(Jun. 28, 2021  9:40 PM)Instarez Wrote: Possible hot take: I think Burst should have had 10 minute episodes. My reasoning is that during the District and National Tournaments ant lots of times they felt drawn out, so being forced to work with small run time would make each episodes be more plot focused, because they don't have extra time to put filler in. More plot focus probably means more progression, which is the solution to the aforementioned problem.

(Jun. 29, 2021  1:13 AM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Jun. 28, 2021  8:51 PM)Beyblade8986 Wrote: It's Time to answer on this question. We all know that Valt Aoi - legend among legends is the strongest blader. All seasons proved that. He worked hard and use all his power to be at this peak. But a lot of people think that Valt Don't use his full power. Is Valt using all his power? Does he hold?

Yes because if you go all out against a newbie you can break their bey. "But Unseen, you can only break a Beyblade if you want to break it" Quiet Jim I'm talking Jim:
That's not entirely true. Remember Bell Vs Ransou? Bell broke Gilde Ragnaruk on accident without the intent of breaking it. Bell overpowered Ransou and went all out but Ransou couldn't handle that type of power besides he was using a DB Bey so he overpowered Ransou by a lot using this evidence I can deduce that if you don't hold back in some battles you can break a bey another example, Shu Vs Lui. Lui accidentally broke Spriggan but it wasn't his fault since Spriggan was already damaged and they both went all out causing Spriggan to break it wasn't because Shu was weak or Lui wanted to break it, it was because Shu was pushing Spriggan a bit to much in the battle he had with Wakiya so if he had not pushed Spriggan that hard and had Spryzen mended Spriggan would not have broken so Yes Valt does hold back but for good reason.

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:32 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 28, 2021  9:40 PM)Instarez Wrote: Possible hot take: I think Burst should have had 10 minute episodes. My reasoning is that during the District and National Tournaments ant lots of times they felt drawn out, so being forced to work with small run time would make each episodes be more plot focused, because they don't have extra time to put filler in. More plot focus probably means more progression, which is the solution to the aforementioned problem.

Burst and Evolution made very good use of their runtime. Didn't feel stretched out at all. Everything that happened in the tournaments was necessary to move the story forward. Certain matches had to take place to progress to others and so on and so forth. That way it doesn't become a disjointed mess leaving us wondering how certain characters got to certain places.

When it comes to storytelling, a common bedrock principle is to progress character as the plot progress. Take the Regional Tournament for example, because Valt lost in the finals of the District, he had to compete in the regionals in order to try and win his way to a spot in the Nationals; that's a logical progression that makes perfect sense. During that particular arc though, Burst utilized it's runtime well to also progress character forward, we see this done with Valt, Hoji, and Daigo. 

In fact Daigo's arc is during this part of the season. It's because of the longer runtime we get an opportunity to delve into what's going on with the characters internally while also moving the plot along; we get to see Daigo's struggle with trailing behind Valt and later during his arc we seem him struggle with his guilt. We get to see Hoji struggling to reconcile his realtionship with Wakiya with his desire to beat him. They're able to spend time dealing with these things because they have more time. They're deepening character while keeping the story moving. Some viewers are more plot oriented, while some are more character driven viewers. It's usually a good idea when telling a story to balance both character and plot as the narrative progresses. 

This is something Burst, Evolution, and to a lesser, Rise do really well. As another example, during the District tournament, we get introduced to Ken, yes he's a competitor in the tournament, but because we have that twenty minute runtime, they have to time to round him out a character; we get to know his backstory, his personality and how he interacts with others, and it's because they established his backstory early on, that his character arc across the season works because we get to see where he started as a person to where he ends up. Another example of progressing character and plot forward. In addition because of that extra runtime we they were able to layer believably into Valt's growth both as a person and as blader. Seeing the training was excellent way to achieve that. Some other examples of progressing both plot and character at the same time.

Rise does this well, but to a lesser extent. Rise took the time to develop and grow their major characters; Dante, Delta, and Arman using this ten minute runtime, but the extent to which they were able to do so was limited. In addition we missed out on having the nice mini arcs for some of the side characters that Burst & Evolution had the runtime to employ. DB is an example of the trip falls of a limited runtime. Instead of progressing plot and character at the same time, they're stopping to do one while not doing the other. And in Sparking we barely got even a drip of character development or growth, due in part to the limited runtime, so while it more plot focused, it was lacking in character work. That's not using your storytelling time economically. So, all in all Burst & Evolution do a excellent job of putting their runtime to good use and in so doing progress character and plot forward at the same time in meanigful ways.

(Jun. 29, 2021  12:06 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:32 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Burst and Evolution made very good use of their runtime. Didn't feel stretched out at all. Everything that happened in the tournaments was necessary to move the story forward. Certain matches had to take place to progress to others and so on and so forth. That way it doesn't become a disjointed mess leaving us wondering how certain characters got to certain places.

When it comes to storytelling, a common bedrock principle is to progress character as the plot progress. Take the Regional Tournament for example, because Valt lost in the finals of the District, he had to compete in the regionals in order to try and win his way to a spot in the Nationals; that's a logical progression that makes perfect sense. During that particular arc though, Burst utilized it's runtime well to also progress character forward, we see this done with Valt, Hoji, and Daigo. 

In fact Daigo's arc is during this part of the season. It's because of the longer runtime we get an opportunity to delve into what's going on with the characters internally while also moving the plot along; we get to see Daigo's struggle with trailing behind Valt and later during his arc we seem him struggle with his guilt. We get to see Hoji struggling to reconcile his realtionship with Wakiya with his desire to beat him. They're able to spend time dealing with these things because they have more time. They're deepening character while keeping the story moving. Some viewers are more plot oriented, while some are more character driven viewers. It's usually a good idea when telling a story to balance both character and plot as the narrative progresses. 

This is something Burst, Evolution, and to a lesser, Rise do really well. As another example, during the District tournament, we get introduced to Ken, yes he's a competitor in the tournament, but because we have that twenty minute runtime, they have to time to round him out a character; we get to know his backstory, his personality and how he interacts with others, and it's because they established his backstory early on, that his character arc across the season works because we get to see where he started as a person to where he ends up. Another example of progressing character and plot forward. In addition because of that extra runtime we they were able to layer believably into Valt's growth both as a person and as blader. Seeing the training was excellent way to achieve that. Some other examples of progressing both plot and character at the same time.

Rise does this well, but to a lesser extent. Rise took the time to develop and grow their major characters; Dante, Delta, and Arman using this ten minute runtime, but the extent to which they were able to do so was limited. In addition we missed out on having the nice mini arcs for some of the side characters that Burst & Evolution had the runtime to employ. DB is an example of the trip falls of a limited runtime. Instead of progressing plot and character at the same time, they're stopping to do one while not doing the other. And in Sparking we barely got even a drip of character development or growth, due in part to the limited runtime, so while it more plot focused, it was lacking in character work. That's not using your storytelling time economically. So, all in all Burst & Evolution do a excellent job of putting their runtime to good use and in so doing progress character and plot forward at the same time in meanigful ways.

For me it felt stretched out during the District Tournament and Nationals.

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:03 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  12:06 PM)Instarez Wrote: For me it felt stretched out during the District Tournament and Nationals.

Could be that you're a more plot driven viewer and for that reason it feels stretched out to you. Burst and Evolution is a blend of character driven storytelling as well as plot. They balance the two instead of focusing on just plot which would deprive the story of good character work, thus putting it's runtime to excellent use by balancing both; advancing character as they advance plot.

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:19 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:03 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Could be that you're a more plot driven viewer and for that reason it feels stretched out to you. Burst and Evolution is a blend of character driven storytelling as well as plot. They balance the two instead of focusing on just plot which would deprive the story of good character work, thus putting it's runtime to excellent use by balancing both; advancing character as they advance plot.

Nah it just felt like a lot of filler. Like with the Beasts team, that was pointless and barely contributed to the plot.

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:24 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:19 PM)Instarez Wrote: Nah it just felt like a lot of filler. Like with the Beasts team, that was pointless and barely contributed to the plot.

The beast team were competitors in the tournament, their matches had to happen to move the plot forward. In addition them being their served two purposes; their matches moved the story forward, and it layered the foundation for the change in Ken's personality when he returned. That's not filler nor is it pointless.

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:36 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:24 PM)Admiral W Wrote: The beast team were competitors in the tournament, their matches had to happen to move the plot forward. In addition them being their served two purposes; their matches moved the story forward, and it layered the foundation for the change in Ken's personality when he returned. That's not filler nor is it pointless.

Ken didn’t do anything substantial past the Sword Flames arc. Any other random team could have filled the gap.

(Jun. 28, 2021  8:51 PM)Beyblade8986 Wrote: It's Time to answer on this question. We all know that Valt Aoi - legend among legends is the strongest blader. All seasons proved that. He worked hard and use all his power to be at this peak. But a lot of people think that Valt Don't use his full power. Is Valt using all his power? Does he hold?

(Jun. 29, 2021  2:19 PM)Instarez Wrote: Nah it just felt like a lot of filler. Like with the Beasts team, that was pointless and barely contributed to the plot.

(Jun. 29, 2021  7:02 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: I seriously can't take the Aiga slander anymore

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  7:02 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: I seriously can't take the Aiga slander anymore

Is it really that bad? Well, I guess i'll just go ahead and pitch in a good thing about Aiga. Although I don't think he is as good a protagonist as Valt, I will admit that he is a lot more of a creative concept and a hell of a lot more original than Valt. The writers admittedly took the easy/experimental route with Valt by making him the overly enthusiastic/strong willed/aspiring nice guy type of protagonist but they really did go all in with Aiga and his rowdy persona/evil arc even if it was a bit spotty and I can respect that. 

P.S, while Valt may be the better character, his resonance doesn't look nearly as bad*** as Aiga's 

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:05 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Is it really that bad? Well, I guess i'll just go ahead and pitch in a good thing about Aiga. Although I don't think he is as good a protagonist as Valt, I will admit that he is a lot more of a creative concept and a hell of a lot more original than Valt. The writers admittedly took the easy/experimental route with Valt by making him the overly enthusiastic/strong willed/aspiring nice guy type of protagonist but they really did go all in with Aiga and his rowdy persona/evil arc even if it was a bit spotty and I can respect that. 

P.S, while Valt may be the better character, his resonance doesn't look nearly as bad*** as Aiga's 

Admittedly the glowing gold eyes are pretty cool.

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  7:02 PM)LuinorShirosagi Wrote: I seriously can't take the Aiga slander anymore

Is it really that bad? Well, I guess i'll just go ahead and pitch in a good thing about Aiga. Although I don't think he is as good a protagonist as Valt, I will admit that he is a lot more of a creative concept and a hell of a lot more original than Valt. The writers admittedly took the easy/experimental route with Valt by making him the overly enthusiastic/strong willed/aspiring nice guy type of protagonist but they really did go all in with Aiga and his rowdy persona/evil arc even if it was a bit spotty and I can respect that. 

P.S, while Valt may be the better character, his resonance doesn't look nearly as bad*** as Aiga's 

(Jun. 29, 2021  9:29 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Is it really that bad? Well, I guess i'll just go ahead and pitch in a good thing about Aiga. Although I don't think he is as good a protagonist as Valt, I will admit that he is a lot more of a creative concept and a hell of a lot more original than Valt. The writers admittedly took the easy/experimental route with Valt by making him the overly enthusiastic/strong willed/aspiring nice guy type of protagonist but they really did go all in with Aiga and his rowdy persona/evil arc even if it was a bit spotty and I can respect that. 

P.S, while Valt may be the better character, his resonance doesn't look nearly as bad*** as Aiga's 

Exactly why I prefer Aiga over Drum as a protagonist. Half of the time, Drum felt like an offbrand Valt to me, which I really couldn't get out of my head. Aiga had a greater difference in that regard, even though it took him down an arguably worse turn. Ig I didn't like playing it safe with Drum.

(Jun. 29, 2021  9:29 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Is it really that bad? Well, I guess i'll just go ahead and pitch in a good thing about Aiga. Although I don't think he is as good a protagonist as Valt, I will admit that he is a lot more of a creative concept and a hell of a lot more original than Valt. The writers admittedly took the easy/experimental route with Valt by making him the overly enthusiastic/strong willed/aspiring nice guy type of protagonist but they really did go all in with Aiga and his rowdy persona/evil arc even if it was a bit spotty and I can respect that. 

P.S, while Valt may be the better character, his resonance doesn't look nearly as bad*** as Aiga's 

Exactly why I prefer Aiga over Drum as a protagonist. Half of the time, Drum felt like an offbrand Valt to me, which I really couldn't get out of my head. Aiga had a greater difference in that regard, even though it took him down an arguably worse turn. Ig I didn't like playing it safe with Drum.

(Jun. 29, 2021  9:29 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  8:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Is it really that bad? Well, I guess i'll just go ahead and pitch in a good thing about Aiga. Although I don't think he is as good a protagonist as Valt, I will admit that he is a lot more of a creative concept and a hell of a lot more original than Valt. The writers admittedly took the easy/experimental route with Valt by making him the overly enthusiastic/strong willed/aspiring nice guy type of protagonist but they really did go all in with Aiga and his rowdy persona/evil arc even if it was a bit spotty and I can respect that. 

P.S, while Valt may be the better character, his resonance doesn't look nearly as bad*** as Aiga's  ;)

Exactly why I prefer Aiga over Drum as a protagonist. Half of the time, Drum felt like an offbrand Valt to me, which I really couldn't get out of my head. Aiga had a greater difference in that regard, even though it took him down an arguably worse turn. Ig I didn't like playing it safe with Drum.

(Jun. 29, 2021  9:50 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  9:29 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Exactly why I prefer Aiga over Drum as a protagonist. Half of the time, Drum felt like an offbrand Valt to me, which I really couldn't get out of my head. Aiga had a greater difference in that regard, even though it took him down an arguably worse turn. Ig I didn't like playing it safe with Drum.

Yeah Drum was A LOT like Valt thinking back to it. Initially I really liked Drum but the more I began to see him, the less I liked him. Drum is to Valt like The force awakens is to A new hope; It's a decent copy of something great, but a copy nonetheless.

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:04 PM)Dark red Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  9:50 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Yeah Drum was A LOT like Valt thinking back to it. Initially I really liked Drum but the more I began to see him, the less I liked him. Drum is to Valt like The force awakens is to A new hope; It's a decent copy of something great, but a copy nonetheless.

But Drum was smarter and more strategic than Valt during his season. Also, what's wrong with characters having similar personalities? Even IRL, different individuals have similar personalities but I won't call them off-brand of each other.

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Also imo, Drum was a way more likeable character than Aiga.

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:16 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:04 PM)Dark red Wrote: But Drum was smarter and more strategic than Valt during his season. Also, what's wrong with characters having similar personalities? Even IRL, different individuals have similar personalities but I won't call them off-brand of each other.

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Also imo, Drum was a way more likeable character than Aiga.

 ¨Also, what's wrong with characters having similar personalities?¨
It takes away from originality of the work. If I wanted to see Valt again, I would watch older seasons. A lack of originality is a sign of poor writing especially when the entire point of getting a new protagonist is to give the audience something new.

¨But Drum was smarter and more strategic than Valt during his season.¨ 
Yeah and that really isn't a factor that is big enough to change my opinion, I see far more similarities than I do differences and the differences that do exist are miniscule and are effectively non-factors.

¨Even IRL, different individuals have similar personalities but I won't call them off-brand of each other.¨
Burst is animated media designed to appeal to viewers while real life is real life so that comparison doesn't really work. A new burst protagonist is meant to appeal to the audience in a different way than the others and Drum really doesn't make that cut.

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:38 PM)Dark red Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:16 PM)Zeutron Wrote:  ¨Also, what's wrong with characters having similar personalities?¨
It takes away from originality of the work. If I wanted to see Valt again, I would watch older seasons. A lack of originality is a sign of poor writing especially when the entire point of getting a new protagonist is to give the audience something new.

¨But Drum was smarter and more strategic than Valt during his season.¨ 
Yeah and that really isn't a factor that is big enough to change my opinion, I see far more similarities than I do differences and the differences that do exist are miniscule and are effectively non-factors.

¨Even IRL, different individuals have similar personalities but I won't call them off-brand of each other.¨
Burst is animated media designed to appeal to viewers while real life is real life so that comparison doesn't really work. A new burst protagonist is meant to appeal to the audience in a different way than the others and Drum really doesn't make that cut.

I know Burst is an animated show but simply disliking Drum because his unoriginality is kinda eh imo. I trying to say that maybe Burst was trying to realistic by showing that there will be characters/people will similar personalities regardless you like it or not. The same can apply for irl for Youtubers in the Youtube community saying that there will be Youtubers with similar personas to their famous counterparts, which makes people calling them off-brand or a rip-off. This aspect is what makes me like Drum despite being a "copy". And besides, tbh 11-year-old Valt felt pretty "cliche" (a word I hate) compared to Drum IMO: spiky hair, and acting dumb (no insult).

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:40 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Jun. 29, 2021  11:38 PM)Dark red Wrote: I know Burst is an animated show but simply disliking Drum because his unoriginality is kinda eh imo. I trying to say that maybe Burst was trying to realistic by showing that there will be characters/people will similar personalities regardless you like it or not. The same can apply for irl for Youtubers in the Youtube community saying that there will be Youtubers with similar personas to their famous counterparts, which makes people calling them off-brand or a rip-off. This aspect is what makes me like Drum despite being a "copy". And besides, tbh 11-year-old Valt felt pretty "cliche" (a word I hate) compared to Drum IMO: spiky hair, and acting dumb (no insult).

I don't really know why people are hating on Drum infact he's the smartest main character he just acts goofy and I don't see a problem with that just because Drum doesn't seem smart doesn't mean he isn't smart