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RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Ryuga's Son - May. 11, 2021

(May. 11, 2021  5:15 PM)Strikegamerv6 Wrote:
(May. 11, 2021  5:10 PM)Ryuga's Son Wrote: Strongest Bladers in Burst:

1. Valt
2. Lane
3. Shu
4. Aiger
5. Free
6. Lui
7. Dante
8. Phi
9. Gywn
10. Delta

Feel free to prove me wrong or correct me.

Feel like Dante should be ranked higher than Lui

why
(May. 11, 2021  6:07 PM)PinkRose Wrote: I for one won't, cuz we already had this discussion a bajillion times and it always devolves into an argument.

Let's do a polite and civil debate.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - UnseenBurst - May. 11, 2021

(May. 11, 2021  6:07 PM)Ryuga's Son Wrote:
(May. 11, 2021  5:15 PM)Strikegamerv6 Wrote: Feel like Dante should be ranked higher than Lui

why
(May. 11, 2021  6:07 PM)PinkRose Wrote: I for one won't, cuz we already had this discussion a bajillion times and it always devolves into an argument.

Let's do a polite and civil debate.

K I think Dante Should be rated higher because I feel like he could beat Lui because he has shown tremendous growth during rise so I'm pretty sure he can work his way around Lui

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - BurningSands - May. 11, 2021

Maybe Im pretty much a boring person to discuss with (/lh), but see, this is why I kinda stopped bothering with rankings. In general, I find rankings a little too subjective to discuss about and people have opinions on everything. And regarding the Beyblade anime, its just even more heated and repetitive. It just comes naturally within Beyblade anime discussion spaces for ranking stuff to turn into arguments

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - UnseenBurst - May. 11, 2021

(May. 11, 2021  6:16 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Maybe Im pretty much a boring person to discuss with (/lh), but see, this is why I kinda stopped bothering with rankings. In general, I find rankings a little too subjective to discuss about and people have opinions on everything. And regarding the Beyblade anime, its just even more heated and repetitive. It just comes naturally within Beyblade anime discussion spaces for ranking stuff to turn into arguments

I'm not trying to argue I'm just saying if you don't agree with me that fine

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - PinkRose - May. 11, 2021

Pretty much, yeah. Rankings and power levels are subjective to personal opinions and preferences, and there's bound to be a difference in those between one fan and another. That's why I just keep saying to stick to canon rankings, because those are technically the only ones that are 'correct'.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Pixi - May. 11, 2021

(May. 11, 2021  6:07 PM)PinkRose Wrote: I for one won't, cuz we already had this discussion a bajillion times and it always devolves into an argument.

wbo users trying to start the same argument for the 100000000000000000 time:

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Ryuga's Son - May. 11, 2021

(May. 11, 2021  6:23 PM)Pixi Wrote:
(May. 11, 2021  6:07 PM)PinkRose Wrote: I for one won't, cuz we already had this discussion a bajillion times and it always devolves into an argument.

wbo users trying to start the same argument for the 100000000000000000 time:

I'm trying to have fun debating, not arguing. If you guys think it's a argument which is not civilized, that's your problem

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - UnseenBurst - May. 11, 2021

(May. 11, 2021  10:33 PM)Ryuga's Son Wrote:
(May. 11, 2021  6:23 PM)Pixi Wrote: wbo users trying to start the same argument for the 100000000000000000 time:

I'm trying to have fun debating, not arguing. If you guys think it's a argument which is not civilized, that's your problem

Usually debates turn into arguments on WBO

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - BurningSands - May. 12, 2021

Something Ive been meaning to say for awhile:

Maybe its due to the Beyblade series being less dark than other series Im familiar with, but Im quite glad that there arent a lot of fans who sympathize with Beyblade villains and evil organizations (or that theyre just quiet). Maybe its because of how anvilicious the anime could be, with stuff like “destroying the world is bad lol!” and “turning to the dark side for power is also bad lol!” being the constant lesson. For other stuff I enjoyed, my enjoyment for them would be ruined by fans trying to defend the obviously-bad villains and whatnot. Or the series want you to side up with someone who purposefully tried to destroy the world. As cheesy and constant the anime aesops are, Im just relieved that theres no reason for the Beyblade anime fandom to have villain sympathizers

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - PinkRose - May. 12, 2021

Heh, that would've been one big dilemma for me if it ever happened ,cuz I'm the type of person who can forget everything the character did wrong jsut because they have a good motive and/or are relatable enough and end up sympathizing with them no matter where they stand in the story.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Orbit - May. 12, 2021

I miss the days where the stakes were that if the protagonist lost this one specific toy battle a dragon toy that is cursed with the greed of the human race would consume the life force of anyone who it beats. Good times.
Also the evil version of the sun or whatever
Also nukes powered by toys
Late 2000’s/Early 2010’s were a crazy time

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - BurningSands - May. 12, 2021

I mildly feel you, if Im comprehending correctly, that is. I personally felt like the Beyblade anime wouldve been a lot more unique in a way that spinning tops were a huge norm in-universe. Stuff like nukes powered by toys as mentioned before and the lore I remembered, such as Moses parting the ocean with a Beyblade. As ridiculous as it seems in our real-world universe, it wouldve been interesting to see a world where Beyblade influenced many aspects of life. I wished the Burst anime continued to uphold that Beyblade influence from the previous incarnations. Its pretty intriguing to see a world that primarily runs on Beyblade

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Orbit - May. 12, 2021

(May. 12, 2021  4:12 AM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: I mildly feel you, if Im comprehending correctly, that is. I personally felt like the Beyblade anime wouldve been a lot more unique in a way that spinning tops were a huge norm in-universe. Stuff like nukes powered by toys as mentioned before and the lore I remembered, such as Moses parting the ocean with a Beyblade. As ridiculous as it seems in our real-world universe, it wouldve been interesting to see a world where Beyblade influenced many aspects of life. I wished the Burst anime continued to uphold that Beyblade influence from the previous incarnations. Its pretty intriguing to see a world that primarily runs on Beyblade

Exactly! In Burst beyblade is just a sport. In metal fight the “god” of destruction manifested itself as a beyblade. Lol
Metal fight and Yu-Gi-Oh were interesting for a reason, and that reason is because of how absurd it was

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Ryuga's Son - May. 12, 2021

(May. 12, 2021  4:22 AM)Orbit Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  4:12 AM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: I mildly feel you, if Im comprehending correctly, that is. I personally felt like the Beyblade anime wouldve been a lot more unique in a way that spinning tops were a huge norm in-universe. Stuff like nukes powered by toys as mentioned before and the lore I remembered, such as Moses parting the ocean with a Beyblade. As ridiculous as it seems in our real-world universe, it wouldve been interesting to see a world where Beyblade influenced many aspects of life. I wished the Burst anime continued to uphold that Beyblade influence from the previous incarnations. Its pretty intriguing to see a world that primarily runs on Beyblade

Exactly! In Burst beyblade is just a sport. In metal fight the “god” of destruction manifested itself as a beyblade. Lol
Metal fight and Yu-Gi-Oh were interesting for a reason, and that reason is because of how absurd it was

I wouldn't say it was absurd. It was cool and interesting. Absurd is not the correct implication.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Orbit - May. 12, 2021

(May. 12, 2021  2:18 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  4:22 AM)Orbit Wrote: Exactly! In Burst beyblade is just a sport. In metal fight the “god” of destruction manifested itself as a beyblade. Lol
Metal fight and Yu-Gi-Oh were interesting for a reason, and that reason is because of how absurd it was

I wouldn't say it was absurd. It was cool and interesting. Absurd is not the correct implication.

The shows themselves weren't absurd, but the things in them. The core of both shows are literal toys, and the animes rope the toys in with "god" lol. I agree that it was cool and interesting.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - PinkRose - May. 12, 2021

(May. 12, 2021  8:07 PM)Orbit Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  2:18 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I wouldn't say it was absurd. It was cool and interesting. Absurd is not the correct implication.

The shows themselves weren't absurd, but the things in them. The core of both shows are literal toys, and the animes rope the toys in with "god" lol. I agree that it was cool and interesting.

Yeah. The fantasy element makes for amazing stories when done right and when the other elements are just as good. Which is why I think MFB fell short compared to other fantasy shounens like the example we're using here AKA YuGiOh; as cool as the Bey powers and fantasy were, the story and characters didn't really hook me to it that much.
Now let's see if someone takes this the wrong way and starts an argument XD

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Ryuga's Son - May. 13, 2021

(May. 12, 2021  8:07 PM)Orbit Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  2:18 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I wouldn't say it was absurd. It was cool and interesting. Absurd is not the correct implication.

The shows themselves weren't absurd, but the things in them. The core of both shows are literal toys, and the animes rope the toys in with "god" lol. I agree that it was cool and interesting.

Some things were WAY too supernatural, but they were interesting, better characters development than Burst, and a lot of other stuff.
(May. 12, 2021  10:34 PM)PinkRose Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  8:07 PM)Orbit Wrote: The shows themselves weren't absurd, but the things in them. The core of both shows are literal toys, and the animes rope the toys in with "god" lol. I agree that it was cool and interesting.

Yeah. The fantasy element makes for amazing stories when done right and when the other elements are just as good. Which is why I think MFB fell short compared to other fantasy shounens like the example we're using here AKA YuGiOh; as cool as the Bey powers and fantasy were, the story and characters didn't really hook me to it that much.
Now let's see if someone takes this the wrong way and starts an argument XD

Yes that ok. People get hooked up to different things. I got hooked up by MFB.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Instarez - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  12:19 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  8:07 PM)Orbit Wrote: The shows themselves weren't absurd, but the things in them. The core of both shows are literal toys, and the animes rope the toys in with "god" lol. I agree that it was cool and interesting.

Some things were WAY too supernatural, but they were interesting, better characters development than Burst, and a lot of other stuff.
(May. 12, 2021  10:34 PM)PinkRose Wrote: Yeah. The fantasy element makes for amazing stories when done right and when the other elements are just as good. Which is why I think MFB fell short compared to other fantasy shounens like the example we're using here AKA YuGiOh; as cool as the Bey powers and fantasy were, the story and characters didn't really hook me to it that much.
Now let's see if someone takes this the wrong way and starts an argument XD

Yes that ok. People get hooked up to different things. I got hooked up by MFB.

I can definitely agree. Lots of burst characters don't get much development. In Burst some people just get the bare minimum, in God they only got fleshed out, everything after that had pretty much no development.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  12:19 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:
(May. 12, 2021  8:07 PM)Orbit Wrote: The shows themselves weren't absurd, but the things in them. The core of both shows are literal toys, and the animes rope the toys in with "god" lol. I agree that it was cool and interesting.

Some things were WAY too supernatural, but they were interesting, better characters development than Burst, and a lot of other stuff.

On the point about character development I would disagree. When it comes to character growth through definite character arcs, I'd say Burst has MFB beat in that regard. Most substantially in Burst season 1&2 and season 4 to a degree.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Ryuga's Son - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  2:39 PM)Admiral W Wrote:
(May. 13, 2021  12:19 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: Some things were WAY too supernatural, but they were interesting, better characters development than Burst, and a lot of other stuff.

On the point about character development I would disagree. When it comes to character growth through definite character arcs, I'd say Burst has MFB beat in that regard. Most substantially in Burst season 1&2.

ONLY s1 and s2. Let's calculate. 2/5= 40 percent. MFB= 3/3= 100%. MFB had Kenta, Gingka, Masuname, Ryuga, Aguma, Chris, Dynamis, I could name more. Burst had only handful of characters who developed.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  3:00 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:
(May. 13, 2021  2:39 PM)Admiral W Wrote: On the point about character development I would disagree. When it comes to character growth through definite character arcs, I'd say Burst has MFB beat in that regard. Most substantially in Burst season 1&2.

ONLY s1 and s2. Let's calculate. 2/5= 40 percent. MFB= 3/3= 100%. MFB had Kenta, Gingka, Masuname, Ryuga, Aguma, Chris, Dynamis, I could name more.  Burst had only handful of characters who developed.
What I think you've got confused is that the only real growth that took place in MFB was in Masters and we saw a little with Ryuga and Kenta in Fury. Most of those characters you mentioned didn't have any definite character arcs. In Burst S 1&2 all of the mains and many of the side characters grew through definite character arcs. Even some minor characters got some mini arcs in both season 1 and 2. Even season 4 gave us some characters arcs mostly with Dante, Delta and Gwyn.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Ryuga's Son - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  3:09 PM)Admiral W Wrote:
(May. 13, 2021  3:00 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: ONLY s1 and s2. Let's calculate. 2/5= 40 percent. MFB= 3/3= 100%. MFB had Kenta, Gingka, Masuname, Ryuga, Aguma, Chris, Dynamis, I could name more.  Burst had only handful of characters who developed.
But what I think you've got confused is that the only real growth that took place in MFB was in Masters and we saw a little with Ryuga and Kenta in Fury. Most of those characters you mentioned didn't have any definite character arcs.

Yes they did. Fusion there was decent growth, Masters had expert growth, and Fury had God-Level Growth. A LITTLE?! A LITTLE?! Kenta, being the weakest blader, grows up to be a Legendary Blader! Ryuga, puts down his pride, saves the World. Kyoya, learns, to work together. Chris learns his mistake in siding with Nemesis beforehand. What about Burst? Same old thing. Get defeated, train, defeat the person who defeated you.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  3:12 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:
(May. 13, 2021  3:09 PM)Admiral W Wrote: But what I think you've got confused is that the only real growth that took place in MFB was in Masters and we saw a little with Ryuga and Kenta in Fury. Most of those characters you mentioned didn't have any definite character arcs.

Yes they did. Fusion there was decent growth, Masters had expert growth, and Fury had God-Level Growth. A LITTLE?! A LITTLE?! Kenta, being the weakest blader, grows up to be a Legendary Blader! Ryuga, puts down his pride, saves the World. Kyoya, learns, to work together. Chris learns his mistake in siding with Nemesis beforehand. What about Burst? Same old thing. Get defeated, train, defeat the person who defeated you.

What growth was there in Fusion, how were the characters different on a personal level by the end then they were in the beginning? None really. And the only real definite character arcs in Fury, were with Kenta and Ryuga.

Valt, Ken, Daigo, Shu, Wakiya, Silas, Free, they all had definite character arcs where we got to see how on a personal level they changed as individuals. And there's even more when you look at the mini arcs some of the side characters like Naoki and Rixon underwent. 

Valt struggles with self doubt throughout much of season 1 and finally comes to a place where he has confidence in his abilities as a blader and has learned not to let the negative opinions others have of him to stop him from moving forward, we also see him struggle with finding his own path forward instead of imitating how others view what it takes to be a better blader, and this isn't even counting all the ways he grew as a blader.

Ken struggles very much with being isolated, and very closed in, very shy, but after meeting Valt and the others he opens up little by little across the season and by the end, he's come to be very close to all the bey club members, and when he returns at the national tournament, he's has such a new confidence about him, he's no longer the same shy person he was at the beginning.

I made a whole post about Silas' character arc and how he started out as a person concerned only with his own prestige and status and was always looking for a place to belong which is why he bounced around to different bey clubs. By the end of the world league though he's come to acutally care and rely on the members of BC Sol, and he actually wants to win not for his own prestige, but he wants to win for the team, and to live up to the trust they've placed in him. He's no longer the self centered person he was at the beginning. At the international bladers cup he even tells Kris that he wants to make BC Sol a household name, demonstrating again that he isn't thinking just about himself anymore. And after all that wondering he did before he joined the team, he has finally found a place to belong.

I could go on and on about how those characters changed on a personal level, they had definite arcs. I could go even more indepth on the other characters but this post would be even longer than it is. We don't see much of this kind of personal character growth through definite arcs in MFB.

I already mentioned Kenta and Ryuga and that was only in Fury. Kyoya didn't necessarily learn to work together, he was forced to, and even towards the end he was still simply concerned with getting his revenge on Aguma. He worked with the others at the end because he had no choice due to the fate of the world being at stake. Chris had a mini arc that's comparable with some of the mini arcs some burst side characters had.

All in all when it comes to growth through definite character arcs, Burst has done more, and the arcs they've done have been far more meaningful and relatable.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - PinkRose - May. 13, 2021

(May. 13, 2021  3:00 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:
(May. 13, 2021  2:39 PM)Admiral W Wrote: On the point about character development I would disagree. When it comes to character growth through definite character arcs, I'd say Burst has MFB beat in that regard. Most substantially in Burst season 1&2.

ONLY s1 and s2. Let's calculate. 2/5= 40 percent. MFB= 3/3= 100%. MFB had Kenta, Gingka, Masuname, Ryuga, Aguma, Chris, Dynamis, I could name more.  Burst had only handful of characters who developed.

Burst=40%? MFB=100%? What?
The only characters that actually get decent development in all of MFB from what I remember were Kenta (this one's the most memorable probably), Kyoya (he's pretty much the same as Sisco but I'd say the latter is better) and you could say Ryuga and Gingka (these two are kinda debatable tho), and even outside these their character development just doesn't match Burst's.
Admiral W already mentioned a plethora of characters that went through meaningful and relatable character development, and there's even more (Lui, Fubuki, Amane, Hikaru even tho he got rushed...heck even Aiga). Point is, if there's one thing Burst outclasses MFB in, it's character development.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Instarez - May. 13, 2021

Alright, here's my opinions.
Season 1:
Valt- small arc
Shu- nothing
Ken- small growth
Daina - small growth
Wakiya - small growth
Lui - small growth

Season 2:
Valt - small growth
Shu- character arc
Silas - small growth
Free - small growth

Season 3
Aiga - garbage arc
Fubuki - small growth
Ranjiro - small growth

Season 4
Delta - small growth
Fumiya- small growth
Blindt - small growth
Gwyn - small arc

Season 5
Lane - small arc

There isn't much character arcs. There's some growth, but it's pretty bare bones stuff. Ken makes friends, Daina and Wakiya aren't jerks, Lui gets less cold, and Valt hast hat one arc in the start where he believes in Valkyrie or whatever. Valt gets some small growth. Shu did get an actual arc though, that was nice. Silas and free just learned to not only care about themselves. Just really small changes. Aiga's arc was trash. Fubuki made some friends, and Ranjiro was less of a jerk. That's about it. Delta and Fumiya stopped being mean. Blindt barely had one, idk what was  going up with this dude. He didn't really change as a person, he just temporarily worked with the bad guys for no reason and then stopped for no reason. Gwyn had a small arc which was just him making friends.

As you can see. Beyblade really isn't the pinnacle of amazing characters. They could still certainty tackle more stuff though, for example: Brooklyn. Brooklyn was really good at everything, and therefore people were jealous, or thought he always thought of others and less than him. He was isolated from everyone and then grew cold. That's a pretty good backstory. What about Phi? Well, Phi didn't get the bey he wanted.... ok, Gwyn? He couldn't make friends. Shu? He just worked hard but couldn't get anywhere. In comparison to Brooklyn, those guys are a lot more stale.

Now let's look at Kenta. Kenta went on a journey of self discovery (literally), and learned to believe in himself. Free and Silas? They just didn't care about anyone else until they realized everyone else was nice and that they should care about them. Fubuki? Honestly he arguably didn't have any growth. He already had friends and wasn't mean or anything. Ranjiro, was just kind of mean until he wasn't.

Now for our heroes! Gingka is pretty unique. He was a blading prodigy, and could do anything on his own, therefore he wasn't  used to working with others. However when forces rose that were better than him, he was kind of shook. He tried to search for an answer, a why. But in reality, all he needed was to work with his friends. In doing so he became a better person. Valt? In Burst he was just mad until he learned to believe in his bey. In God he had to pull the team together that's it. Aiga … we don't talk about Aiga. Drum, he didn't really have any development. He met new people and made friends. Hyuga and Hikaru had 0 development.

So my point is: Burst character are stereotypical, and boring. They need to experiment with more character types like they used too, cause now it's just super small simple stuff like jerk becomes friendly, rather than some interesting and unique stuff, like a Brooklyn.  In comparison, Metal Fight and Bakuten Shoot have characters that just feel more human. They go through stuff, they feel things, you can relate to them. It's a lot more than what Burst does. Even Bell seems to be having a jerk becomes friendly arc, which is just great.