(May. 13, 2021  5:19 PM)Orbit Wrote: Why many people are saying about character growth is true. Almost every major character either has character development or is used to develop others. Gingka is just the main character, though the main plot development he has is when he tries to gain more power by returning to the village and after his dad too away his bey pointer. Kenta also develops as time goes on, but a specific moment where he does more would Ben with Benkei when he’s trying to beat Hikaru. Benkei develops in that moment too, and also when Kyoya leaves. Kyoya just starts out as a mini Villain but turns into a kind of anti hero after Gingka helps him. Tsubasa doesn’t have Much character growth over the show, instead he is a mysterious figure who shows his true personablity and motivations later on. Yu grows as a character when he realizes he’s on the side of things.

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These are all just examples from metal fusion, not even the greater metal fight

(May. 13, 2021  5:43 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:35 PM)Admiral W Wrote: What are you trying to get across then?

I'll just quote myself

So my point is: Burst character are stereotypical, and boring. They need to experiment with more character types like they used too, cause now it's just super small simple stuff like jerk becomes friendly, rather than some interesting and unique stuff, like a Brooklyn.  In comparison, Metal Fight and Bakuten Shoot have characters that just feel more human. They go through stuff, they feel things, you can relate to them. It's a lot more than what Burst does. Even Bell seems to be having a jerk becomes friendly arc, which is just great.

(May. 13, 2021  5:44 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  3:29 PM)Admiral W Wrote: What growth was there in Fusion, how were the characters different on a personal level by the end then they were in the beginning? None really. And the only real definite character arcs in Fury, were with Kenta and Ryuga.

Valt, Ken, Daigo, Shu, Wakiya, Silas, Free, they all had definite character arcs where we got to see how on a personal level they changed as individuals. And there's even more when you look at the mini arcs some of the side characters like Naoki and Rixon underwent. 

Valt struggles with self doubt throughout much of season 1 and finally comes to a place where he has confidence in his abilities as a blader and has learned not to let the negative opinions others have of him to stop him from moving forward, we also see him struggle with finding his own path forward instead of imitating how others view what it takes to be a better blader, and this isn't even counting all the ways he grew as a blader.

Ken struggles very much with being isolated, and very closed in, very shy, but after meeting Valt and the others he opens up little by little across the season and by the end, he's come to be very close to all the bey club members, and when he returns at the national tournament, he's has such a new confidence about him, he's no longer the same shy person he was at the beginning.

I made a whole post about Silas' character arc and how he started out as a person concerned only with his own prestige and status and was always looking for a place to belong which is why he bounced around to different bey clubs. By the end of the world league though he's come to acutally care and rely on the members of BC Sol, and he actually wants to win not for his own prestige, but he wants to win for the team, and to live up to the trust they've placed in him. He's no longer the self centered person he was at the beginning. At the international bladers cup he even tells Kris that he wants to make BC Sol a household name, demonstrating again that he isn't thinking just about himself anymore. And after all that wondering he did before he joined the team, he has finally found a place to belong.

I could go on and on about how those characters changed on a personal level, they had definite arcs. I could go even more indepth on the other characters but this post would be even longer than it is. We don't see much of this kind of personal character growth through definite arcs in MFB.

I already mentioned Kenta and Ryuga and that was only in Fury. Kyoya didn't necessarily learn to work together, he was forced to, and even towards the end he was still simply concerned with getting his revenge on Aguma. He worked with the others at the end because he had no choice due to the fate of the world being at stake. Chris had a mini arc that's comparable with some of the mini arcs some burst side characters had.

All in all when it comes to growth through definite character arcs, Burst has done more, and the arcs they've done have been far more meaningful and relatable.

Burst only had character develoment in S1 and S2. Ask 6Jupiter5 and Instarez.

Metal Fusion had a little less than decent character development.

Kenta had many arcs of his own, learning strength, determination, and perservance. He trained harder than even Gingka. A true rival. He gained immense power through hard work. He kept on standing up, persauding Ryuga to forgo his pride.

Gingka. Gingka learned friendship, hardwork and determination. He never gave up, stood up, and fought. He had many good arcs.

Ryuga. Ryuga forgo his pride and helped the world. He turned on Doji, being manipulated by him. He gained control of the dark power. He, in the end, saved the MFB World. His L-Drago and him gave many hints to gingka which helped him achieve top-notch strength.

Kyoya. Kyoya learned how to teamwork. He used to be full of pride, but in Metal Fury, he in the end saved the world by siding with Gingka. He had many cool arcs and development stats.

Masuname. Masuname had in fact three arcs. He learned to get stronger, determination, and will strength.


Burst had excelllent character development in S1 and S2 but the other seasons's character development was downright stupid.


Let's agree to disagree. You like Burst and think it has better character development, and I think otherwise.

If you want to argue more, I will post a whole essay here why MFB has better character development.

(May. 13, 2021  5:53 PM)ZionandBirddo Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:43 PM)Instarez Wrote: I'll just quote myself

So my point is: Burst character are stereotypical, and boring. They need to experiment with more character types like they used too, cause now it's just super small simple stuff like jerk becomes friendly, rather than some interesting and unique stuff, like a Brooklyn.  In comparison, Metal Fight and Bakuten Shoot have characters that just feel more human. They go through stuff, they feel things, you can relate to them. It's a lot more than what Burst does. Even Bell seems to be having a jerk becomes friendly arc, which is just great.

I feel as if you are over simplifying the burst arcs to belittle them, I mean everyone can have their own opinions but you could simplify any character arc to make it look bad like you could make Kai's arc a jerk becomes less of a jerk story, but we all know it's more than that, like if I explained Valt's story as he learns to believe in himself and overcome the disbelief of others and become a better person becoming the greatest blader of all time it makes it seem amazing compared to what you said. My point anything can sound bad if you simplify it.

(May. 13, 2021  5:48 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:05 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I don't agree. Honestly you missed a lot of details with regards to Burst. Those first two seasons really took the characters on relatable arcs. I made a post on the previous page detailing some of the arcs of a few of the Burst characters. So you can look at that for a more indepth dive. Just to give one example here, Daigo's arc is one plenty can relate to. His desire to improve in the face of Valt's growing skill led him to cheat and afterward he struggled with the choice he made. Plenty of people can relate to making a serious mistake and struggling with the regret, the guilt of what you've done, your mind constantly reminding you of the error you made. The show very nicely illustrated his struggle, with the constant flashbacks of that choice. In the end he resolves to never repeat that mistake. To never betray himself that way again. I like how they touched on this later in season when he told Jin that its not about getting caught, it about being able to look yourself in the mirror. This is just one example. Those first two seasons are full of great, meanigful, relatable character arcs stuff we didn't we didn't really see much of in Metal Fight. I can't speak to OG since I haven't seen it.

He did not. Daigo's arc was boring.  Yes, and that arc was good. I gotta give you that. If I compare MFB to burst, MFB had at least decent growth in every season, unlike Burst.

(May. 13, 2021  5:55 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:44 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: Burst only had character develoment in S1 and S2. Ask 6Jupiter5 and Instarez.

Metal Fusion had a little less than decent character development.

Kenta had many arcs of his own, learning strength, determination, and perservance. He trained harder than even Gingka. A true rival. He gained immense power through hard work. He kept on standing up, persauding Ryuga to forgo his pride.

Gingka. Gingka learned friendship, hardwork and determination. He never gave up, stood up, and fought. He had many good arcs.

Ryuga. Ryuga forgo his pride and helped the world. He turned on Doji, being manipulated by him. He gained control of the dark power. He, in the end, saved the MFB World. His L-Drago and him gave many hints to gingka which helped him achieve top-notch strength.

Kyoya. Kyoya learned how to teamwork. He used to be full of pride, but in Metal Fury, he in the end saved the world by siding with Gingka. He had many cool arcs and development stats.

Masuname. Masuname had in fact three arcs. He learned to get stronger, determination, and will strength.


Burst had excelllent character development in S1 and S2 but the other seasons's character development was downright stupid.


Let's agree to disagree. You like Burst and think it has better character development, and I think otherwise.

If you want to argue more, I will post a whole essay here why MFB has better character development.

Kenta and perhaps Masamune and Ryuga to an extent were the only ones of that list that really grew as people and Masamune was always determined, we saw that in his introductory episode so nothing about that particular aspect of him changed. Gingka was the same at the end that he was at the beginning. He was always powerful and hardworking. So nothing about those aspects of him changed either, thus that's not a character arc.

I already mentioned this in the earlier post, but Kyoya didn't really have an arc. He had no choice, but to work with the others given that he was face to face with a world ending disaster. If he didn't help, he'd end up dead. He was forced to work with them. By the end he was still fill of pride. That aspect of him also didn't change. Kyoya was the same at the end.

(May. 13, 2021  5:56 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:48 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: He did not. Daigo's arc was boring.  Yes, and that arc was good. I gotta give you that. If I compare MFB to burst, MFB had at least decent growth in every season, unlike Burst.

Again that isn't the case though. Daigo had an excellent arc. We actually got to see him struggle with the guilt over what he had done.

(May. 13, 2021  5:55 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:44 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: Burst only had character develoment in S1 and S2. Ask 6Jupiter5 and Instarez.

Metal Fusion had a little less than decent character development.

Kenta had many arcs of his own, learning strength, determination, and perservance. He trained harder than even Gingka. A true rival. He gained immense power through hard work. He kept on standing up, persauding Ryuga to forgo his pride.

Gingka. Gingka learned friendship, hardwork and determination. He never gave up, stood up, and fought. He had many good arcs.

Ryuga. Ryuga forgo his pride and helped the world. He turned on Doji, being manipulated by him. He gained control of the dark power. He, in the end, saved the MFB World. His L-Drago and him gave many hints to gingka which helped him achieve top-notch strength.

Kyoya. Kyoya learned how to teamwork. He used to be full of pride, but in Metal Fury, he in the end saved the world by siding with Gingka. He had many cool arcs and development stats.

Masuname. Masuname had in fact three arcs. He learned to get stronger, determination, and will strength.


Burst had excelllent character development in S1 and S2 but the other seasons's character development was downright stupid.


Let's agree to disagree. You like Burst and think it has better character development, and I think otherwise.

If you want to argue more, I will post a whole essay here why MFB has better character development.

Kenta and perhaps Masamune and Ryuga to an extent were the only ones of that list that really grew as people and Masamune was always determined, we saw that in his introductory episode so nothing about that particular aspect of him changed. Gingka was the same at the end that he was at the beginning. He was always powerful and hardworking. So nothing about those aspects of him changed either, thus that's not a character arc.

I already mentioned this in the earlier post, but Kyoya didn't really have an arc. He had no choice, but to work with the others given that he was face to face with a world ending disaster. If he didn't help, he'd end up dead. He was forced to work with them. By the end he was still fill of pride. That aspect of him also didn't change. Kyoya was the same at the end.

(May. 13, 2021  5:59 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:56 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Again that isn't the case though. Daigo had an excellent arc. We actually got to see him struggle with the guilt over what he had done.

I have a different opinion. No drama. No interesting comebacks. Battle was pretty worn-out and same old thing.

(May. 13, 2021  5:50 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:19 PM)Orbit Wrote: Why many people are saying about character growth is true. Almost every major character either has character development or is used to develop others. Gingka is just the main character, though the main plot development he has is when he tries to gain more power by returning to the village and after his dad too away his bey pointer. Kenta also develops as time goes on, but a specific moment where he does more would Ben with Benkei when he’s trying to beat Hikaru. Benkei develops in that moment too, and also when Kyoya leaves. Kyoya just starts out as a mini Villain but turns into a kind of anti hero after Gingka helps him. Tsubasa doesn’t have Much character growth over the show, instead he is a mysterious figure who shows his true personablity and motivations later on. Yu grows as a character when he realizes he’s on the side of things.

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These are all just examples from metal fusion, not even the greater metal fight

Yes. For those who said "mEtaL fUsIoN had no character dveelopment."

Tsubasa has a few arcs in Metal Masters and Metal Fury, which had good development. tsubasa was a amazing character

(May. 13, 2021  6:01 PM)PinkRose Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:59 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I have a different opinion. No drama. No interesting comebacks. Battle was pretty worn-out and same old thing.

Okay, Imma come back and clear this up.
We're not talking about Daina VS Yugo, we're talking about the aftermath of Daina cheating in that match, how his guilt over it was dragging him down and the way it affected him.

(May. 13, 2021  5:49 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:46 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: That's cap. I think otherwise. Ryuga, Kenta, Gingka, Kyoya, Aguma, King, Masuname, etc a lot of characters. if you want that, I will literally post a whole five paragraph essay why after school and if I get free.

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I completely agree with you. here. A better five paragprah essay.

Bro for real they are capping, like that's genuinely just false. Metal Fight has lots of characters that go through arcs an development, not just Kenta. Like that's provably false.

(May. 13, 2021  6:06 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:49 PM)Instarez Wrote: Bro for real they are capping, like that's genuinely just false. Metal Fight has lots of characters that go through arcs an development, not just Kenta. Like that's provably false.

I agree Burst has character development but I got pissed off when I read "Burst outclasses MFB in Character Development".

(May. 13, 2021  6:05 PM)PinkRose Wrote: And no, for that last point you made. Gingka's development, nice as it may be, is nothing too special, and as for Ryuga...I'll admit this might be a bit biased but his development is nothing special either. He just got off that high horse of his and became a better person, and while that's cool, it's nothing too legendary or anything. This is an issue that exists with most characters that are established as very powerful from the beggining; usually all their development boils down to them letting go of their ego for the greater good, and Ryuga's no exception.

(May. 13, 2021  6:06 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:49 PM)Instarez Wrote: Bro for real they are capping, like that's genuinely just false. Metal Fight has lots of characters that go through arcs an development, not just Kenta. Like that's provably false.

I agree Burst has character development but I got pissed off when I read "Burst outclasses MFB in Character Development".

(May. 13, 2021  6:05 PM)PinkRose Wrote: And for that last point you made, no. Gingka's development, nice as it may be, is nothing too special, and as for Ryuga...I'll admit this might be a bit biased but his development is nothing too special either. He just gets off that high horse of his and becomes a better person, and while that's cool, it's not legendary or anything. This is an issue that exists with most characters that are established as very powerful from the beggining; usually all their development boils down to them letting go of their ego for the greater good, and Ryuga's no exception.

(May. 13, 2021  5:48 PM)Instarez Wrote:

(May. 13, 2021  5:45 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I read that, but what I'm trying to point out to is that acutally not the case. Which is why I mentioned that you missed a lot of details with regards to Burst.

Ok, real like struggles. 1, isolation. Burst have good portrayal of it? Nah. 2, pride. Burst have a good portrayal of it? Nah? 3, self doubt? Burst have a good portrayal? nah.