5, but at that time Rashad strenght was above Valt but after while his strenght is around the top 5 which means from shu to lui or free plus Valt of course can beat him. But his the strongest of the new bladers. Him and Bell are the only ones who's strenght rivals the top 5. You Could say at the end Rashad and Bell power was stabilize to Where it suppossed to be. Just like Lane during Sparking his final strenght is being 3rd strongest

(Apr. 06, 2022  11:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: So just asking, still a little out the loop and a bit confused sorry. But in the manga how was Rashad stronger than Valt? Like you said Rashad never defeated any of the top 5 and on top of that he lost to Valt in the title match Which is how Valt reclaimed the Number 1 rank. So when was rashad stronger than Valt? And 2. So basically at the end of the manga Valt is the Strongest blader overall while Rashad the strongest new gen. Why wouldnt bell be the strongest new gen?

(Apr. 07, 2022  12:20 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Apr. 06, 2022  11:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: So just asking, still a little out the loop and a bit confused sorry. But in the manga how was Rashad stronger than Valt? Like you said Rashad never defeated any of the top 5 and on top of that he lost to Valt in the title match Which is how Valt reclaimed the Number 1 rank. So when was rashad stronger than Valt? And 2. So basically at the end of the manga Valt is the Strongest blader overall while Rashad the strongest new gen. Why wouldnt bell be the strongest new gen?

If we are trying to "PoWEr ScaLE" then bell should be the strongest. Ususally the manga is strctured like an RPG game sort of style where the last boss is the strongest but this time is a bit different, Bell stated that the perfect gear is his "last resort" thing or thrump card and even with that rashad still can equally fight against him breaking 3 out of 4 gears wheres with valt, bell didn't even use the perfect gear and morita also didnt really focus on the battle with valt and bell but more so with the epilogue. So by that it should be bell>rashad>valt

(Apr. 06, 2022  11:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Apr. 06, 2022  7:32 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: Theirs one thing i want to clarify Rashad was #1 in the manga at one point but he Seems to have gain via points but he actually never defeated Valt for that spot infact he didnt defeat any of the top 5, but at that time Rashad strenght was above Valt but after while his strenght is around the top 5 which means from shu to lui or free plus Valt of course can beat him. But his the strongest of the new bladers. Him and Bell are the only ones who's strenght rivals the top 5. You Could say at the end Rashad and Bell power was stabilize to Where it suppossed to be. Just like Lane during Sparking his final strenght is being 3rd strongest

So just asking, still a little out the loop and a bit confused sorry. But in the manga how was Rashad stronger than Valt? Like you said Rashad never defeated any of the top 5 and on top of that he lost to Valt in the title match Which is how Valt reclaimed the Number 1 rank. So when was rashad stronger than Valt? And 2. So basically at the end of the manga Valt is the Strongest blader overall while Rashad the strongest new gen. Why wouldnt bell be the strongest new gen?

(Apr. 07, 2022  1:59 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Apr. 06, 2022  11:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: So just asking, still a little out the loop and a bit confused sorry. But in the manga how was Rashad stronger than Valt? Like you said Rashad never defeated any of the top 5 and on top of that he lost to Valt in the title match Which is how Valt reclaimed the Number 1 rank. So when was rashad stronger than Valt? And 2. So basically at the end of the manga Valt is the Strongest blader overall while Rashad the strongest new gen. Why wouldnt bell be the strongest new gen?

Rashad was claimed to stronger cause of his accomplishment plus Valt said it too  that Rashad has reach his strenght at the beginning its similar to how Lane was not only was at #2 but #1 strenght he rival both of them and could beat them. If any one no who's stronger at that time it would be Valt, like i said Valt simple caught up to him at the end. As for why Bell isnt consider to be the strongest of his gen its also simple cell never battle in Official matches while Rashad has on top of that he conquered the ones that was suppossed to be able to beat him officially. Bell only enter the discusion after he started to have Official matches so makes sense why Bell wasnt consider at first. After all Bell only has 2 Official match which are against Rashad and Valt.  I also wont to respond to another quote of you about who's stronger by the End of the manga it is Valt cause he did lose his World title and presumebly his #1 status at the end of the manga it was an Official match for the World Title apprently and as for Valt not just mastering valkyrie its false before his match with Bell,  Valt was training to master Ultimate which he did variable awakening was Valt purpose doing his battle with Bell. He had complety mastery even before that match and control over ultimate he lost fair an square to Bell. At the end Bell ended being the strongest their no if or what cause the manga ended their no re-do for the final match thats how the story ended. The Aiga example isnt also a good one cause cho z wasnt the end of the story if burst had stop at cho z Aiga would've end up as the strongest cause thats how the story ends but it didnt end so he can be surpassed again

(Apr. 07, 2022  12:31 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Well if thats the case then the same can be said with Valt and Valkyrie. Valt just got ultimate and Just awakened it so he wouldn't have complete mastery over its new power as it’s been the same with pretty much every Valkyrie. Like Valt might have some experience due to past Valkyries but that doesnt mean hes mastered it, 2 Valt and Bell would be more even with Valt probably edging out a bit more. And 3 going off Valt’s character and win record, name every time Valt has lost but is ultimately still the strongest blader. Just because bell defeated Valt once doesnt make him the stronger blader. Maybe during the moment but not overall. A great example being Aiga. And lastLy upgrades dont make everything which is shown by rashad and lui annihilating Bell multiple times and flat out breaking them, Valt even knows what each upgrade is capable of due to Battling the beys that the upgrades are based off of. I believe it all depends on circumstances plus they can still rival and beat the top 5.

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:32 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  12:31 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Well if thats the case then the same can be said with Valt and Valkyrie. Valt just got ultimate and Just awakened it so he wouldn't have complete mastery over its new power as it’s been the same with pretty much every Valkyrie. Like Valt might have some experience due to past Valkyries but that doesnt mean hes mastered it, 2 Valt and Bell would be more even with Valt probably edging out a bit more. And 3 going off Valt’s character and win record, name every time Valt has lost but is ultimately still the strongest blader. Just because bell defeated Valt once doesnt make him the stronger blader. Maybe during the moment but not overall. A great example being Aiga. And lastLy upgrades dont make everything which is shown by rashad and lui annihilating Bell multiple times and flat out breaking them, Valt even knows what each upgrade is capable of due to Battling the beys that the upgrades are based off of. I believe it all depends on circumstances plus they can still rival and beat the top 5.

Why does people alwys bring this up like why? This is out of the question valt like any MC on a tight spot can master an awakening is a single battle.. even if you dont like that valt theres no evidance of valt being stronger

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:18 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  1:59 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Rashad was claimed to stronger cause of his accomplishment plus Valt said it too  that Rashad has reach his strenght at the beginning its similar to how Lane was not only was at #2 but #1 strenght he rival both of them and could beat them. If any one no who's stronger at that time it would be Valt, like i said Valt simple caught up to him at the end. As for why Bell isnt consider to be the strongest of his gen its also simple cell never battle in Official matches while Rashad has on top of that he conquered the ones that was suppossed to be able to beat him officially. Bell only enter the discusion after he started to have Official matches so makes sense why Bell wasnt consider at first. After all Bell only has 2 Official match which are against Rashad and Valt.  I also wont to respond to another quote of you about who's stronger by the End of the manga it is Valt cause he did lose his World title and presumebly his #1 status at the end of the manga it was an Official match for the World Title apprently and as for Valt not just mastering valkyrie its false before his match with Bell,  Valt was training to master Ultimate which he did variable awakening was Valt purpose doing his battle with Bell. He had complety mastery even before that match and control over ultimate he lost fair an square to Bell. At the end Bell ended being the strongest their no if or what cause the manga ended their no re-do for the final match thats how the story ended. The Aiga example isnt also a good one cause cho z wasnt the end of the story if burst had stop at cho z Aiga would've end up as the strongest cause thats how the story ends but it didnt end so he can be surpassed again

 I meant in terms of actual strength between Rashad and Bell. Not status of what the world thinks. 2. Aiga is a ok example again name how many antagonist and protagonist have defeated Valt just for him to come back out on top. If They wanted another new main character to rise they wouldn’t constantly have Valt be the top blader in every season. Valt isnt the main character yet always comes out on top compared to other mains who are always pushed back after no longer being the main. 3. Yes Valt did master the base of Ultimate but did he master the awakening? No. Every time Valt has awakened Valkyrie he never had full control/mastery off the bat. Victory, brave, savior all examples of Valkyrie awakenings that he mastered over time. Again just going based off his actual character and his own wins to losses. And again just because bell beat Valt doesn’t make him the overall strongest. If thats the case that would be every blader then. Again my opinion thats all.

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:44 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:18 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:  I meant in terms of actual strength between Rashad and Bell. Not status of what the world thinks. 2. Aiga is a ok example again name how many antagonist and protagonist have defeated Valt just for him to come back out on top. If They wanted another new main character to rise they wouldn’t constantly have Valt be the top blader in every season. Valt isnt the main character yet always comes out on top compared to other mains who are always pushed back after no longer being the main. 3. Yes Valt did master the base of Ultimate but did he master the awakening? No. Every time Valt has awakened Valkyrie he never had full control/mastery off the bat. Victory, brave, savior all examples of Valkyrie awakenings that he mastered over time. Again just going based off his actual character and his own wins to losses. And again just because bell beat Valt doesn’t make him the overall strongest. If thats the case that would be every blader then. Again my opinion thats all.

Like i said he did with ultmate an his battle not only he master the base but also the awakening fully this was not a brave, Victory or Savior situation. Like i said Valt had no disaventage he had completely matar both base and awakening he had everything aiganst Bell. The status reflects Rashad strenght That's why I point it out Bell only became the strongest of the new gen after beating Rashad, because Bell proves he was stronger. Rashad title of strongest new gen is before Bell beats him.  Like i said again valt lost yo Bell cause Bell was stronger that was the point of the battle it was to prove Bell has indeed top the best of the best at his pinacle. Theirs no brave or previous master both bey and awakening he did it completely an that match. Valt being stronger overall is fan thing which story says otherwise the author says otherwise. Thats like debating who's stronger between ryuga and Gingka. The story end with Valt being dethrone by the End of burst their no story after that its the end unlike the previous season where Valt comes back an his at the top again thats not the case this time cause theirs no rerurning at the top Valt cant challenge Bell anymore cause its over. Anything after that is simple fans debating on something thats settle. At the end its bell>Valt>Rashad its simple. If you want to go with the anime its a diferent story ending but the manga made it clear and seal it

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:51 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:44 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Like i said he did with ultmate an his battle not only he master the base but also the awakening fully this was not a brave, Victory or Savior situation. Like i said Valt had no disaventage he had completely matar both base and awakening he had everything aiganst Bell. The status reflects Rashad strenght That's why I point it out Bell only became the strongest of the new gen after beating Rashad, because Bell proves he was stronger. Rashad title of strongest new gen is before Bell beats him.  Like i said again valt lost yo Bell cause Bell was stronger that was the point of the battle it was to prove Bell has indeed top the best of the best at his pinacle. Theirs no brave or previous master both bey and awakening he did it completely an that match. Valt being stronger overall is fan thing which story says otherwise the author says otherwise. Thats like debating who's stronger between ryuga and Gingka. The story end with Valt being dethrone by the End of burst their no story after that its the end unlike the previous season where Valt comes back an his at the top again thats not the case this time cause theirs no rerurning at the top Valt cant challenge Bell anymore cause its over. Anything after that is simple fans debating on something thats settle. At the end its bell>Valt>Rashad its simple. If you want to go with the anime its a diferent story ending but the manga made it clear and seal it

Again i really dont care if bell is the strongest no issue with it. Once again my opinion on things ive read. Plus what you said kinda made no sense. Valt had to to master every Valkyrie but this is the one he doesnt have to even though its been consistent with every valkyrie. But again if bell is then cool. If you want to hate me for my opinion then ok. Like i said way earlier on i take both sides.

(Apr. 07, 2022  3:03 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:51 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Again i really dont care if bell is the strongest no issue with it. Once again my opinion on things ive read. Plus what you said kinda made no sense. Valt had to to master every Valkyrie but this is the one he doesnt have to even though its been consistent with every valkyrie. But again if bell is then cool. If you want to hate me for my opinion then ok. Like i said way earlier on i take both sides.

Hate why would i hate you for that their no problem between us were just having a conversation i got nothing against you . You ask a question i just respond you apply valt always need to master valkyrie and I told you it doesnt apply to ultimate this time cause unlike the previous he did it faster this time Nor farther mastery was requiered this time. Its not complicated when its says so. Im not debating with my personal opinion my respons is what the manga answer and give. My personal has no weight what the author went for. Example i don't think Bell is stronger than Rashad infact bell isnt even  in my top 5 list, but thats personal the story said otherwise i cant change that. Its the same for you valt is better but thats not what the story says its personal opinions.

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:42 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Lost against lane, couldn't consistently use the cho z awakening, always had trouble using victory after awakend, was even training with shu to awaken valkyrie and master the awakening creating moves based around its new power, and on the verge of beating rashad and creating stronger moves based around awakened savior. Stuff ya know he didnt master off the bat. But some being plot based so yea. But same can be said with bell. He got washed against lui because he didnt know what to do. Again idc if bell is the strongest if he is then thats good i have NOTHING against it. Im just going off things i watched and read and is STRICTLY my opinion. Plus nothing is confirmed so everything is LEFT to interpretation as well for both sides

(Apr. 07, 2022  8:16 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:42 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Lost against lane, couldn't consistently use the cho z awakening, always had trouble using victory after awakend, was even training with shu to awaken valkyrie and master the awakening creating moves based around its new power, and on the verge of beating rashad and creating stronger moves based around awakened savior. Stuff ya know he didnt master off the bat. But some being plot based so yea. But same can be said with bell. He got washed against lui because he didnt know what to do. Again idc if bell is the strongest if he is then thats good i have NOTHING against it. Im just going off things i watched and read and is STRICTLY my opinion. Plus nothing is confirmed so everything is LEFT to interpretation as well for both sides

V2 awakening was in Valt early days obviously comparing it to the now professional valt would't be a good comparison also im takling about the manga here not anime. And how is losing to lean mean that he didnt master Ev' awakening? Like he put up a great fight to him he didn't even have any problem using it the same can be said with valt awakening Ev on his battle with aiga.

"Im just going off things i watched and read and is STRICTLY my opinion. Plus nothing is confirmed so everything is LEFT to interpretation as well for both sides"

If you really think valt is the best balder then why ask in the first place. sorry if this is a bit harsh but thats sounds more like you're defending X character other than taking a points from others to examine.

(Apr. 07, 2022  3:03 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Apr. 07, 2022  2:51 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Again i really dont care if bell is the strongest no issue with it. Once again my opinion on things ive read. Plus what you said kinda made no sense. Valt had to to master every Valkyrie but this is the one he doesnt have to even though its been consistent with every valkyrie. But again if bell is then cool. If you want to hate me for my opinion then ok. Like i said way earlier on i take both sides.

Hate why would i hate you for that their no problem between us were just having a conversation i got nothing against you . You ask a question i just respond you apply valt always need to master valkyrie and I told you it doesnt apply to ultimate this time cause unlike the previous he did it faster this time Nor farther mastery was requiered this time. Its not complicated when its says so. Im not debating with my personal opinion my respons is what the manga answer and give. My personal has no weight what the author went for. Example i don't think Bell is stronger than Rashad infact bell isnt even  in my top 5 list, but thats personal the story said otherwise i cant change that. Its the same for you valt is better but thats not what the story says its personal opinions.

(Apr. 09, 2022  6:46 PM)KIO Wrote: I finally got around to reading the DB manga, and it truly is superior to the anime. The character development, dialogue, themes, pacing, all just work much better in the manga. The manga does not have the same story length as the anime but it is not to its detriment - Morita paces the story out well. Unlike the anime there is no filler arc that throws off the pacing, and it's short and to the point.

Manga Bell and Rashad are much more defined as their "Demon King" and "Supreme King" roles and Bell has a fantastic character arc where he embraces his "villain" persona and learns to not give up even in the face of the entire Beyblade World being his opposition. Rashad is a threatening force from his introduction and feels much more like Bell's enemy than in the anime, where they never really feel more than just unfriendly at most rather than antagonistic. Basara gets a way more defined role and his own character arc and connects Bell and Rashad in a way that the anime fails to do. Character decisions feel more individually motivated rather than other characters influencing decisions (ex. manga Basara and manga Rashad both choose to replace their Beys on their own, and for their own reasons, rather than being told to. They come to the decision on their own).

The dialogue is a lot more well written, and the characters have actual personalities instead of cheesy cliche Beyblade lines. The absence of Ilya and Phenomeno wasn't really an issue because Ilya serves as part of anime Rashad's development into the Supreme King persona - in the manga he is already established as such, so Ilya only appears in his backstory, which is fine. Phenomeno felt tacked onto the anime and served to make Supreme King Rashad look "bad", but Morita does so without needing an additional character and a filler story arc.

(Apr. 09, 2022  6:47 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I'm curious where did you read the Manga? Did you buy it or something or is there an Online Website to read the Manga.

(Apr. 09, 2022  7:59 PM)KIO Wrote:

(Apr. 09, 2022  6:47 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I'm curious where did you read the Manga? Did you buy it or something or is there an Online Website to read the Manga.

I read it in Japanese through the publisher.

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As a side note, in regards to if Bell is the title "Champion" or "No.1 Blader" in the manga ending, it is factual that Bell defeats Valt, but it is not specified if this is a title match or not, and I don't think Morita intended it to be something like that. The final battle is to symbolize the "new generation" (Bell) defeating the "old guard" (Valt, the first protagonist), and it is built up through several pages displaying previous characters.

If we are discussing power-wise, I would still argue that 1 loss does not invalidate Valt's spot as the strongest Blader, as consistency in wins is required - both Valt and Rashad in the manga display overwhelming strength and Bell is definitely the underdog in the story.

(Apr. 09, 2022  9:05 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: I think it was a title match. Since when the announcer was introducing both bladers i believe he said “a title match that attracts world wide attention” or “a title match that the world is paying attention to” and “or will bell….. become the champion of the new generation” i could be wrong but thats what i got from it when reading.

(Apr. 09, 2022  9:33 PM)KIO Wrote:

(Apr. 09, 2022  9:05 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: I think it was a title match. Since when the announcer was introducing both bladers i believe he said “a title match that attracts world wide attention” or “a title match that the world is paying attention to” and “or will bell….. become the champion of the new generation” i could be wrong but thats what i got from it when reading.

Oh, indeed you are correct. Looks like I missed that part entirely - the announcer does in fact state it's a title match.