(Jun. 08, 2021  11:07 PM)Admiral W Wrote: It was the exact opposite for me. It was the first time while watching beyblade that I acutally cared about the characters. It was the first time watching beyblade that I felt connected to the characters. I felt connected to Valt, Shu, Xander, Daigo, Rantaro, Lui, Ken among others. That's due to the excellent work they did of really giving a great many of these characters journey's both within and without. Their character arcs were particularly relatable. A great many of the side characters had plenty to do, of course it wasn't as much as the main, which of course it couldn't be, but they contributed to the plot in just the right ways. Burst really took the time to really delve into those characters which made me all the more invested in them and therefore enjoy their journey's all the moreso.

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:27 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:07 PM)Admiral W Wrote: It was the exact opposite for me. It was the first time while watching beyblade that I acutally cared about the characters. It was the first time watching beyblade that I felt connected to the characters. I felt connected to Valt, Shu, Xander, Daigo, Rantaro, Lui, Ken among others. That's due to the excellent work they did of really giving a great many of these characters journey's both within and without. Their character arcs were particularly relatable. A great many of the side characters had plenty to do, of course it wasn't as much as the main, which of course it couldn't be, but they contributed to the plot in just the right ways. Burst really took the time to really delve into those characters which made me all the more invested in them and therefore enjoy their journey's all the moreso.

Your first time? I find that hard to believe. Even if they were side characters with no development, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade and Metals Fight Beyblade both have really likeable characters. Plus one of the worst things about Burst for me was all of the characters they introduced around the Nationals that amounted to absolutely nothing. Sora is one of my favorite Beyblade characters of all time and he has 1 episode of development, and 2 episodes total. Not saying that older character's didn't get development, but I just find your statement incredibly bizarre.

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:27 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:07 PM)Admiral W Wrote: It was the exact opposite for me. It was the first time while watching beyblade that I acutally cared about the characters. It was the first time watching beyblade that I felt connected to the characters. I felt connected to Valt, Shu, Xander, Daigo, Rantaro, Lui, Ken among others. That's due to the excellent work they did of really giving a great many of these characters journey's both within and without. Their character arcs were particularly relatable. A great many of the side characters had plenty to do, of course it wasn't as much as the main, which of course it couldn't be, but they contributed to the plot in just the right ways. Burst really took the time to really delve into those characters which made me all the more invested in them and therefore enjoy their journey's all the moreso.

Your first time? I find that hard to believe. Even if they were side characters with no development, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade and Metals Fight Beyblade both have really likeable characters. Plus one of the worst things about Burst for me was all of the characters they introduced around the Nationals that amounted to absolutely nothing. Sora is one of my favorite Beyblade characters of all time and he has 1 episode of development, and 2 episodes total. Not saying that older character's didn't get development, but I just find your statement incredibly bizarre.

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:36 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:27 PM)Instarez Wrote: Your first time? I find that hard to believe. Even if they were side characters with no development, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade and Metals Fight Beyblade both have really likeable characters. Plus one of the worst things about Burst for me was all of the characters they introduced around the Nationals that amounted to absolutely nothing. Sora is one of my favorite Beyblade characters of all time and he has 1 episode of development, and 2 episodes total. Not saying that older character's didn't get development, but I just find your statement incredibly bizarre.

I haven't watched much OG so I can't speak to it, but I have watched MFB and I didn't really feel connected to those characters. I don't know what you mean about the characters at the Nationals that amounted to nothing there was a group of bladers introduced to participate in the tournament, in fact some of the season's mini arcs with some of those bladers took place during that part of the season. They fulfilled their function for that part of the season. I think what some people have to understand is that different things resonate differently with different people. Sora is a character that I don't feel anything for, he happens to be a character you really enjoy, it simply due to the fact that not everything is going to speak to everyone in the same way or perhaps at all. If something resonated with you, it's not a guarantee it will resonate with someone else. Nothing strange about it. It's just the way art works.

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:00 PM)Instarez Wrote: My main problem with Burst is the side characters. I didn't really care for anyone outside of Valt, Shu, Lui, and Xander. There was just a bunch of other people and I couldn't care for them as each had very small roles that didn't do much for the overall story.

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:55 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:00 PM)Instarez Wrote: My main problem with Burst is the side characters. I didn't really care for anyone outside of Valt, Shu, Lui, and Xander. There was just a bunch of other people and I couldn't care for them as each had very small roles that didn't do much for the overall story.

This one of my general problem to the whole burst not only apply to season 1 other season also.

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:52 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:36 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I haven't watched much OG so I can't speak to it, but I have watched MFB and I didn't really feel connected to those characters. I don't know what you mean about the characters at the Nationals that amounted to nothing there was a group of bladers introduced to participate in the tournament, in fact some of the season's mini arcs with some of those bladers took place during that part of the season. They fulfilled their function for that part of the season. I think what some people have to understand is that different things resonate differently with different people. Sora is a character that I don't feel anything for, he happens to be a character you really enjoy, it simply due to the fact that not everything is going to speak to everyone in the same way or perhaps at all. If something resonated with you, it's not a guarantee it will resonate with someone else. Nothing strange about it. It's just the way art works.

Sorry if I came across hostile, I've just never seen that opinion presented before. Form what I've personally seen in the community everyone feels attachments to different characters. Like some people are hardcore Ryuga fans while others like Kento. I've just never seen someone who doesn't feel connected o any characters at all.

(Jun. 09, 2021  12:14 AM)Instarez Wrote: Now that you mention it, it really persists huh. God is sorta ok, lots of characters are under used but they still feel like characters and not plot devices, for the most part. Chouzetsu is REALLY bad in that regard. All of the interesting characters go extremely underused, even Shu and Free feel like minor characters. Leaving only 4 important Bladers, I don't even like 3 of em. GT is kind of ok. GT could've been worse, but they were kind of forced to give random Bladers screen time cause of the smaller cast. Sparking only under uses Aiga and Drum iirc so not that bad.

(Jun. 09, 2021  12:33 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2021  12:14 AM)Instarez Wrote: Now that you mention it, it really persists huh. God is sorta ok, lots of characters are under used but they still feel like characters and not plot devices, for the most part. Chouzetsu is REALLY bad in that regard. All of the interesting characters go extremely underused, even Shu and Free feel like minor characters. Leaving only 4 important Bladers, I don't even like 3 of em. GT is kind of ok. GT could've been worse, but they were kind of forced to give random Bladers screen time cause of the smaller cast. Sparking only under uses Aiga and Drum iirc so not that bad.

Drum isn't really being underused in sparking I think he's being use finely on the other hand free is probably the one character that is being super underused.

(Jun. 09, 2021  12:14 AM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2021  11:55 PM)Needforspeed Wrote: This one of my general problem to the whole burst not only apply to season 1 other season also.

Now that you mention it, it really persists huh. God is sorta ok, lots of characters are under used but they still feel like characters and not plot devices, for the most part. Chouzetsu is REALLY bad in that regard. All of the interesting characters go extremely underused, even Shu and Free feel like minor characters. Leaving only 4 important Bladers, I don't even like 3 of em. GT is kind of ok. GT could've been worse, but they were kind of forced to give random Bladers screen time cause of the smaller cast. Sparking only under uses Aiga and Drum iirc so not that bad.

(Jun. 09, 2021  12:42 AM)Instarez Wrote: I personally felt that Drum was kind of underused. Free on the other hand, yeah.

(Jun. 09, 2021  1:15 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2021  12:42 AM)Instarez Wrote: I personally felt that Drum was kind of underused. Free on the other hand, yeah.

Easily the most underused character in sparking (IMO). At least characters like Free, Aiga and Sisco had developmental points in sparking, Drum was getting thrown into random episodes in order to make up for his lack of screen time.

(Jun. 09, 2021  6:20 PM)Limetka Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2021  4:31 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Instarez is right, information is not necessarily canonical based on the fact that it isn't outright disproven, rather is it canonical based on what actually confirms it so as it stands, Lane did not have flare before he met Shu in the manga (assuming Instarez was actually right about that, I haven't read the manga).

Nonetheless, still don't know if mango Lane makes sparking look better than DB in my eyes.

I can't agree with that. Morita himself works on the anime and most of the details are the same. The manga only changes the story to fit into 3 volumes but we should assume most things stay the same. It makes zero sense to do the opposite. Especially since the manga never even mentioned when Lane got it.

The best way to consume beyblade burst is combining and filling missing things from both the manga and the anime.

(Jun. 09, 2021  8:28 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2021  6:20 PM)Limetka Wrote: I can't agree with that. Morita himself works on the anime and most of the details are the same. The manga only changes the story to fit into 3 volumes but we should assume most things stay the same. It makes zero sense to do the opposite. Especially since the manga never even mentioned when Lane got it.

The best way to consume beyblade burst is combining and filling missing things from both the manga and the anime.

That might be the best way to fill in missing voids but it is still factually incorrect as per canonical information. Interestingly enough, Mr Morita himself has openly acknowledge the anime and manga as separate (not that we even needed this validation since it is clearly observable) and he isn't quite as involved with the anime as you would believe, he simply provides ideas and the vital info before a team of writers organize it all to fit the appropriate time and media. Whether something does or does not make sense, assumptions will remain assumptions and as I said before, canon is defined as what is stated (or portrayed) to exist rather than what ¨fits¨ or hasn't been disproven. ¨But we should assume most things stay the same¨ This is where you are misunderstanding things, assumptions do not count as factual official information especially when they come from fans like us and seeing as the manga and anime are separate continuities various elements are not automatically applicable between them and are subjected to the rules of canonicity. It is certainly fair for you to have a personal opinion or headcanon but assumed similarities getting passed on as a fact is not quite as valid uk?

(Jun. 10, 2021  1:28 PM)Instarez Wrote: Would you like a MFB style story for Beyblade Gen 4? Why or why not?

(Jun. 10, 2021  1:52 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jun. 10, 2021  1:28 PM)Instarez Wrote: Would you like a MFB style story for Beyblade Gen 4? Why or why not?

 
Depends on what MFB style would mean. If it means an edgier plot with some god of destruction type of stuff and world ending threat then my answer is a hard no. If it is just an increase in supernatural elements and creative storylines, then maybe. The reason why I say ¨maybe¨ is due to the fact that I personally believe increasing powers and supernatural elements will take away from the actual emphasis on characters but that's just my personal opinion.

(Jun. 10, 2021  1:28 PM)Instarez Wrote: Would you like a MFB style story for Beyblade Gen 4? Why or why not?

(Jun. 10, 2021  3:14 PM)Dark red Wrote:

(Jun. 10, 2021  1:28 PM)Instarez Wrote: Would you like a MFB style story for Beyblade Gen 4? Why or why not?

Yes, I would like a MFB style story for Beyblade Gen 4 but with no God of Destruction or the world-ending type of thing. I want to see dark stuff like for example, in the manga, Dr. Ziggurat paid Argo to rig his opponent, Ginga Hagan, with a boat with a bomb to ensure his victory. Or Ryuga having a leash on Reji, a detail that made my blood curdled. These types of things give the Beyblade series more feeling and meaning like the show isn't just about spinning tops but much more than that. I also want to see teams cheating in world tournaments and events like Team Garcia or the Russian team, just to make the series a little realistic. \

(Jun. 10, 2021  3:18 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(Jun. 10, 2021  3:14 PM)Dark red Wrote: Yes, I would like a MFB style story for Beyblade Gen 4 but with no God of Destruction or the world-ending type of thing. I want to see dark stuff like for example, in the manga, Dr. Ziggurat paid Argo to rig his opponent, Ginga Hagan, with a boat with a bomb to ensure his victory. Or Ryuga having a leash on Reji, a detail that made my blood curdled. These types of things give the Beyblade series more feeling and meaning like the show isn't just about spinning tops but much more than that. I also want to see teams cheating in world tournaments and events like Team Garcia or the Russian team, just to make the series a little realistic. \

I agree. I would prefer something more like Metal Fight Beyblade Explosion. They can do stuff like have cool battles on the Great Wall of China and have more darker characters like with Toby, but I wouldn't get Universal level. Though I did like 4D, it just wouldn't be my first choice.