(Mar. 10, 2022  3:05 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Im pretty sure its because Valt was the number 1 ranked legend, in the anime he didnt have the champion title yet he was called "the legend of legends" because he was the number 1 ranked while aiga was the champion. the S and A rankings are even mentioned in the anime as well When Rajiro beat Rantaro and when They were talking about how "the legends festival was a tournament that only S ranked bladers could enter" i could be wrong about both the quotes and the rank but im pretty sure its because valt the number 1 ranked legend also like Admiral said before Valt was only called the legend of legends in DB after he beat rashad meaning he most likely or definitely reclaimed the number 1 rank because "the legend of legend" means the top legend or the highest ranking Like back in sparking when he was the number 1 ranked and had the title
Edit: if im wrong then im wrong not much i can say. im only going off the evidence i have

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:35 AM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:28 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Here's a screenshot. 

"It's a Launch so Powerful sparks fly out of it itself"

"Lightning Launch?!"

Why are they using Eng Dub Names? Is this an English Version of the Manga or something? I didn't know that exsisted.

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:28 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  2:20 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: Could you tell which chapter this was from i don't remember seeing any line in Sparking manga about this.

Here's a screenshot.

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:35 AM)UnseenBurst Wrote: "It's a Launch so Powerful sparks fly out of it itself"

"Lightning Launch?!"

Why are they using Eng Dub Names? Is this an English Version of the Manga or something? I didn't know that exsisted.

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:38 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:05 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Im pretty sure its because Valt was the number 1 ranked legend, in the anime he didnt have the champion title yet he was called "the legend of legends" because he was the number 1 ranked while aiga was the champion. the S and A rankings are even mentioned in the anime as well When Rajiro beat Rantaro and when They were talking about how "the legends festival was a tournament that only S ranked bladers could enter" i could be wrong about both the quotes and the rank but im pretty sure its because valt the number 1 ranked legend also like Admiral said before Valt was only called the legend of legends in DB after he beat rashad meaning he most likely or definitely reclaimed the number 1 rank because "the legend of legend" means the top legend or the highest ranking Like back in sparking when he was the number 1 ranked and had the title
Edit: if im wrong then im wrong not much i can say. im only going off the evidence i have

Manga and anime are a whole different story both of them are not to "interchangeable" if that were the case then ig you would count rashad vs valt in the anime where rashad beat valt 2-0 in a official match making thus rashad the no 1 if we apply the manga logic also if apply it on Sparking valt wouldve long gone have hthe legend of legend title since lean beat him.

"valt the number 1 ranked legend also like Admiral said before Valt was only called the legend of legends in DB after he beat rashad meaning he most likely or definitely reclaimed the number 1 rank because "the legend of legend" means the top legend or the highest ranking Like back in sparking when he was the number 1 ranked and had the title"
Back in sparking he was both the Champion and No.1 afterwards in DB he lost both of that when valt battle Rashad it was impliyed that valt came back for his throne in the champion spot then after he gets it he got reffered agin as the legend of legend so legend of legend imo (if theres no statement about it being the requirement as the top rank manga wise) is the title for the strongest blader

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:48 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: And the champion title is not tied to the number 1 rank anymore which is why bell/aiga/valt can be champion while someone else is the number 1. The same thing that the anime and manga both show sparking anime with aiga and db manga with Valt. The title legend of legends even means the Top legend or highest ranking (in this case being both because being the top legend means highest ranking)

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:55 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:48 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: And the champion title is not tied to the number 1 rank anymore which is why bell/aiga/valt can be champion while someone else is the number 1. The same thing that the anime and manga both show sparking anime with aiga and db manga with Valt. The title legend of legends even means the Top legend or highest ranking (in this case being both because being the top legend means highest ranking)

Please read through my previous post and oh for this last one i think bell might be both the Champion and no 1 considering bell beat valt on a 1v1 at the end plus if valt regains he's title and rank by defeating the current one i dont see why bell couldn't he pretty much has defeated the all of top 5 rank bladers and it would be the most sense for him to be one

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:02 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I dont really know about that one (Someone correct me if wrong) but from what i was told it was strictly a champion match meaning they were battling for the title and since the title and rank are no longer connected bell would only gain the title not the ranking since again they are no longer connected Examples: sparking anime and DB manga. plus those werent official matches every one he fought was unofficial (Idk i could be wrong) Plus Valt was battling to protect the title and in the process regained the 1 rank by defeating rashad who he was only 1 rank behind.

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:07 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:02 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I dont really know about that one (Someone correct me if wrong) but from what i was told it was strictly a champion match meaning they were battling for the title and since the title and rank are no longer connected bell would only gain the title not the ranking since again they are no longer connected Examples: sparking anime and DB manga. plus those werent official matches every one he fought was unofficial (Idk i could be wrong) Plus Valt was battling to protect the title and in the process regained the 1 rank by defeating rashad who he was only 1 rank behind.

In manga even lean that beat shu on a official match instantly gets the rank 2 so i don't see why bell the one that has beat rashad, shu, Lui, free and Valt doesnt get the no.1 rank it would be dumb plus if valt gets the no.1 rank by beating rashad i dont see why bell wouldnt

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:07 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:02 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I dont really know about that one (Someone correct me if wrong) but from what i was told it was strictly a champion match meaning they were battling for the title and since the title and rank are no longer connected bell would only gain the title not the ranking since again they are no longer connected Examples: sparking anime and DB manga. plus those werent official matches every one he fought was unofficial (Idk i could be wrong) Plus Valt was battling to protect the title and in the process regained the 1 rank by defeating rashad who he was only 1 rank behind.

In manga even lean that beat shu on a official match instantly gets the rank 2 so i don't see why bell the one that has beat rashad, shu, Lui, free and Valt doesnt get the no.1 rank it would be dumb plus if valt gets the no.1 rank by beating rashad i dont see why bell wouldnt

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:19 AM)originalzankye Wrote: This was something I talked to KIO about it is supposed to be a title champion match, but even after at the end when Bell won they don't really say anything I feel like the context of pages just got cut out? The thing I wish the manga was more clear on same with the anime is how the ranking system works and champions. 

I think Bell "should" be number 1 in the world or something? again it is not very clear so I don't know

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:40 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I think we should both stop here honestly. we dont have any reason to go back and forth and we both have our own opinions and evidence that gives us different perspectives on this. This doesnt need to be its whole big thing.

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:28 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  2:20 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: Could you tell which chapter this was from i don't remember seeing any line in Sparking manga about this.

Here's a screenshot. 

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:07 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:02 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I dont really know about that one (Someone correct me if wrong) but from what i was told it was strictly a champion match meaning they were battling for the title and since the title and rank are no longer connected bell would only gain the title not the ranking since again they are no longer connected Examples: sparking anime and DB manga. plus those werent official matches every one he fought was unofficial (Idk i could be wrong) Plus Valt was battling to protect the title and in the process regained the 1 rank by defeating rashad who he was only 1 rank behind.

In manga even lean that beat shu on a official match instantly gets the rank 2 so i don't see why bell the one that has beat rashad, shu, Lui, free and Valt doesnt get the no.1 rank it would be dumb plus if valt gets the no.1 rank by beating rashad i dont see why bell wouldnt

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  4:07 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: In manga even lean that beat shu on a official match instantly gets the rank 2 so i don't see why bell the one that has beat rashad, shu, Lui, free and Valt doesnt get the no.1 rank it would be dumb plus if valt gets the no.1 rank by beating rashad i dont see why bell wouldnt

Ik i said i was done but i was thinking about this and i think the reason would be all of those were different matches? For example hyuga defeated lane but didnt rank up to S2, Lane also defeated free and lui but didnt rank up to S4 or S5 reason being those were normal matches and the reason why lane ranked up so high after he beat Shu was because it was most likely a rank up match Which was established earlier in sparking which is how Hyuga, hikaru, and lane all hoped in the rankings so fast with lane becoming A1 Same way how hikaru became a legend when beating fubuki.
Also look at Valt, defeated 2 of the spin emperors and not being one himself same with aiga and drum defeating their respectful groups as well and even though bell defeated free lui and shu he also lost to them(besides shu) also losing to rashad twice so if those were official matches those losses would off set his wins and ranking and if those were unofficial matches then bell wouldn’t rank up at all and the rankings would be the same. Plus after Bell beats those bladers its never hinted at him ranking up either.The reason why it would make sense with valt is because he’s one rank behind Rashad close in terms of wins and points so one win against him should be enough to get  Valt to the number 1 again. While bell on the other hand has multiple losses which would off set his wins and overall ranking so considering where Bell would be in the rankings one win against valt shouldn't be enough to rank him up that far, rankings arent as simple as “i beat you now im #?ranked” All of it really just depends on circumstances. I could be wrong and if i am then im ok with that.

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Ik i said i was done but i was thinking about this and i think the reason would be all of those were different matches? For example hyuga defeated lane but didnt rank up to S2, Lane also defeated free and lui but didnt rank up to S4 or S5 reason being those were normal matches and the reason why lane ranked up so high after he beat Shu was because it was most likely a rank up match Which was established earlier in sparking which is how Hyuga, hikaru, and lane all hoped in the rankings so fast with lane becoming A1 Same way how hikaru became a legend when beating fubuki.
Also look at Valt, defeated 2 of the spin emperors and not being one himself same with aiga and drum defeating their respectful groups as well and even though bell defeated free lui and shu he also lost to them(besides shu) also losing to rashad twice so if those were official matches those losses would off set his wins and ranking and if those were unofficial matches then bell wouldn’t rank up at all and the rankings would be the same. Plus after Bell beats those bladers its never hinted at him ranking up either.The reason why it would make sense with valt is because he’s one rank behind Rashad close in terms of wins and points so one win against him should be enough to get Valt to the number 1 again. While bell on the other hand has multiple losses which would off set his wins and overall ranking so considering where Bell would be in the rankings one win against valt shouldn't be enough to rank him up that far, rankings arent as simple as “i beat you now im #?ranked” All of it really just depends on circumstances. I could be wrong and if i am then im ok with that.

(Mar. 10, 2022  7:01 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  3:32 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Ik i said i was done but i was thinking about this and i think the reason would be all of those were different matches? For example hyuga defeated lane but didnt rank up to S2, Lane also defeated free and lui but didnt rank up to S4 or S5 reason being those were normal matches and the reason why lane ranked up so high after he beat Shu was because it was most likely a rank up match Which was established earlier in sparking which is how Hyuga, hikaru, and lane all hoped in the rankings so fast with lane becoming A1 Same way how hikaru became a legend when beating fubuki.
Also look at Valt, defeated 2 of the spin emperors and not being one himself same with aiga and drum defeating their respectful groups as well and even though bell defeated free lui and shu he also lost to them(besides shu) also losing to rashad twice so if those were official matches those losses would off set his wins and ranking and if those were unofficial matches then bell wouldn’t rank up at all and the rankings would be the same. Plus after Bell beats those bladers its never hinted at him ranking up either.The reason why it would make sense with valt is because he’s one rank behind Rashad close in terms of wins and points so one win against him should be enough to get  Valt to the number 1 again. While bell on the other hand has multiple losses which would off set his wins and overall ranking so considering where Bell would be in the rankings one win against valt shouldn't be enough to rank him up that far, rankings arent as simple as “i beat you now im #?ranked” All of it really just depends on circumstances. I could be wrong and if i am then im ok with that.

Unlike lean who is rank S Hyuga is rank B 300 iirc when he fought lean so him being rank S no 17 so its not a fair comaprison to lean and bell who has beaten the top 5 back to back. also they never stated the spin emperor hireracy after S1 ends so disproves your point. Really this imply if you are a lower rank like c or b beating the s rank will boost you are high but if you are s rank beating a higher s rank you will get that hiher s rank spot like shu even gets his S rank 2 spot back afyer he beat lean in the end of sparking manga

(Mar. 10, 2022  7:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Actually not really because again bell still LOST to legends just because he wins that doesnt mean the lose never happend that would still affect his win lose ratio and his overall ranking and if they werent official that means Bell never ranked up at all after beating them only having 2 official wins being valt and rashad again not high enough to rank up all the way to the top. plus if you remember Shu was S3 while Lane was S2 so Shu becoming S2 again is belivable why? He’s literally one rank behind him same with Valt and Rashad there so close in the ranking that 1 direct win should be enough for them to regain the ranking. And again Lane being an A1 blader defeated both Lui and Free yet never took over their ranking or ranked up at all.

(Mar. 10, 2022  8:04 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Mar. 10, 2022  7:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Actually not really because again bell still LOST to legends just because he wins that doesnt mean the lose never happend that would still affect his win lose ratio and his overall ranking and if they werent official that means Bell never ranked up at all after beating them only having 2 official wins being valt and rashad again not high enough to rank up all the way to the top. plus if you remember Shu was S3 while Lane was S2 so Shu becoming S2 again is belivable why? He’s literally one rank behind him same with Valt and Rashad there so close in the ranking that 1 direct win should be enough for them to regain the ranking. And again Lane being an A1 blader defeated both Lui and Free yet never took over their ranking or ranked up at all.

"Actually not really because again bell still LOST to legends just because he wins that doesnt mean the lose never happend that would still affect his win lose ratio and his overall ranking and if they werent official that means Bell never ranked up at all after beating them only having 2 official wins"  

Offical match is something you should avoid speaking its basically a grey area where theres no telling wether or no such is such. moving on Well Bell is infamous of beating the legends same case as the on how the Lean rank up he first battle Free beats him gets his fame noticed then continues to beat high rank bladers that why he gets a high Rank. Also on a Story prespective bell gaining both the No.1 and champion title is symbolic since Morita pretty much gives the idea of new gen taking over in the last chapter

"And again Lane being an A1 blader defeated both Lui and Free yet never took over their ranking or ranked up at all."

No Fubuki is rank 1 lean just pass him by after he beats free he was rank 4 or 3rd when he was introduced then they never really stated his rank this one is a grey area but it is heavily impliyed that lean take over or at least rank up into s rank

"So again not that simple of “i beat you now im that ranking” sorry if i sound rude again sorry"

Do you even read what i said earlier "Really this imply if you are a lower rank like c or b beating the s rank will boost you are high but if you are s rank beating a higher s rank you will get that hiher s rank spot" smh

TD;LR how ranking works is a grey area how time pases per chapter in the manga is also a grey area so theres no knowing how many X characer has won in a official match ranking as it will and always be confusing End the end of the day its how you intrepret it

(Mar. 11, 2022  12:37 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: I want to clarify one thing about lean he actually rank up after beating free and lui thats how he got the highest rank an the A tier. Against shu he gained s2 cause at that point he had the amount of V to get him into the s tier. But if thats not convencing for some well nothing says an S tier blader cant put their rank directly on the line that explain why lean gain the rank s2 cause he didn’t get the rank belows before fighting shu cause the others below still had their ranks intact. By the End of Sparking the only legend that lost their S-tier status was Rantaro he got kick out courtesy of lean. This Could also apply with Bell Where Valt not only put his World title on the line but also directly put his #1 ranking as well

(Mar. 11, 2022  1:44 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Mar. 11, 2022  12:37 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: I want to clarify one thing about lean he actually rank up after beating free and lui thats how he got the highest rank an the A tier. Against shu he gained s2 cause at that point he had the amount of V to get him into the s tier. But if thats not convencing for some well nothing says an S tier blader cant put their rank directly on the line that explain why lean gain the rank s2 cause he didn’t get the rank belows before fighting shu cause the others below still had their ranks intact. By the End of Sparking the only legend that lost their S-tier status was Rantaro he got kick out courtesy of lean. This Could also apply with Bell Where Valt not only put his World title on the line but also directly put his #1 ranking as well

Oh really? Ohh right i completely forgot lane did become A5 in that chapter not A1 i got my chapters mixed up. So after lane defeated free and thenbecame A1. So question im just trying to catch up a bit in terms of sparking info. Wasnt Lane a C rank blader at first? I remember in the chapter when hyuga and hikaru where trying to raise their rank Lane was in C but sky rocketed to A5 after defeating his opponents correct? Also this one might be a bit stupid but didnt they add 2 extra ranking spots at the end? I can’t fully remember but I did hear something about two extra spots making it 17?

(Mar. 11, 2022  3:06 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Mar. 11, 2022  1:44 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Oh really? Ohh right i completely forgot lane did become A5 in that chapter not A1 i got my chapters mixed up. So after lane defeated free and thenbecame A1. So question im just trying to catch up a bit in terms of sparking info. Wasnt Lane a C rank blader at first? I remember in the chapter when hyuga and hikaru where trying to raise their rank Lane was in C but sky rocketed to A5 after defeating his opponents correct? Also this one might be a bit stupid but didnt they add 2 extra ranking spots at the end? I can’t fully remember but I did hear something about two extra spots making it 17?

Yes when or started lean was an C tier but skyrocket after beating a bunch of nobodies. His growth from b to a tier came from beating the likes of joshua & Ruway (both were said to be A-rank), he also apprently took out kurtz, free and Lui plus a bunch of others it was also mention that lean went through a fue A-Rank bladers to solidify himself and. Now about the extra rank its more that hyuga and Hikaru was granted the S-Tier aka the legend Status their were still A-Ranks the # 6 & #17 is a global ranking. Like you know after 15 the numbers still continued even if their tiers being A1 or B1 even C tier is to rank them an that said tier but globally. A1 and A2 still are #16 and #17 respectivly at the end. But keep in mind the asahi bros got a special treament though

(Mar. 11, 2022  3:31 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Mar. 11, 2022  3:06 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Yes when or started lean was an C tier but skyrocket after beating a bunch of nobodies. His growth from b to a tier came from beating the likes of joshua & Ruway (both were said to be A-rank), he also apprently took out kurtz, free and Lui plus a bunch of others it was also mention that lean went through a fue A-Rank bladers to solidify himself and. Now about the extra rank its more that hyuga and Hikaru was granted the S-Tier aka the legend Status their were still A-Ranks the # 6 & #17 is a global ranking. Like you know after 15 the numbers still continued even if their tiers being A1 or B1 even C tier is to rank them an that said tier but globally. A1 and A2 still are #16 and #17 respectivly at the end. But keep in mind the asahi bros got a special treament though

yea i do remember seeing something about Lane defeating them in the process when i think Lane had Uranus and didnt Lane battle Lui after he got Lucifer which would be after he became A1? also wouldn't A1 and A2 still be the normal A ranks? or are those two ranks now considered legend spots now? i might just be reading it wrong but i think i understand. but OK now i understand the whole ranking thing with lane and the others now before i was kinda confused because it seemed like it was jumping around a bit here and there and since i didn't really have access to the chapters it was kinda hard to just go back and check to correct myself. feeling a bit embarrassed now but at least i finally have the correct info to go off now. but i guess 1 last thing that confuses me is how lane became S2. did Shu put his ranking on the line or was it a rank up match or was it just a normal match? just kinda find it weird how lane jumped from A1 to S2 so fast without going through some of the other rankings without it being a special type of match